Topic: Please permaban naim027 (Read 1006 times)

Without a doubt the moderators should take a tough stance against him and ban him then look at banning his known alt-accounts too.

There are many good members that from local boards you mentioned therefore it would be difficult to support the theory you have about merit abuse but on the subject of naim027 I think the moderators should have kept the original ban.

You are right they have been exploiting the generosity of the community for far too long but as long as the process of banning and then possibly removing the ban on appeal is concerned, it gives hope to account farmers that even their banned accounts stand a small chance of reprieve.

Thank you for not putting all members that are posting particular threads (and in particular boards) in the same box.

Yes.  I have opinions and write them on the internet.  That's what I do.

My opinion is that this thread is misplaced, but I'm not losing any sleep over it.  I haven't reported the thread, and I don't plan to.  I've expressed my opinion, and now I'll crawl back under my trollbridge and wait for the next opportunity to express other unpopular opinions.

What I want to say is that I have long since left the issue with Royse777 on my part and wasting time on it, and if you want I will explain privately why, because here it would be off topic, but basically it has to do with I think that indeed a client of his told him that I had contacted him to badmouth him and tell him not to work with him. But I did not contact any of his clients. So, I understand his position better.

So, when you arbitrarily make a selection of threads and you you say that I opened 5 out of 20 about Royse777 with others that you relate to him saying that they are his "cohorts", you are making a subjective interpretation, it is your subjective opinion.

Because the truth is that I let it go some time ago. Tell me if this what I wrote yesterday looks like a vendetta or if I really want to argue with him:

Sorry, I don't know what this statement means.  Is this in reference to me escrowing fund for one of Royse's projects?  If so that's kind of a tenuous connection (at best,) and deflecting from my comment about why this thread is Meta.  I'm not here to defend anyone, or argue for or against any one specific person's ban.  That would be a discussion I would have in the Reputation board, if I chose to.

Regardless, none of what you said changes the fact that this thread is full of comments that pertain to the reputation of one individual, and that makes it appear to be misplaced to me.   If you want to have a discussion about the rules themselves, how they are applied, and what exceptions exist then it would be best to keep that discussion separate from how the mods and admins have handled one specific situation.

Of course. That's why I created it here. And if it has been here for more than half a year in view of all the moderators and a lot of users who do not take a minute to report threads especially in this section, I have a good reason to think that belongs here.


Fine.


That qualification you make when you join Royse777 "and/or his cohorts" is a subjective opinion at best. And no, I haven't been spending much time on the subject for a while. FYI, the last one I opened at Royse777's request:


FYI as well, he was the one starting the argument this time.

It seems you have already figured out where I think this thread belongs.


The unofficial rules don't really specify what offenses qualify for a ban, so this is a subjective opinion at best.


Maybe naim027 has photos of theymos urinating on Russian hookers?  That would be embarrassing, but this thread can be seen as an embarrassment from another perspective:  At least 5 of the last 20 threads you've started are on the subject of Royse777 and/or his cohorts.  I think you may be spending too much time on the subject, and it's looking very much like you have a vendetta.

Where do you think a thread asking for a ban should be?

This is not a thread about naim027's reputation, it is a thread asking for the ban of someone who ban evaded with several alts when he was banned, of which there is no doubt, as he confessed it himself.

That was the initial intention of the thread. I have now moved on to asking for explanations as to why the rules are not being followed in such a blatant case, the silence for an answer being embarrassing.

Why is this thread still in the Meta board?

Somethings to say, first of all i think the forum NEEDS to ban the Naims account the most fast as possible because he is going to make new accounts (or maybe he has a few more in the shadows) and its gonna send all the smerits remaining in that accounts to the farm.

I think they are exploiting the generosity of some users, we can see a ton of accounts from the south asian (indonesia/Bangladesh) and Nigeria, who are making this movement of multiplir between them the merits.


First they have some good or primary account, who took merits from serious post, second their have a secondary account or third account and when a pizza or pumpking event appears they op up and collect all the merits in a big ammount from very reputed merits sources.
After that they go to the "ladder" of local board and redistribuied the merits between them.

So like Naim are a few guys behind some accounts.

How you can detect them? Easy, you can see they have a very low activity but a very high merits (they have like 1 activity 1 merit rate). And when you see from where that merits comes its allways the same, pizza BTC or events related, local boards redistribution of merits, beg for merits on the threads when you can put your best posts/threads and received merits to reach X rank.

Obviusly im not putting all in the same box, i know we have some very usefull users here who makes a big effort and really good post, but for example the account of LDL i was following that account for farming a lot of merits, and ended up being one more account of naim......

So in resume their break the rule of not share merits between your own accounts and also exploit the generosity of the communitty to give them merits in the contests.

I will also like to hear from the moderators. I am assuming if there is an unsaid rule that anyone whose ban is lifted cannot be banned again. On a second thought it seems that naim027 ban case is more than 6 months, hence every moderator is reluctant to revisit it.
Also, in law there is what is called "Stare decisis". This enables the court not to go against its previous ruling or decisions. This doctrine obligates the court to align so well with their previous verdict. Moderators having unbanned naim027, banning him again could contradict their previous decisions, hence the silence.

I most times agree with franky1's opinions. He is loud about his opinions especially on LN. And many people do not agree with him and I think he was once banned from discussing in the technical sections of the forum. I don't know if the ban was lifted at a time.

Yeah, I was scratching my head there for a minute, trying to think of whether naim027 had been accused of not just being dishonest but actually scamming someone (or attempting to).  As I said a day or so ago, I don't recall ever having a problem with him personally which I would have had there been evidence of him scamming. 

Either way, the issue here is ban evasion with alt accounts.  Perhaps the moderators don't think there's enough evidence to link naim023 to John Abraham and any other account(s) believed to be connected to him?  The blockchain transactions were proof enough for me, but mods might choose to be extremely prudent when making a judgement like that.  I don't know, but I'd really like to hear one or more of them chime in.

He's not being accused of plagiarism or ban evasion AFAIK, just being very loud with his opinions, and there's been talk of him spreading misinformation--and correct me if I'm wrong, as I haven't been following that drama.  I seriously doubt franky1 is going to get banned if it comes down to an issue of free speech.  Trolling and spamming are actionable offenses, but I don't think he's doing either of those.

You should know the difference between someone having multiple accounts and a scammer. Although there are so many threads of Naim027 and his alts recently, but I have never seen any allegations that he scammed someone. So, in matters like you talk with facts.
I have read that he has many alts but I do not also know if he cheated any signature campaign with his alts. Some people here could be worse than Naim027 just because they aren't bursted yet.
Secondly, the sin of one man should not close doors for a whole local board. There are still good people in his locals, please do not generalise.

Meanwhile, I haven't seen moderators ban anyone because users called them out to be banned in the meta. Apart from this thread, I have also read where BlackHatCoiner requested that franky1 be banned but nothing has happened.

If they thought he was that much of a problem they probably would have banned (again) him by now and added all of his known alt-accounts to the ban list too. Maybe they do not see him as too much of a nuisance but I would request they re-evaluate their decision.

I hope the moderators actually look at what is being said in these previous posts and hope they will take action because naim027 and his known alt-accounts are not productive to the wider community.

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This guy is one of the biggest scammers and I feel it would be some time he would come up with another alt account. The problem we would encounter at that time would be to determine whether those alts are related to this individual. It is high time that the BMs rethink before hiring someone from that local board.

Bump.


I agree 100%.

Mods, theymos, we are still waiting for a reply on why the rules have not been applied in this case. He is now engaged, again, in trying to manipulate people in the Reputation section. As if it wasn't enough that when he gets banned he continues to create alts, to leave his main account active and go around messing around even more.

Honestly, this is a piss poor excuse for administration/moderators. It would take 1 hour max to review this case. The guy admitted his alts and ban evasion, CASE CLOSED. They fucked up unbanning him and don't wanna look foolish, or just being lazy about it.

Why does everyone act like admins and mods are toooooo busy and running multi billion dollar corporations? Most are regular people not too busy doing much of anything.

Poker Player, take this jerk as a forum buffoon. He really has a lot of negativity in his trust, so whenever he spits something out, no one will take him seriously but will only give him an additional cuff or a kick. He probably needs this, since all smart people do not see or hear him. I noticed that he is also ignored by you, and if the moderators do not ban his account, then let him get his portion of kicks; he needs them so much.

For the record, I am not obviously suggesting that things like these are supposed to be ignored and those who break the rules are to be given a free pass, they are users who have committed lesser infractions than those in this case and yet they are banned to this day. I was just trying to make sense out the fact your request has not been fulfilled yet. That's all.

I doubt anyone wants alt abusers and farmers to run around unpunished

Forum doesn't stop a banned user to create new alt account as long as it's used to create ban appeal, if they're create post outside Meta board, they're breaking the rule of "ban evasion".

Permanent banned is a must, do you really want to his new alt creating merit fishing threads in this forum?

I think you completely understand about "no need to being 100% honest" and "anyone will learn from a lesson"? pointing out those things will help him to hide it lol.

Anyway talking about same IP address, his alt account already get banned in the past while his other accounts are still active in this forum, is just proving how the administrators either doesn't really care with ban evasion due to IP address connection.

I see more sense in the first part of what you say than in the second. Apart from the red tags he has done repeated plagiarism, which is cause for banning and for which he was effectively banned in the past and he used alts while banned, which is another cause for banning.

On the other hand, if we were to take into account the argument that they can always create alts, no one would ever be banned in the first place, as they can create alts, right?

Some are so dumb that they use the same IP, the same addresses or show other evidence that makes it easy to catch them.


Let's hope so.