Topic: Legendary account seller (Read 1527 times)

How would you implement that? I don't think there is a way.

Moreover people still continues to trade accounts over chat messaging apps and groups or within friends which is beyond investigators radar.

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Also such questions doesn't gives you any relief in your case. The loss you incurred from the DT's action is all because of your mistake.

Then if you think account trading encourages scamming then in the first place you shouldn't allow that.

Rating is correct at every point they made in their feedbacks. You should have known before buying that account trading is something that is frowned upon in this forum. By buying account you are encouraging such activities and thereby every feedback left on you by DT's are accurate.

On all of your negative trust stands for defaulting loan and account trading. The account was used to take a loan and then default. After that, you bought the account and also you applied for a loan? Your negative trust stands for the previous scam which already proved. No one will justify either you bought the account or not and if you can prove that you bought the account then that will not be on your favor. Because account trading encourages scamming.

Hello  I just want to ask did i do anything wrong for giving me a red trust? This is just my opinion. I think its unfair for me after buying the account for the amount of 0.05 withouth any intention to harm or scam people here. With just one post asking for a loan that rejected you will give me a negative trust? Maybe it is acceptable if the lender who i ask for loan will give me a negative trust. But for others who gave me a red trust on my profile. Did i do something wrong to you? If asking a loan will just give you a negative trust then you should give also other user or newbie who are asking a loan a negative trust. Thank you.

Yeah just tagging can't be a solution to stop account buy sell on the forum. I am completely agree with you that  before tagging its always fair to think about the valid points of both sides. Maybe sometimes its not the original scenario what we see through open eyes. Every valid arguments have a proper reason behind it. I support the way you take decision to tag someone or not.

After all the valuable conversation here its pretty much clear that account buy sell ruins the fame of bitcointalk. Thats why everyone should work together to stop this. I beleive in the near future theymos will reconsider it   

Explicitly revisiting wouldn't make a lot of sense/be worth it; although you may encounter a thread or two every once in a while.

This. There is no excuse for doing this anymore.

From this point onwards, which is the reason I used the word "henceforth".  Again, I'm speaking only for myself.  If anyone feels differently about this and wants to aggressively pursue older examples of account sellers that didn't get tagged, they're free to do so.  I think it'd be a waste of time and energy, though.

Are you going to revisit old account sellers, or, draw a line in the sand and adopt a "from this point on-wards" attitude?

OK, the feedback left by Lauda and actmyname speaks louder than the discussion we've had here--henceforth, no exceptions to account sellers being negged will be made.  I'm not in total agreement with that, but I do understand the need for consistency and avoiding even the appearance of not playing favorites--even though I have no relationship with grtthegreat and didn't stand to gain or lose anything if I negged him.  My problem is that I can see both sides of the argument, and each side has valid points.  That's why I'm conflicted.

However, if this is the community standard that we're going to adopt I can live with that.  No one should be selling accounts in 2019 and should know that buyers & sellers of them have been getting tagged since 2016 and should be familiar with all the reasons that have been given as to why account sales hurt the forum.

My apologies for waffling on this, and I'm glad marlboroza made this thread so that we can all give our opinions.  I, for one, am thankful for everyone who chimed in.

Observation, small rant^[1], thoughts. Thank you for your input and don't put words in my mouth.

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[1]I had some PM drama from Real14Hero because of this and some PM from shasan because of this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1000796, something about this IIRC.

I'm sorry..
It was not my intention to put words into your mouth but rather to understand your stance on the subject as we were all responding to shasan's suggestion of strict lending regulations..



DarkStar_ said basically the same thing I did in his reply to the same quote of yours but I get a "don't put words in my mouth" while DarkStar_ gets a "thank you for your input"
Infact, DarkStar_'s posts here have only supported the points I made about taking accounts collateral...


Of what subject matter he has touched on, our views have been parallel..

@Eddie13 I would appreciate if you don't put words in my mouth thank you.
@DarkStar_ thank you for your input on this matter.
@Thule you are not allowed to post here any more.

Thanks for showing your instant action to keep the forum Clean. From now its fully clear to everyone that it doesn't matter if anyone have green trust or not but it matters by committing any kind of illegal activities no one will get discount here in the future.

Account buy - sell  activity always controlled strictly by our forum DT members. Its another example of that. I wish every user will be much careful about it from now.

Rules are always same for everyone.

Saving Bruno's account kind of blew up in your face though.

Based on the user's actions, their responses and the discussion here, I have tagged and excluded the user.

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Anyone who is anti account-sale tagging has flawed judgement. This will be my final input on this matter.

I read the thread very carefully and every members discussion too. I know my words can be sour to listen for our DT members who already disscussed here on this issue. Afterthat i beleive its my responsibility to say honestly whats going on here.

Its already proven here that grtthegreat is a legendary green trusted account seller. My question is to all DT members,

Is it legal for a green trusted legendary member to buy-sell account?

If i get the answer from the current situation here i think its probably "yes". Because still no one taking any action against this account seller. I think its because he is a green trusted legendary member. So we could learn from here that rules and regulations of bitcointalk isn't same for everyone. If i am a green trusted member than i can do anything here which is legal & if i am a hero member or sr member or full member without green trust than anyone can give me red trust easily.

Rules should be equal and same for everyone It doesn't matter that the convicted user have green trust or not . I don't know why this green trusted  member still got the green colour. I beleive it will be red very soon.

As a member of bitcointalk i had opened a thread last couple of month ago with a poll system. The result of the poll was 69% member think account buy sell should be ban officially.
Here is the thread  link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.44235140

I have seen many account seller & buyer tagged for selling accounts here. IMO if account buyer & seller tagged then all account seller & buyer should be tagged. Otherwise  tagging should be stop from now.

Why only account buyer will be tagged? If tag requires then it should be both for seller and buyer. Isn't it?

It's from your side and you recover your lent amount. But what about account buyer? Who have bought account he already got tag so account is worthless. Will you return him his fund and will you get back account? If not then it's not equal a scam ? Because you know very well sold account will tag if DT aware about that. If you are honest then you should get back account and refund buyer fund since account got tagged. Who forced you to keep account as a collateral and who forced you to sell it. You put on sale for stop your loss, now buyer what will do ? If buyer claim now he got scam then it will not wrong my opinion. Because you got solid money but you sold worst things.

Buyer should get immediate tag, because who know the account holder. May be he will use it for scam or he will get another loan. Regarding seller discussion is on going. Seems lot of drama here since seller have multiple positive feedback's. Let's see......

I will not surprised if someone put him on DT2

Not really, no. There is a certain risk if it falls into the wrong hands - someone could probably do some damage with it, so I'd like to avoid that. But as far as monetary value it's $0 to me. I can start tomorrow as a noob and be just as happy trash-talking in Meta and mining Grin and doing whatever else I've been doing here. Probably even happier without the drama that comes with the "positions of power" LOL.