Topic: Legendary Member's ban appeal - page 2. (Read 1154 times)

Sorry for the late reply, folks - as I mentioned earlier, I'm on vacation.

Well, yes - cat's out of the bag. It was a bought account. I don't say this as an attempt to shield myself with it as an excuse, but I was introduced to the forum through the type of shady members that buy and sell accounts, and the normality of such practice was exaggerated in my mind. Quickly, I came to realize that that was an unwise move, but by then I had considerably invested in my presence here and figured that, since the majority of my activity was mine, it would be something to blow over. Evidently not, but I'm okay with it. Took it off my conscience, even though it may not have been in the best way.

However, I do urge the community, especially Lauda, to reconsider (if even briefly) the understandably hostile position that one may default to. I agree - account and trust farmers are despicable. However, neither of those terms are applicable to me. You'll see that I only dealt in the PayPal to BTC transactions that my lifestyle makes most convenient, and the DT ratings that I picked up along the way were simply byproducts of such. I dealt with many more non-DT members during my time here (among which was my largest transactions with the people that I trusted, even though they weren't necessarily on DT) as seen on my trust feedback.

I should have come clean of my own accord before this, explaining my situation and that I didn’t have ill intents, I know. But I do hope that the relationships that I built during my time here help attest against that as well.

Best wishes.

That post was the first, while quickly browsing his post history that did not look like one liner nonsense posts. My working assumption had been that the farmer was not outright incapable of posting something that was not incoherent. Perhaps he just got lucky in what he chose to plagiarize.

Right. He most likely fully took over the account at 4:33 PM that day, and made his actual first post a few hours later.

That post was plagiarized as well.



In this case account bitcoin revo possibly changed hands after September 22, 2015, 02:57:55 AM.

I would be in favor of opposing leniency until he provides as much of this information as he can, and admitting his account was bought.

Looking at his post history, I would have guessed his first post was here, which was posted on September 21, 2015, 02:20:15 AM, and his password changed here, approximately a day later. 



aTriz didn't have any DT ratings (from who are on DT today) until he went into business with you. He was then shielded by you once he was seen to be very shady.

Well we did deals and bitcoin revo became one of the members I came to trust enough to leave positives for, and I'd trade with him again if the opportunity arose.  I sent first on those deals, so I took the risk, and I don't think I got duped by him just because he's got an old history of plagiarism.  Anyway, I hear what you're saying and I'll mull it over.

Now I'm wondering this as well, because the copy/pasting obviously stopped being a habit for him years ago. 

This is another instance of aTriz, gator and many others abusing you and other people who are lenient with worthless PayPal related positive trust. I guess I can repeat this quite the number of times, but it does not seem like these people are willing to listen as it causes cognitive dissonance.

afaik the creator of that software wishes to remain anonymous; I just recognize some of the patterns that plagiarized posts sometimes have (punctuation, new lines, sentence structure, etc. just feels 'off' when I look at it) and literally just search the phrase and see if a match pops up.

@OP - did you buy your account? When? Who did you buy it from?

If you were the person doing this plagiarism, I think your published should be more than a 60 day + 2 year signature ban.

If you were not the person who plagiarized all these posts, I think theymos (or Cyrus) should take some time to look for any current alts of this person and ban them all permanently.

I haven’t verified all the instances of plagiarism claimed, and my above post assumes they are accurate.

It doesn't surprise me that a plagiarized post can be discovered in years past, because there's an especially ambitious member (or a bot) seeking these posts out.  What's alarming is that a member like bitcoin revo is getting banned--he's a good guy, and I've traded with him a couple of times.

I do hope OP doesn't get a permaban, because he's a decent member, regardless of that copy/paste.  He isn't a serial plagiarizer, a shitposter, or a scammer.  This is another one of the instances where I think someone should be given a second chance.  But yikes, this is crazy to see.

Whoops, I didn't read the whole thread before posting.  Holy shit, OP!  You plagiarized that many posts?!  Big sigh.  Those are all really old, but still. 

This is not the only message which you copied. Almost all of your first comments you took from other members or websites.

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While it is a plausible theory... unfortunately, it isn't a correct one.

if you look at the bottom of Page TWO of the thread, there is a post (#40) quoting the OP, which already includes the "EDIT": https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11770815

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My understanding from the various comments made in the posts in Meta, is that the banning is NOT automated... only the reporting of possible plagiarism is automated. The bans (in spite of the "Autoban" name on the Modlog) are still done by a human who needs to check each report before issuing the ban.

Having said that, anyone reported is at the mercy of the overworked mods... but one would like to think they do more than just click the ban button when a report is received.

If you edit a post it shows as being edited if you hover over the title. (Unless it is edited withing a few minutes of the initial post)

This post does not indicate that it has been edited. But I'm not sure when displaying that a post has been edited was introduced as a function.



Plagiarism is a serious problem and copy and pasting does not contribute to the goals of the forum.

But automated systems can also lead to serious problems :

Positive contributors can get banned for forgetting to put things in quotes.
Sayings and common phrases could potentially lead to a ban.
Deliberate manipulation of external websites can lead to bans. (It has in the past)

Not yet, and maybe will not be published. I believe owner(s) of the plagiabot want to keep it fully anonymous.

Someone designed a powerful plagiabot, run it, started the banwave, and made the forum to a period should be called as "Chancellor on brink of plagiarism collapse".  Please check my guide and note it down for later use. 
[TIPS] to avoid plagiarism

Good lord. How do you people manage to dig up plagiarized posts from that far in the past? Especially snipped up statements like that.

You actually can take your second chance with temporary ban and signature ban for one or two years. You can get it or not, depends on your past activities (things presented below are not mine, I describe perspectives of global mods that I read during the banwave in many appeals). There are some factors:
- Total posts that you plagiarised.
- Percentage of plagiarised posts / your total posts (more than half - 50% - will wipe out your second chance, surely)
- Time points of your plagiarism (before or after the rule on plagiarism applied in the forum)
- Your past contributions.
Everyone whom got permanent ban will feel happy with a reduced sentence for sure. However, whenever you are back from vacation, you can make the appeal better (that somehow increase your chance) by collecting and presenting posts or threads that you thought are most constructives from your past (before your ban day).
I scanned your post history, that looks good (at least not a pure shit poster), so I think you might have chance, but it is not my position to say anything about this.
There is even a user (maybe more, but I know only one) that even come back without signature ban.  

Wait, for real? I got nailed for a post in '15? I've been reading through a few similar threads about users being similarly hit by plagiarism posts a long time ago and - yes, it's plagiarism despite when it was - but this seems a little far fetched. I can't even remember writing this post, but I assume that it was in my phase of "wow, look at these signature campaigns!" that I thought I had taken care of deleted accordingly, but it appears not.

4 years ago - 4 years of genuine, positive contributions I've made to this community - and I'm banned off of this? I'd be happy with a temporary ban - those who are close to me know that I'm on vacation right now anyways - but a permanent ban disregarding what I've done this community for two damn lines 4 years ago is infuriating.

Right off the bat, I offered free hosting exclusive this community and maintained it for quite a while. Does that deserve no consideration as you guys pursue justice in this case? What about the many thousands of dollars that I fairly exchanged on this forum? I say this because I've been in your shoes, but I urge you to try to imagine this in your position, to your own account.

plausible. but it seems that post was plagiarized too. it seems to be copied from this reddit post made on march 9th of 2015.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ybt00/whats_your_biggest_problem_with_bitcoin/

OP was probably edited after the account in question posted his/her opinion on the topic.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11724341