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Quote from: stompix on August 26, 2018, 10:58:15 AM

Besides, if you want to collect multiple payments I assume you have to encrypt that file for each person, right?
Because once somebody pays all of them are decrypted....

No ! File decrypted only one time for the payer ...

You encrypt it one time and spread it over internet, and then many persons can buy it (if someone decrypt it, not all persons that got the archives will be decrypted for him, each one of them must pay for custom decryption)... and by the developer the decryption is different from person to another, good security thinked there.

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Quote from: btj on August 25, 2018, 03:49:27 PM

Of course it's not for that use !
The goal is to encrypt your files (as many as you want) and then sell it for others.
This prevent centralization in some ways and file deletion from online file hosting / or some plateform where you sell digital files.

How does this prevent file deletion?
It prevents only if you were selling something illegal, which....is NOT legal.

Quote from: Dudeperfect on August 26, 2018, 06:41:16 AM

To be honest, it is something similar to e-commerce website selling digital goods like software or ebook. However, it can protect the files only up to level 1 and after decrypting, there is absolutely no way to restrict further sharing of such files. It's not the legal ransom but kind of utility to accept one-time licensing fee against the sold digital goods.

Yeah, if the first person decides to share it there is nothing you can do.
And with the speed google indexes stuff it will take less than 24 hours for people to find the decrypted files with a simple search.

Besides, if you want to collect multiple payments I assume you have to encrypt that file for each person, right?
Because once somebody pays all of them are decrypted....

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I like it, this make us away from online upload services...

Quote from: edsnowangel on August 26, 2018, 08:31:42 AM

instead of paying money or crypto for encrypting your files and making it secure you can learn the basic programming and make your own free software to encrypt and secure your file if they are getting money from you this is useless there are free and open source software to deal with

You will pay nothing, they just take small fees for transaction.

Quote from: Pursuer on August 26, 2018, 07:07:52 AM

the question is WHY would anyone in his right mind do that? it is literary "masochistware" as stompix said!

if you like the idea of it then do it on your own. how? just use two keys, encrypt whatever you want with them and then hold one yourself and hand another one to another person you trust or simply store it elsewhere. you don't have to use a third party to encrypt-decrypt your data. it is not some secret technology that they are using, it is open source and for everyone to use.
it can simply be a long password (60 char long) and you store 30 character of it and the other person the other 30 and encrypt your data using one of those password managers (trucrypt,...)

Quote from: ranman09 on August 26, 2018, 08:19:32 AM

Why need this if you can use winrar? Winrar encrypts and secure files greatly and the fun fact is you hold the password. No need to pay even a cent.

Your idea is good for one or two persons you already know, but what about sharing it over the internet ? How will you manage to get your payment ? Here come sych innovative service ... if someone pay to decrypt your archive, you will receive instantly your payment.

Quote from: Dudeperfect on August 26, 2018, 06:41:16 AM

To be honest, it is something similar to e-commerce website selling digital goods like software or ebook. However, it can protect the files only up to level 1 and after decrypting, there is absolutely no way to restrict further sharing of such files. It's not the legal ransom but kind of utility to accept one-time licensing fee against the sold digital goods.

Yes i see it like that ... but you can't prevent someone who decrypted the file to share it ... it's like an online ecommerce service or any other selling platform ...

Some guys here didn't got the concept ...

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instead of paying money or crypto for encrypting your files and making it secure you can learn the basic programming and make your own free software to encrypt and secure your file if they are getting money from you this is useless there are free and open source software to deal with

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Why need this if you can use winrar? Winrar encrypts and secure files greatly and the fun fact is you hold the password. No need to pay even a cent.

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the question is WHY would anyone in his right mind do that? it is literary "masochistware" as stompix said!

if you like the idea of it then do it on your own. how? just use two keys, encrypt whatever you want with them and then hold one yourself and hand another one to another person you trust or simply store it elsewhere. you don't have to use a third party to encrypt-decrypt your data. it is not some secret technology that they are using, it is open source and for everyone to use.
it can simply be a long password (60 char long) and you store 30 character of it and the other person the other 30 and encrypt your data using one of those password managers (trucrypt,...)

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To be honest, it is something similar to e-commerce website selling digital goods like software or ebook. However, it can protect the files only up to level 1 and after decrypting, there is absolutely no way to restrict further sharing of such files. It's not the legal ransom but kind of utility to accept one-time licensing fee against the sold digital goods.

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Quote from: btj on August 15, 2018, 07:08:33 PM

Hi,

Anyone else learn about CZIP.ORG ?

It's described as crypto archiver and offer users to archive and crypt their files/folders, and then decrypt using Cryptocurrency Payments !

Is it innovative idea for you ? Bad or Good thing for crypto community ?

A ransomware friendly software for commercial use !

Pretty interesting idea actually, lol. I don't see that many reasons to use it, but i'm amused by the idea that someone look the idea and created this sort-of ransomware as a service thing.

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CZIP.ORG is a software that is made as crypto archiver and for commercially use. Hopefully this will benefit the users and investors will be benefited from CZIP.ORG.

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Quote from: stompix on August 17, 2018, 10:09:26 AM

I think it's one stupid idea.
Basically you crypt your files and the only way to get it the decrypted is by sending a sum to an address from which those guys take a fee?
Correct me if I'm wrong but from their tiny instructions, this is all I could figure.

Besides, it's not ransomware, it's more like masochistware to me.
What if you need those files urgently and you have no BTC left? Grin

There are hundreds of ways to secure your files by encryption for free, why would you pay for this?

Of course it's not for that use !

The goal is to encrypt your files (as many as you want) and then sell it for others.

This prevent centralization in some ways and file deletion from online file hosting / or some plateform where you sell digital files.

Quote from: RodeoX on August 17, 2018, 10:23:53 AM

Because of "ransom ware" this is going to be a hard sell. However there are use cases where it makes sense. I could, for example, have an online store that sells files. Rather than provide protection for the files I could sell the keys to decrypt them. So you would download say a cookbook and when you pay via bitcoin it unlocks the file for use.

I think it's their first goal and logically the only one ...

It was my first tought when i created this thread "LEGAL RANSOMWARE"

Personally I tested it and given the waited result.

Hope this will not be used for illegal activities.

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Quote from: mk4 on August 17, 2018, 10:40:27 AM

Probably could be used by a person selling a certain digital product. Whereas instead of going to a mediator like selly.gg, the seller sends over the encrypted file then the buyer just unlocks it by sending BTC to the address(seller's address) to un-encrypt the file. I don't know though, just trying to make sense to it.

Quote from: RodeoX on August 17, 2018, 10:23:53 AM

Because of "ransom ware" this is going to be a hard sell. However there are use cases where it makes sense. I could, for example, have an online store that sells files. Rather than provide protection for the files I could sell the keys to decrypt them. So you would download say a cookbook and when you pay via bitcoin it unlocks the file for use.

Seems like the only real-life usage of this stuff would be if you're selling stuff and you want people to be able to use it only when they pay.
It would make sense if you don't want to install plug-ins to create a pay per download fee restriction on your website.

But...would this thing work with multiple users?
Would you have to encrypt each file one by one with a different address?
Also, it seems that you'll also have to ask the buyer to download and install the software for it, that's not going to be the selling point of your stuff...

Really, too many damn questions, probably the only way to figure this thing out would be to test it, but that is going to have to wait till Sunday as no way in hell I'm going to use my laptop to run that.
Once I'm at home and I can run a VM I'll give it a try.

It might be stupid but for sure it made me curious Cheesy

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Quote from: stompix on August 17, 2018, 10:09:26 AM

I think it's one stupid idea.
Basically you crypt your files and the only way to get it the decrypted is by sending a sum to an address from which those guys take a fee?
Correct me if I'm wrong but from their tiny instructions, this is all I could figure.

Besides, it's not ransomware, it's more like masochistware to me.
What if you need those files urgently and you have no BTC left? Grin

There are hundreds of ways to secure your files by encryption for free, why would you pay for this?

Probably could be used by a person selling a certain digital product. Whereas instead of going to a mediator like selly.gg, the seller sends over the encrypted file then the buyer just unlocks it by sending BTC to the address(seller's address) to un-encrypt the file. I don't know though, just trying to make sense to it.

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Quote from: stompix on August 17, 2018, 10:09:26 AM

I think it's one stupid idea.
Basically you crypt your files and the only way to get it the decrypted is by sending a sum to an address from which those guys take a fee?
Correct me if I'm wrong but from their tiny instructions, this is all I could figure.

Besides, it's not ransomware, it's more like masochistware to me.
What if you need those files urgently and you have no BTC left? Grin

There are hundreds of ways to secure your files by encryption for free, why would you pay for this?

Hahaha. Exactly. I wouldn't try such service though. Much better if you encrypt your files with strong password. So its a bad idea. And its not user friendly as well, I just look at the "How To", and you need to download Java Cryptography Extension (JCE) Unlimited Strength Jurisdiction Policy Files, and follow another instructions.

@Strufmbae, obviously, this application its not suitable to find your private keys and if you lost them its impossible to get back your bitcoins. Cry

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Because of "ransom ware" this is going to be a hard sell. However there are use cases where it makes sense. I could, for example, have an online store that sells files. Rather than provide protection for the files I could sell the keys to decrypt them. So you would download say a cookbook and when you pay via bitcoin it unlocks the file for use.

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Quote from: stompix on August 17, 2018, 10:09:26 AM

I think it's one stupid idea.
Basically you crypt your files and the only way to get it the decrypted is by sending a sum to an address from which those guys take a fee?
Correct me if I'm wrong but from their tiny instructions, this is all I could figure.

Besides, it's not ransomware, it's more like masochistware to me.
What if you need those files urgently and you have no BTC left? Grin

There are hundreds of ways to secure your files by encryption for free, why would you pay for this?

Yeah, it's so damn dumb. Why would you involve anything that has to do with payments to unlock your own data, let alone anything online? your encrypted stuff shouldn't need an internet connection, you just need a strong password.

And even then, you have enough problems already trying to remember your password. I did some tests with truecrypt, used some strong ass encryption, and then I realized that I entered the password wrongly in a couple of hard drives. I have no idea how to access these drives anymore, it's basically impossible, they are useless unless I can be bothered with formatting them and I don't really need that space.

Anyway bottomline is: just have a strong password but be sure you remember it. You don't need payments or anything fancy.

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It is kinda shady, when i first tried to use electrum as my wallet, i have lost my private keys, i also post a thread in the electrum wallet section regarding to my problem and been loking for a way to retrieve my private keys and i did use czip. Org even thou i don't know if it this was the real way, the only thing it bothers me coz it says that it is free but you should pay atleast a small amount. So in other words it is not for commercial use. But i don't know if it is suitable to retrieve my lost private keys.

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I think it's one stupid idea.
Basically you crypt your files and the only way to get it the decrypted is by sending a sum to an address from which those guys take a fee?
Correct me if I'm wrong but from their tiny instructions, this is all I could figure.

Besides, it's not ransomware, it's more like masochistware to me.
What if you need those files urgently and you have no BTC left? Grin

There are hundreds of ways to secure your files by encryption for free, why would you pay for this?

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Hi,

Anyone else learn about CZIP.ORG ?

It's described as crypto archiver and offer users to archive and crypt their files/folders, and then decrypt using Cryptocurrency Payments !

Is it innovative idea for you ? Bad or Good thing for crypto community ?

A ransomware friendly software for commercial use !

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