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Topic: Legal Marihuana banking problems - solution, bitcoin (Read 1531 times)

legendary
Activity: 1148
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Because the banks know that once they legalize it, They wont be able to launder money for their Cartel friends and that stops them from making a huge profit. Its all about money to them.

I'm thinking the shareholders of private prisons  are more complicit than the banks. Our failed marijuana policy puts a great deal of people.in jail and subsequently generates a lot of federal funding. If this ever dried up, that particular industry would evaporate overnight, and the are REALLY entrenched. We had started to peel back our reliance on private prisons towards the end of Obama's administration, but Trump has signaled.the opposite, a more aggressive stance on marijuana recreationally, and the decision to continue using the private prison system.

Stocks for private prisons soared after he won. It's a bit telling.
hero member
Activity: 994
Merit: 544
Just saw this...scary...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/12/us/banks-say-no-to-marijuana-money-legal-or-not.html?_r=0

I understand how the complex mess of law and regulation could lead to this, but what's the solution?

Duhh...

We cannot really dictate the banks since it is their policy and there are very serious reasons why they dont accept money coming from marijuana business. The only way to be freed from this catastrophe is to make a small pharmaceuticals and process the marijuana into a substance such as medicine for stomach ache and etc. Though the banks are not accepting money from marijuana merchants but they are accepting maoney from pharmaceuticals that uses marijuana in making medicines.
full member
Activity: 126
Merit: 100
Because the banks know that once they legalize it, They wont be able to launder money for their Cartel friends and that stops them from making a huge profit. Its all about money to them.
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
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It happens more than you think. This society is SUPPOSED to be based on rule of law, and the law says a local sheriff is the ultimate authority in any given jurisdiction. You can rot in a local jail cell just as easily as a federal one.
legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1195
They should have installed proper financial support for this business before legalizing the trade, but indeed maybe good news for Bitcoin. But still a hassle for the shopkeeper.

But that would mean changing federal laws.

I'm not from the US so I am not familiar with this state law - federal law system. ...

Try this on.  We've had and will continue to have cases where sheriffs (town or county) publicly announce that if any federal agents try to come into their area and arrest for (x, y,z) the sheriff will arrest the federal agent.

What? Really? Can they actually do that and have they ever had the balls to do it?
YES THEY CAN.   The way that happens here is that the feds and the local sheriff arrive and a 'crime site' or whatever it actually is, and a big shout out ensues.  Have feds actually been arrested by sheriffs, good question, worth looking up.

But crazy stuff goes on, lol....

Sounds comical, but surely Feds overrule local police just like the laws do?

Due to the structure of constitutional law, local sheriffs actually have more authority in their jurisdiction than the federal government.

Somehow I can't see a local sheriff standing up to Fed lol.
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
They should have installed proper financial support for this business before legalizing the trade, but indeed maybe good news for Bitcoin. But still a hassle for the shopkeeper.

But that would mean changing federal laws.

I'm not from the US so I am not familiar with this state law - federal law system. ...

Try this on.  We've had and will continue to have cases where sheriffs (town or county) publicly announce that if any federal agents try to come into their area and arrest for (x, y,z) the sheriff will arrest the federal agent.

What? Really? Can they actually do that and have they ever had the balls to do it?
YES THEY CAN.   The way that happens here is that the feds and the local sheriff arrive and a 'crime site' or whatever it actually is, and a big shout out ensues.  Have feds actually been arrested by sheriffs, good question, worth looking up.

But crazy stuff goes on, lol....

Sounds comical, but surely Feds overrule local police just like the laws do?

Due to the structure of constitutional law, local sheriffs actually have more authority in their jurisdiction than the federal government.
legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1195
They should have installed proper financial support for this business before legalizing the trade, but indeed maybe good news for Bitcoin. But still a hassle for the shopkeeper.

But that would mean changing federal laws.

I'm not from the US so I am not familiar with this state law - federal law system. ...

Try this on.  We've had and will continue to have cases where sheriffs (town or county) publicly announce that if any federal agents try to come into their area and arrest for (x, y,z) the sheriff will arrest the federal agent.

What? Really? Can they actually do that and have they ever had the balls to do it?
YES THEY CAN.   The way that happens here is that the feds and the local sheriff arrive and a 'crime site' or whatever it actually is, and a big shout out ensues.  Have feds actually been arrested by sheriffs, good question, worth looking up.

But crazy stuff goes on, lol....

Sounds comical, but surely Feds overrule local police just like the laws do?
legendary
Activity: 2926
Merit: 1386
They should have installed proper financial support for this business before legalizing the trade, but indeed maybe good news for Bitcoin. But still a hassle for the shopkeeper.

But that would mean changing federal laws.

I'm not from the US so I am not familiar with this state law - federal law system. ...

Try this on.  We've had and will continue to have cases where sheriffs (town or county) publicly announce that if any federal agents try to come into their area and arrest for (x, y,z) the sheriff will arrest the federal agent.

What? Really? Can they actually do that and have they ever had the balls to do it?
YES THEY CAN.   The way that happens here is that the feds and the local sheriff arrive and a 'crime site' or whatever it actually is, and a big shout out ensues.  Have feds actually been arrested by sheriffs, good question, worth looking up.

But crazy stuff goes on, lol....
legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1195
They should have installed proper financial support for this business before legalizing the trade, but indeed maybe good news for Bitcoin. But still a hassle for the shopkeeper.

But that would mean changing federal laws.

I'm not from the US so I am not familiar with this state law - federal law system. ...

Try this on.  We've had and will continue to have cases where sheriffs (town or county) publicly announce that if any federal agents try to come into their area and arrest for (x, y,z) the sheriff will arrest the federal agent.

What? Really? Can they actually do that and have they ever had the balls to do it?
legendary
Activity: 2926
Merit: 1386
They should have installed proper financial support for this business before legalizing the trade, but indeed maybe good news for Bitcoin. But still a hassle for the shopkeeper.

But that would mean changing federal laws.

I'm not from the US so I am not familiar with this state law - federal law system. ...

Try this on.  We've had and will continue to have cases where sheriffs (town or county) publicly announce that if any federal agents try to come into their area and arrest for (x, y,z) the sheriff will arrest the federal agent.

X,y,z have most commonly lately been one or another type of firearms law. 

But it wouldn't surprise me if it was weed.  Just announcing that would make the sheriff immensely popular and in reality, the federal agents would go somewhere else.

But this would not help the banks who are trying to stay in line with regulations.
legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1195
They should have installed proper financial support for this business before legalizing the trade, but indeed maybe good news for Bitcoin. But still a hassle for the shopkeeper.

But that would mean changing federal laws.

I'm not from the US so I am not familiar with this state law - federal law system. I'm from the Netherlands where having weed in small amount is not illegal, buying is nor legal or illegal (grey area) but buying weed as a coffeeshop is illegal. This creates a backdoor system of supply to coffeeshops that comes with a lot of criminality. I believe in full legalization, with the laws to support or criminalization. Legalization has the benefit, tax income, less criminality, controllable quality of substance. (disclaimer: not a user myself)

Federal Law overrules state law. The Netherlands has a half-decent but contradictory policy, but it's better than most situations around the world and at least they don't lock people up for victimles scrimes.
member
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They should have installed proper financial support for this business before legalizing the trade, but indeed maybe good news for Bitcoin. But still a hassle for the shopkeeper.

But that would mean changing federal laws.

I'm not from the US so I am not familiar with this state law - federal law system. I'm from the Netherlands where having weed in small amount is not illegal, buying is nor legal or illegal (grey area) but buying weed as a coffeeshop is illegal. This creates a backdoor system of supply to coffeeshops that comes with a lot of criminality. I believe in full legalization, with the laws to support or criminalization. Legalization has the benefit, tax income, less criminality, controllable quality of substance. (disclaimer: not a user myself)
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
Most of the money laundering regulation is federal in nature hence resistance from even places within the state. Even if it is legal on a state level it puts then at legal risk on a federal level therefore they simply refuse to work with them.
legendary
Activity: 2926
Merit: 1386
This problem won't last. Legal grass is still very new, and the banking sector is always slow to adapt. When bankers will have a better vision of how much cash the legal grass business can bring, they will lobby Washington D.C. to let them accept those customers.

Meanwhile, business owners can still rent a safe deposit box.

I think the banks are doing that to push them out of business.

It's not that, I'm sure the banks would love to take their money, but the federal government wont allow them to.
It is a maze of regulation, but I would have thought that the "federal banks" would not be able to take the money from this bunch, but that the "state banks" and the credit unions would be able to.

Apparently some recent power grab in regulation reached down to those levels.
global moderator
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Merit: 2717
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This problem won't last. Legal grass is still very new, and the banking sector is always slow to adapt. When bankers will have a better vision of how much cash the legal grass business can bring, they will lobby Washington D.C. to let them accept those customers.

Meanwhile, business owners can still rent a safe deposit box.

I think the banks are doing that to push them out of business.

It's not that, I'm sure the banks would love to take their money, but the federal government wont allow them to.
full member
Activity: 126
Merit: 100
CAUTION: Angry Man with Attitude.
This problem won't last. Legal grass is still very new, and the banking sector is always slow to adapt. When bankers will have a better vision of how much cash the legal grass business can bring, they will lobby Washington D.C. to let them accept those customers.

Meanwhile, business owners can still rent a safe deposit box.

I think the banks are doing that to push them out of business.
legendary
Activity: 3066
Merit: 1047
Your country may be your worst enemy
This problem won't last. Legal grass is still very new, and the banking sector is always slow to adapt. When bankers will have a better vision of how much cash the legal grass business can bring, they will lobby Washington D.C. to let them accept those customers.

Meanwhile, business owners can still rent a safe deposit box.
legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1195
They should have installed proper financial support for this business before legalizing the trade, but indeed maybe good news for Bitcoin. But still a hassle for the shopkeeper.

But that would mean changing federal laws.
full member
Activity: 126
Merit: 100
CAUTION: Angry Man with Attitude.
That is so awesome, Marijuana needs to be legalized instead of alcohol since there are more deaths for people using it and those around the user.
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
They should have installed proper financial support for this business before legalizing the trade, but indeed maybe good news for Bitcoin. But still a hassle for the shopkeeper.
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