Topic: "Learn Bitcoin" is silent when farmed account queries are raised (Read 1448 times)

I still don't understand why BMs from a particular community are defending LB. I saw him continuously degrading and upcoming casino which is part of a signature campaign being promoted by icopress.

I only asked him to reply to this thread and yet he ignored my reply.

When I questioned him as to why not he is replying on this thread. He suddenly stopped the argument and came with this reply after an reply was made from the official account.


It shows he is part of a campaign which deals in finding issues to degrade an upcoming casino. If someone check the replies by this individual on that thread they will understand the issue.

The big issue around here is that why he is not replying on this thread. It is evident that this is a user whose is a chronic liar is now using a new username. Another observation  from my side is that he always gets selected in those campaigns from two BMs who are now being questioned on this thread. Looks like it is a big conspiracy happening here where clients are getting fooled because none of us can identify alts which are using different wallet address.

Surprised!
I used to know examplens as a respected forum member.

If the accusation was made against me by a senior and/or respected account, I would be inclined to post at least once but other than that I would not bother entertaining the attention seekers especially if they were on my ignore list or clearly had a personal vendetta against me. In this particular case, your observation over the years is correct, it does imply what you concluded.

Since you mentioned it, I would add along with the rage quitters there are those that come along to defend various comments and/or allegations before going out calling the forum unfair promising never to return (however they have other accounts to keep them busy). As the saying goes and has been mentioned in the forum many times before: where there is money to be made

I am extremely confident naim027 is operating several accounts here, hopefully names will be posted in due course. The fact he is employed by at least one campaign manager to check spreadsheets and be his sidekick shows there could be far more to the suggestion he is aware of the farmed accounts enrolled in campaigns he manages. If that is the case, those companies are paying the wrong campaign manager as there could something more sinister going on.

As for conclusive evidence, several members have mentioned in public and PMs that naim027 is getting better at trying to ensure there is no link between his farmed accounts but there are giveaway signs from time to time that clued up members would accept whereas others would want something more substantial.

Learn Bitcoin made it clear he would avoid engaging and even in those PMs there were elements of naim027. Having said that, I was not the only member that suspected him for quite some time but giving frivolous reasons for not wanting to engage is pointless all the while continuing to post in order to meet his campaign quota to collect his pay.

You attributed that quote to me when I did not make it, yahoo62278 posted it in a different thread, I just reposted it  
 
I agree. My posts in the thread demonstrate exactly what you pointed to. From time to time we all have forgotten names, posts and threads we have seen or have posted in or have even mixed them up and made errors recalling situations. He has been around here a long, he definitely is not a bad guy and I hope he will be around for many years to come.

Due to some communication with Learn Bitcoin, I added him to my trust list, and so, although I don't like investigating alt accounts, I tried to follow this topic. What I noticed is that the discussion went to several other accounts, but LB is the least mentioned.

@The Sceptical Chymist, considering that I respect your opinion as neutral, how would you understand the conclusions from here that Learn Bitcoin and LittleMouse are connected as alt accounts with the topic that LB started some time ago Little Mouse is out of contact?
Someone can say that this is staged, but to me, it seems too complex, in purpose to clarify the nature of the connection between these two accounts.

Not responding to an accusation (and getting a lawyer) might be prudent when you're dealing with the police, we're not talking about the judicial system here.  It's been my observation over the years that if someone is called out in a thread--and assuming the accused is aware of the thread--a non-response usually does imply guilt.  The same goes for an accused member showing up in a thread and then sort of rage-quitting, followed by a disappearing act.  I've seen that one a few times.

And Jesus, naim027 again?  I thought I'd seen the last of that username, but I guess if there's money to be made here even a disgraced member can't bear to permanently leave.  I haven't read the rest of this thread yet, but I bet by the time I'm done there will be decent evidence (or absolute proof) that Learn Bitcoin is indeed an alt of his.  Let much egg be on my face if I'm wrong.


OK, that's definitely not a good start.  Reputation is everything here, since we're all basically anonymous forum members to each other.  I know if I got accused of something serious in a thread, I'd be damned if I'd be silent.  I'm not sure if being an alt of naim027 is super serious, but if Learn Bitcoin leaves it unaddressed then that's what people are likely to believe, and that could tarnish his reputation unnecessarily.


Lol.  They've always been treated that way not because they're highly-paid CEOs or whatever but because of the enormous job they're expected to do.  There's so much shit to clean up on this forum that I can't imagine it's an easy task.

Anyway, may I also just request you all take it a little bit easier on yahoo62278?  He's been here roughly the same amount of time I have, and I can tell you that it's very easy to forget usernames and even harder to remember the details of their forum doings, especially as time goes on.  Sure, he could have done a search for naim027 before commenting....but just give him a little bit of a break, eh?  He's not the bad guy here.

I hope you don't mind using your post as the reference of the warning I have for other members especially low rank and less powerful members.

From memory, what I can conclude is that original creator of the Royse777 account and naim027 were not familiar with each other. Furthermore, I am confident naim027 probably has no idea about how the current operator of the Royse777 account managed to get control of it or who created/owned/operated it originally.

It has been ascertained by his own conduct that naim027 is a compulsive liar who would not hesitate to lie as much as he could in an attempt to deflect attention away from himself. Whatever he states or stated has to be taken in the lowest form of trustworthiness but one day when he and Royse777 fall out (over money), he might post to tell us a few things which some will believe and some will doubt. I believe one day he will post about their relationship because it probably goes beyond just naim027 checking spreadsheets for him.

I think you are harassing said member with your, "respond to the accusations or I will keep my feedback" he doesn't owe you any explanations, you don't have any proof about the accusation, your tag is unjustified.



I am interested in knowing what kind of privlage JollyGood has that other members don't.

Yes - If naim07 worked for the gambling casino icopress mentioned and royse (considering previous account owner hired the same person) then there is a good chance he knew well the previous owner of acc Royse (consider the account hacked/sold later on).

If
LittleMouse’s deal with naim027: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sell-bitcoin-in-bangladesh-buying-btc-for-bdt-bangladeshi-taka-98tk-per-usd-5251387

naim027 (scammer)- hired by royse
naim027 - traded with little mouse
Small rabbit (scammer)- protected by royse..

For some reason Royse has a soft spot for scammers and mammals from bangladesh.

Royse protects/speaks in favor of them, @Jollygood you’re actually correct with your statement , it’s most likely bangladesh brothership..

Royse promotes & becomes a part of scams, hires and protects scammers in public.



I am actually not in any campaign so there’s nothing financial for me to gain here, but i will se if I can track down the connections of these users plus royse’s account history before and after, when he employed naim, project worked, and so on… after finishing my existing work.

Once again Royse has proven himself to be a highly unstable individual that cannot see beyond his overinflated ego. I suppose it is to be expected from someone that employs a compulsive liar (such as naim027) as his sidekick to work on checking spreadsheets for his campaigns. If he does not hesitate to pay naim027 for his services then it explains many other things about him including his comments.

WTF, Many off topic here.. Any mod?

Are you seriously talking about morality? You, my dear friend, are... a pathological liar, a plagiarist who uses the work of other managers, a snitch who does not hesitate to throw users under the bus. You complain about someone contacting your clients, but you do it yourself on a regular basis.

Btw, about satisfied clients... you can continue to advertise your services in your clients' threads, and force users to subscribe to your social networks. Then I will probably receive more such messages.

You can't. You will still go through the text I wrote, you will read it but pretend you ignored it.

Exactly that's why I already told that
But your excuse was to be enlighten. isn't it?

Ignoring you and ignore button is not the same thing by the way. I can easily ignore anything you write without sending you to the ignore list with the ignore button. You are not that important for me. You can continue with unnecessary opinions that has nothing to do with you. I give you the entire topic including the entire forum for it. Please welcome.

Didn't get the suitable treatment you were looking for?, If not, please go ahead and use that ignore button. There will be zero effect on my health.
Plus, my quotes of you supporting scammers are not for you to judge, ignore it or accept it, it doesn't change the facts.

But in the future, please don't use the excuse that someone suggested you unignore me to reply to one of my posts.

| LittleMouse, Small Rabbit, and Hedehog1

Out of these 3 mammals, you're seen taking the side of the two, can be 3/3 given the chance, 3rd one grows in reputation. (Royse is free to ignore)


At least I have seen icopress deliver what he promise in business terms and I see him more competent than you in doing what he does, you're on this forum for business not to spread morals, there are communities doing that job, if it's your cup of tea then start doing it leaving your management job or as a hobby.

Btw you can use the word 'jealousy' instead of 'moral'

Edit: In my school time, I read gambling and drinking are morally wrong. I am sure you read that, too, but look at you managing those gambling projects, One of which scammed users testing their platform, another one ran. Talking about morals but not following them.

I was considering to ignore you just like JG in this thread but thankfully something which make sense and this is a good question indeed.

Is it secret that we campaign managers do communicate with each others every now and then? Yes, with only icopress I don't go along because I don't think his moral has any standard but with the rest, personally I have very close relation and we look after each others, say HI to each others, share little things with each others. We always have our agreements and disagreements but that do not effect our social relationships.

It's very simple, Little Mouse was not comfortable to involve himself with any legal thing because he is from a territory (so is that scammer Small Rabbit, although we were not 100% sure and it required more information) where crypto is not legal.

Am I twisting the Blockchain and Mammal comparison as well?, You don't even need logic to understand it.

Concerning your serious business on forum quote: You cannot use that as an excuse to protect scammers, I haven't had the time to look at BitLucy case but a brief gaze showed me a lot.
There's another with your management: Spiroll (I lost around 10$, a small amount testing out the app) anyways i don't expect anyone to return that amount, But I lost it to the project under your management | If you care so much about what data you release then you should also be taking the full responsibilities for the projects you manage here.


Ok, It's proven Rabbit scammed.
- You got the documents.
- You guided/threatened Small Rabbit to return the amount with statement, what rabbit is doing is illegal and he will face consequences if doesn't comply with your request, ok.
- The thing I don't understand is - Why on earth would someone provide you the Adress and documents of Scammer (Small Rabbit) rather than giving it straight to the person who got scammed - I fail to understand this. | What would the Document provider has to gain by proving those documents to 3rd party rather than providing it straight to the person who got scammed ---- The doc. provider also had a good chance to get some money from FastReward for doing it (Given he makes a law case and gets his 25k$ back).... Why did the document provider choose you? - Who were you to Small Rabbit (Scammer) or FastReward (Scammed) - The way you acted on the thread made sure you knew Either Small Rabbit or FastReward.
I really fail to understand this, please enlighten us if you could.

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https://ninjastic.space/address/0xcC262DCc6b6cCd1BD0B46841850AA2daF375360B

If you check the link above, then - You will find | Small Rabbit & Nekin3 using those |
This is the same address FastReward sent 30+ BNB for the Bounty.

You will also find User Nekim praising SmallRabbit in previous posts (If you look at archive posts).



Well, the user Nekim is not thanking Small Rabbit... He's saying thank you to traders and, by mistake, mentioning his username below Thank you, which is "Small Rabbit" (Another account, another deception)

The user nekim3 deleted all his posts on the forum, he did it or the moderators (I am not sure)

Stop blaming me for nothing. The way you take a case and I see a case is not the same. You have no string attached in the forum accept the username and I maintain a serious business in the community so when I do something I have to be more careful with what will be the consequences. When handling with personal identity, no one is above the law. I can not share information with random people and can not risk myself in any unwanted legal harassments.

I don't know why skillfully you are attaching Little Mouse with this Small Rabbit case but it seems you are asking me indirectly giving information of if Little Mouse and Small Rabbit is the same person. Little Mouse was the one who bought the case in front of me first and helped me to get information at that time. Considering his action against Small Rabbit, I can tell that they are not the same person.

To be honest the way you are twisting your logics between Little Mouse and Small Rabbit which all are propaganda, after knowing that they are not same person now you will try to drive everything in another direction because you do not care to take what I say and what not.

Merry Christmas to everyone who found this post to have their time.

To the OP this This Topic | FastReward
The poor guy was dependent on Binance to provide his address and police case, without knowing why would Binance go through the hassle and work of it, But you were waiting for Binance to contact you before you provide info, why's that?

You could've given his address to FastReward after Small Rabbit Made this statement.

I can laugh at it "He was forced to scam" first time I am hearing this.

I corrected myself: It was 25k scammed, not a mere 10-15k.

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You were too concerned for SmallRabbit's future the way you were giving moral speech at the time,
Did Small Rab. Follow your advice: I think not.

But he scammed $25,000 in something INU-INO project and faked the screenshot, PLUS blaming the FastReward for harassing him. It was deception, scam, and betrayal simultaneously for the project he was entrusted to work on. If he's LittleMouse (Which I believe he is, You don't even have to look for more comparisons): If you look at the Blockchain and Mammal Username comparison I made,

If user Hedgehog can protect LittleMouse and tell others to praise him for being a good campaign manager (Being his alt), In that case, you can be sure what he did to the INU project he can and will do to any other, given the anonymity and chance.

The fact is: You're seen protecting both these users, Little Mouse and Small Rabbit - If you were/are aware that Little Mouse and Small Rabbit are the same person, then it makes you guilty as well.

Poker Players seems to have some sense left but JG you are indeed empty and proving it again and again. Responding you is waste of time. I will leave you to live in your imagination, uninterrupted. Dream well.

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This is something from long ago. So I had to follow the lead to refresh the mind. It seems some random account started to create later and was posting that he sent me and LoyceV PM. I can not remember if I received PM or not, my inbox is 208 pages long. Somewhere I said if Binance asked the details then I would give. But right now it seems I have nothing (links, docs anything) left.

Whole point is what do you expect? Disclose the information to who?

 There are sometimes when people just like to raise dust. The accused individual has stated like you mentioned that he has no interest in defending himself on this matter so why don't you drop it? This won't be the last time that we see cases of farmed accounts or people with questionable behavior so bringing it up here for discussion will not make the person change or make the issue stop so sometimes these threads aren't necessary. Except it's your plan to make some of the users on here bring up their old beefs with the other forum members.

Like the old story, you don't even have any evidence to reopen the case. It's just your assumption because he didn't reply to your messages.

Maybe you should learn how the legal system works, how to reopen old cases, find new evidence/novum. Ah, it seems like I'm talking to a rock, I doubt your brain capacity from the past, present, and future.

So? Continue your assumptions with the logic of perception, and perception is always subjective.

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I do not mean to imply any contradiction to your comments but I think there is far more going on here than what you alluded to. Why would Starbets pick him out to send PMs rather than other members?

Keeping that aside, when it becomes a matter of infiltrating DT either by design, default or unintentionally it becomes a far more serious issue than just having several farmed accounts enrolled in various campaigns. I would go as far as to confidently state that Royse is probably aware of all if not most of the accounts in the naim027 farm by virtue of defending him when literally nobody else did. On top of that Royse is employing him as his sidekick to check spreadsheets and quotas therefore though not conclusive, there is reason to believe they have a strong bond.

Regarding merits ... I can say that jeremypwr often invites me via PM to take part in various contests. I also invite many users, and since such PMs are rhetorical in nature, sending merits is a sign of good ethics... a kind of signal that I saw the PM, and appreciate the invitation, the time spent and the work done. So I wouldn't be surprised if LB received messages from Starbets, and also showed good business ethics by sending merits.

What they chat about in private cannot be proven, yes. But the actions they do, the way they talk, and the things that inspire them can be linked very quickly; at this point, it's a habit that will run in a loop; if they change it after reading this, you can notice that, too.


I am not familiar with naim027's case, but with rabbit, lm, and royse. recently, I made a connection in an AI-generated text thread.

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User: hedgehog1 (Started defending LM when Igebotz gave an overview of gambling posters)


User: lgalga (Newbie giving, or pretending to be giving evidence to Royse "Friend of LittleMouse" [Can easily be checked with their public communication style])
Royse also tried to get Small Rabbit reformed and didn't disclose his info, even when he scammed over 10k USD.
But the reply of Small Rabbit was: He fks DTs on this forum and has another account to manage bounties/campaigns (At this point you can very easily guess who that person might be when you read Mammals comparison at the bottom of this post."
If I remember correctly then Small Rabbit deleted that post, but someone Quoted the archived version on Loyce's Club website.


When Royse got that info of Small Rabbit from lgala or from someone else, then did they disclose it?: No

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Both Little Mouse and Small Rabbit use "Dear" it does prove that they both are from Asian countries

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LittleMouse, RapTarX (connection I made in past): https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58168075

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1. Small Rabbit
2. Little Mouse  
3. hedgehog1 (Defending Little Mouse in AI generated content reports, and telling others to give praise to Little Mouse)

Now interesting fact: All three (1,2,3) of these usernames are all Mammals

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Now here (Could be coincidence)

hacker1001101001 joined to protect littlemouse (Just like hedgehog did, awoke after a long inactivity)
Lauda has mentioned on RapTarX's profile

Accounts connected: Little Mouse (UUID = 2344286), RapTarX (UUID = 2530429).
Deception. Multi-accounting. One of two accounts is either farmed up or the result of account trading.
Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2530429

Hacker uses the username "hacker1001101001" (Most likely a rushed username, inserting 1001101001 after the username (could be binary too) | Small Rabbit's Telegram username (looks rushed too, for a quick exit scam): @Rabbit2233 (Link)

Now this Small Rabbit's username resembles Chinese/Japanese text characters, but The China blocked Binance in September 2017. So Small Rabbit did it intentionally to hide that he might not be from Bangladesh,
He cannot use Binance to pull this scam when it's banned in his region (Based on his telegram current username, someone else might be operating that username too but it's been inactive for a very long time so chances of being that is Slim). But it proves one thing: Small Rabbit cannot be from China like his current telegram text indicates.

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It's also worth noting these usernames came to the Aid of Small Rabbit after a long period of inactivity in accusation cases against him.

Now that you mention it, I think he was even given access to the Starbets login and even posted using their account for a while (as he was their employee). I think that was mentioned in one of the previous threads related to him.

I like the way you summed this up. For reasons never understood or known, Royse is a long standing supporter and employer of Naim027. He has Naim027 employed to check the spreadsheets and quota count.

One key thing to note is that it was not known which other account (or accounts) he was using before he purchased/hacked his Royse account from the original Russian account creator, but there are suspicions he is from Bangladesh. We know naim027 is from Bangladesh therefore that brotherly bond between the two could based on that.

Not everything can be proven but some of us already connected some of the dots.

I am glad you have mentioned this. If I have time I will try to find the posts you allude to otherwise feel free to send a PM if you do not want to mention it publicly. It was not that long ago he was defending naim027 therefore nothing he does would not surprise me.

You are definitely not the only one who believes "Learn Bitcoin" is one of several farmed accounts belonging to naim027. Thank you for compiling the information in your informative post.

People getting mad isn't a part of drama?
I wanted to pour some chilly oil into this whole dish, but something stopped me, a memory from childhood related to some family member and drugs...

P.S. What will you do if your statements offend people even after your return just because they're on drugs or too emotional? Will you go on another retreat and hope same people won't get offended by what you say?

I am going to put the entire Reputation section on ignore until 2025. The drama hadn't even started yet and I've already had two people get mad at me for suggesting something obvious. So I'll leave the drama for those of you who are in the mood for it.

So, I'm not the only forum member who thinks 'Learn Bitcoin' is the alt of 'naim027'. Looks like none of us found any strong evidences to prove what we think. I had done a little investigation after this post of 'nutildah'.

My investigation was based on the merit sending activity. He had sent a merit to wintomato on the 7th June of 2023. JohnTwice account was created on the same day and started to work as Wintomato representative from the same day. The username of the account is similar to one of the alt account of 'naim027' (John Abraham ~ JohnTwice).

There was another reason to suspect him as 'naim027'. He had sent some merits to StarBets representative account (check). Most of those merits were sent to random posts of StarBets account (not merit worthy post). 'naim027' had the habit of merit transferring in such way. Some alts of 'naim027' had also sent merit to StarBets account. 'decodx' had pointed out some reasons to show that StarBets account was operated by 'naim027'.

Anyway, the promotional related posts were being made within a few minutes gap from both of those casino representative account (Wintomato and StarBets) since 9 June 2023. Which had made me believe that both of those accounts were operated by 'naim027'. And I think 'Learn Bitcoin' is somehow connected to 'naim027' for the above reasons.

Most of the time, when people defend someone in public then, there are the following reasons I have seen:
1. They don't want something to happen to them that has happened to the person they're defending.
2. They're close.
3. They've business deals (Can be shown in private or not, depending on many factors).

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Anyways, there's another person Royse was defending in the past who got accused of scamming a good chunk from bounty (Advice to reform was given, but the guy straight out exited the convo with F**K You attitude), but due to lack of evidence and slippery tactics, the person got away. I have no problem with it; people around me in real life use these tactics more effectively than people here do online.

I have no idea who Naim027 is, but I can say that when I saw this thread I remembered that one of the Starbets employees mentioned this name in the work chat in the context of this user having access to their corporate account. From what I understood from the conversation, he was doing some work for them .. maybe announcements or something like that. I don't have any archives of the chat because it was about two years ago.

Man, Royse777 AB, long time no discussion you and me around here. Is Naim027 still working for you? Yeah well, I wouldn't be surprised if you'd be upset too if I told you that when you go to talk about someone it wouldn't hurt to spend a few seconds of your life visiting their profile.


I couldn't care less.


I am not.


You are confusing me with JG here. I'm not the one who sent Learn Bitcoin a PM and I'm saying it's suspicious that he doesn't respond, the one who is saying that is JG.

I wouldn't respond to nonsense either, that's why you can open a thread about me being an airfinex alt. But I hope you don't show up with a Telegram screenshot, which I haven't even had installed for months.

Agreed. The only way clarity can be ascertained is by asking about it.

I also cannot recall him scamming either but enrolling as many farmed accounts as he could on campaigns in one thing but eventually by default infiltrating (or possibly one day being in a position to infiltrate) DT is a different matter altogether. In the scamming department he might have kept away from controversy but if someone is conducting in form form of nefarious conduct then there is no reason to believe they will not change paths if an opportunity arose.


I would agree in the general sense but when it comes to Naim027 I would try advocate caution because if he infiltrates DT then it is not good for anybody using the forum.

Says the person that congratulated Naim027 for getting the ban lifted. Not only that, also employs him to check spreadsheets and works with him and speaks highly of Naim027  

Maybe knowing how heated things can get here, Learn Bitcoin is trying to avoid the Reputation board for now. I know another member who avoids the reputations board even when his name or suspicions are mentioned but without anything proving the criminating evidence, then I think we should let them be. Silence does not mean someone is guilty.

Looking at this

Potentially, Poker Player can help us point out how he concluded that Learn Bitcoin = naim027. I am one of the members who dealt with him in the past and left him some positive feedback because he was helpful to me, so to some extent I am concerned about this development.

When you leave reasons for annoying then obviously people will be annoyed. Don't expect people to bravo you for nothing.

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You know what I suspect? Poker Player is airfinex (I have a heavy feeling about it but I have no proof).

So, how are you going to handle the accusation?

You can not prove you are not. If you are airfinex then obviously you will not admit it. Which means unless you are stupid, it is wise for you not to response the nonsenses. Both you are JG are nonsense that's why the topic came to this far. 

False.


The questions yes, but not these statements:



I agree on this


No, it's not a big issue but you make me think you've had a few drinks when you're arguing basic stuff with me.

You assume I should remember every douche on this forum is where I have an issue. Regardless of whether I search a guys name and get acquainted with his past, my questions are still valid. Now that Jollygood has reminded me of him, it's a case of plagiarism, nothing more IMO. Still should be banned but not on the top 100 bitcoin scammers ever. So essentially a waste of everyones time to even care about the guy.

It's definitely not worth you or myself going off as IMO he doesn't matter and why we are talking about it still is beyond me. If you have that big an issue, refrain from commenting my name and i'll do the same for you. Pretty simple solution.

False. Unless for you "has decided only his way matters"  is to suggest to someone that when they are going to talk about another person in this section, they should spend a few seconds visiting the other person's profile.

For me you got mad at me because you got annoyed that I told you something obvious that you hadn't done and now it's your emotional part that is responding.

I vaguely remember the Naim guy and the quote of mine stating the mods fucked up, but that doesn't change the fact that just because I comment in a thread I am not allowed to ask questions as to your end game, nor does it make my comment wrong.

I have no issue with this thread and you trying to investigate if someone is connected to someone who should be banned. Let's not forget that the guy was banned for plagiarism which doesn't exactly make him a big bitcointalk scammer, just a lazy douche.

Not sure why Poker Player has decided only his way matters, but it is what it is. Like i said, I deal with thousands of users a year and don't recall everything right off the top of my head in most cases.

Well, he sent a PM effectively stating he does not want to engage therefore it certainly does not look good on his part. If it were about him being linked to a signature spammer working for tainted companies (such as 1xbit etc) then it would be different but he has been connected to a lowest of the low chief manipulator and compulsive liar in Naim 027 yet is happy to not pass comment. Maybe this thread will not achieve much but that is the way things go sometimes.

I understand your position, it really is hard to keep up with all the disgraced names that have been mentioned over the years and though you might not have any recollection of Naim027 and his known farmed accounts, some of us do. Actually, it was not that long ago that he used his farmed accounts creating multiple problems but if most of that was not picked up on your radar (or by other members) then that is something to be expected.

He could possibly have searched for it (and I did link several threads in the OP too) but he and others might not recall. In the case of yahoo62278 he did post at least once about Naim027 but it is understandable sometimes threads and dramas pass do easily people by or they/we cannot recall every instance of that occurs or even remember posting in those threads at the time.

Man, doesn't this seem a little twisted on your part? It's okay if you don't respond to every accusation against you, but it's a mistake if someone else ignores such things. 
The next thing in this case is to start some discussion that was closed much earlier and I did not see that any new case or evidence was presented about the whole matter. It is quite unclear to me why this topic is here again and what is expected as the final resolution here.

I exchanged a few messages with Learn Bitcoin a couple of times and I did not notice any bad behavior from him. I don't know if it is anyone's alt account, but with the second part here I would agree with Poker Player's statement, currently, LB seems like a correct member of the forum and until proven otherwise, I would not base an opinion about him based on presumption.

Man for 10 years in the forum I say it would not be bad that when they talk about someone in a reputation thread and you are going to respond do something as easy as putting “naim027 bitcointalk” in a search engine and click, it can cost you 10 seconds or less.

In addition to the fact that Naim027's case is quite well known.

I've been on this forum over 10 years and dealt with thousands of users in that 10 years. I don't remember every user unless I had some sort of memorable interaction with them.

Hey yahoo62278, you seem like a broken record. And although you are generally right when you say this you don't seem to know who Naim027 is. Yes, he ban evaded and although he didn't scam I think he is one of the most hated people on the forum. Check out his profile and his 13 red tags.

I think, JollyGood, that you are not going to get very far with this thread as nutildah has also long had suspicions that some particular account is operated by naim027, but he has no proof, and he is surely not the only one.

I think I agree on this.

Many times those that came along to defend themselves in the Reputation thread inadvertently exposed more accounts therefore on that front it probably makes sense for anybody that wants to hide their other farmed accounts to not try to defend themselves. Having said that, as I mentioned earlier by not posting in response does not equate to guilt but speculation will remain.

In the general sense I do not have much of an interest when something such as this happens but when it comes to Naim027 if there is any way to either confirm an account is or is not operated by him, I would take an interest (and the extent of which thus far is to create this thread).

Alt accounts are allowed. If the person in question isn't ban evading or scamming, then let them be IMO. What is your end goal here? To flush out an alt? I think that's where you need to start in your thinking. Are you suspecting them of a bigger picture scam? Does it just bother you and you need to know? I don't like stirring the pot if there is no reason for it is why I ask.

I think the opposite, that he did the best thing for himself by not answering to those accusations because no matter what he says, those who think that account is part of the farm probably wouldn't change the opinion.
And we saw many times those who came and defended themselves just got into more troubles.

Mine are summarized in the neutral feedback and in what I commented in this thread.

I'm sure Learn Bitcoin had at least one forum account before this one, and knows how to get positive feedback and get into DT. I also believe that he is a good forum user with this account, and I reflected that.

I have no strong evidence that this is an alt of Naim027, otherwise I would have red-tagged him. As everyone knows, I have a more precautionary view of the trust system, and I think that even if you do not have irrefutable evidence, if you have a fairly high subjective certainty (in my case 90% or more), you should leave a red tag if you think there is a high risk of trading with that person.

But whether it's an alt account of Naim027 or not, what I see is good behavior and that's what I have to go by. So I hope it stays that way and that's my final feedback.

I also believe that Naim027 has active alts on the forum and that he will eventually learn, if he hasn't already, that it is more profitable to follow the rules than to be an asshole. So unless we find evidence to the contrary, it's not worth wasting a lot of time and energy on this.

A while back a post was made by Poker Player effectively stating he had suspicions that the Learn Bitcoin account was being operated by a known chief manipulator and multiple account operator (naim027). For those that might have no idea of the background to this matter, here is the post in question:


Here are some threads related to naim027:

'John Abraham ≈ naim027' Coincidence or Connection?
Please permaban naim027
an Appeal For naim027. (SOLVED)
Hello World || Welcome back again!

When an accusation is made, there are no set rules how one should address them. In my case, I mostly ignore threads are created in the Reputation board about me and maybe others can do the same if threads are created about them because not responding should not and does not imply guilt. However, I did send a PM to Learn Bitcoin asking him to post a direct response in that thread but he refused.

Here is my point of view on the matter. I think the Learn Bitcoin account has made a mistake by not responding to the comment in the same thread it was made. His subsequent refusal to address it does add to the speculation especially because naim027 was a prolific account farmer and also a compulsive liar that would gladly do whatever it took to line his pockets regardless of the way he did it.

Any genuine member that is assumed/presumed/accused/alluded to being an account operated by naim027 should probably address matter early on or as soon as possible to distance themselves from that name. I brought that post and thread to his attention via PM but the Learn Bitcoin account refused to post in that thread or engage.

Overall, what are the general views within the community on this matter?