Legendary trying to enroll 2 Alt Accounts at the same signature campaign

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Quote from: hilariousandco on April 12, 2021, 09:45:33 AM

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on April 10, 2021, 04:14:19 PM

I asked hilariousandco's advice about this very question a year or two ago, and if I recall correctly he told me that regardless of whether it's stated in the campaign rules, enrolling multiple accounts in the same campaign is a tag-able offense. And as far as I know, it's been a rule in all of Yahoo62278's campaigns and pretty much every other one as well.

I don't believe I said this or you may have misinterpreted what I said. It's 100% not against the forum rules. As far as theymos or the mods are concerned you could have 100 accounts on the same campaign just as long as they're not shitposting en masse. I may have said something along the lines of the community often deems it a tagable offence. Personally I would think it's basically a terms of service violation of the campaign if it states only one person and if people want to tag people for it I wouldn't make an argument against that but I don't believe it's a crime either.

There are some people on the forum who wish every Legendary or Hero member to be tagged and they will not spare any single incident to enforce a red tag Cheesy

I don't know about this mentally, maybe its hard to rank Legendary and some low ranked members didn't like old Legendries enjoy the privilege they gained at the time when forum had no merits.

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Quote from: Hhampuz on April 14, 2021, 07:43:36 PM

Just add them to your blacklist if you want or as someone else suggested in this thread - neutral tag, would and probably should be enough.

This seems another reasonable response to me.
Making them blacklisted and not making much talk about it could be a best practice too.

However, in some cases managers mention that enrolling alt will result in negative tag. And after seeing this rule if anyone still enrol more than one account then tagging the account is fair as well.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on April 12, 2021, 09:45:33 AM

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on April 10, 2021, 04:14:19 PM

I asked hilariousandco's advice about this very question a year or two ago, and if I recall correctly he told me that regardless of whether it's stated in the campaign rules, enrolling multiple accounts in the same campaign is a tag-able offense. And as far as I know, it's been a rule in all of Yahoo62278's campaigns and pretty much every other one as well.

I don't believe I said this or you may have misinterpreted what I said. It's 100% not against the forum rules. As far as theymos or the mods are concerned you could have 100 accounts on the same campaign just as long as they're not shitposting en masse. I may have said something along the lines of the community often deems it a tagable offence. Personally I would think it's basically a terms of service violation of the campaign if it states only one person and if people want to tag people for it I wouldn't make an argument against that but I don't believe it's a crime either.

I think The Pharmacist was also referring to community standards here, not directly to violations of forum rules.
Some might give a red tag, some might not give a red tag because each DT member has a different point of view regarding that issue.

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Meh.

I don't see any reason to tag someone for applying with several alts in one campaign, if it's against the rules of the campaign or not. Just add them to your blacklist if you want or as someone else suggested in this thread - neutral tag, would and probably should be enough.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on April 10, 2021, 04:14:19 PM

I asked hilariousandco's advice about this very question a year or two ago, and if I recall correctly he told me that regardless of whether it's stated in the campaign rules, enrolling multiple accounts in the same campaign is a tag-able offense. And as far as I know, it's been a rule in all of Yahoo62278's campaigns and pretty much every other one as well.

I don't believe I said this or you may have misinterpreted what I said. It's 100% not against the forum rules. As far as theymos or the mods are concerned you could have 100 accounts on the same campaign just as long as they're not shitposting en masse. I may have said something along the lines of the community often deems it a tagable offence. Personally I would think it's basically a terms of service violation of the campaign if it states only one person and if people want to tag people for it I wouldn't make an argument against that but I don't believe it's a crime either.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on April 10, 2021, 04:14:19 PM

I asked hilariousandco's advice about this very question a year or two ago, and if I recall correctly he told me that regardless of whether it's stated in the campaign rules, enrolling multiple accounts in the same campaign is a tag-able offense.

Imma PM him for clarification on this opinion..

Quote from: yahoo62278 on April 11, 2021, 01:09:39 AM

Contrary to eddie and his opinions I think I have always had the forums best interest in mind when it comes to campaigns.

Running campaigns to advertise blatant yobit scams and hiring spammers in order based on how much they will bump project ANNs and shill the project across the forum any chance they get (against forum rules)..
How scrupulous..

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Quote from: 1miau on April 11, 2021, 03:36:55 PM

Quote from: Obito on April 11, 2021, 08:23:10 AM

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I would say that totally depends on each Campaign Manager. For the comment above, yahoo62278 mentioned that before joining a campaign, a user can ask via PM which of his accounts would have the best chance to apply and get accepted. But if everyone starts doing this, the Campaign Manager would have much more work, so don't take it granted to get an advice. If you have that much alt accounts that you don't know which account will have the best chances, it's not the Campaign Manager's problem.

That's not my point though, what I am trying to say is that if the manager knows that you have an alt, that means that they can accept you without the worry of being flagged by DT for alt accounts.

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Quote from: LoyceV on April 11, 2021, 04:50:32 AM

Quote from: 1miau on April 10, 2021, 03:18:37 PM

Would such a behaviour (trying to enroll 2 Alt Accounts at the same signature campaign) result in red trust or only a neutral trust for linking Alt Accounts? What's DT's opinion?

My opinion: when in doubt, use neutral feedback:

Quote from: LoyceV on October 10, 2019, 11:37:17 AM

I think Neutral Feedback is currently undervalued on Bitcointalk. It's a great tool to de-escalate without drastic consequences. Please use it when appropriate.

That was also my current approach, of course also depending on how his reaction will be for exposing his alts / his double application.

Quote from: Obito on April 11, 2021, 08:23:10 AM

Quote from: yahoo62278 on April 11, 2021, 01:09:39 AM

Contrary to eddie and his opinions I think I have always had the forums best interest in mind when it comes to campaigns. Moving on to something that happened in 2017, I think time has run out for tagging anyone for something they did back then. If they were tagged back then. then it is fine.

A user can also pm a manager and let them know hey these are all my accounts, give a link to all accounts, and ask if any of them can be accepted. It is not forbidden to have multiple accounts, so it shouldn't result in a tag if done in that way.

So iif I am getting it right, you can never be removed in a campaign or you can join a campaign if you let the manager know about you having an alt account,

I would say that totally depends on each Campaign Manager. For the comment above, yahoo62278 mentioned that before joining a campaign, a user can ask via PM which of his accounts would have the best chance to apply and get accepted. But if everyone starts doing this, the Campaign Manager would have much more work, so don't take it granted to get an advice. If you have that much alt accounts that you don't know which account will have the best chances, it's not the Campaign Manager's problem.

Quote from: Obito on April 11, 2021, 08:23:10 AM

most campaigns though have a rule that says that if an alt was found out then they are removed.

The rule is about only one account per participant or better described as "no multiple accounts allowed to enroll in this signature campaign". Lets say I'm an alt account from LoyceV, and the signature campaign is "shitcoin bets.com", so it's only allowed to enroll 1miau or LoyceV account in "shitcoin bets.com" signature campaign.
It doesn't matter if you enroll your alt or your main account, but it has to be only 1 account for this campaign.

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Giving a negative trust for this case completely depends on the campaign manager and the rules of the campaign as mentioned above. However, if someone has been long enough on this forum to become a legendary account, they would definitely know it is WRONG to participate in the signature campaigns with alt accounts. I mean they wouldn't really resemble a good contributing member to the forum, right?

As a penalty, if I was the campaign manager I'd ban them from participating in my campaigns for a few months or expect them to publicly apologize?

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If the participants do not break the campaign rules, then I do not agree to tag either manager willingly removed rules about enrolling in an alt account or forgot to add the rules. As a campaign manager, I am not accepting alt account in my campaigns, so I clearly state that in campaign rules. In such as case, if the participants break the rules, I have mentioned there the question account would be tagged by me. So, in this case, even a neutral tag isn't appropriate since there were no rules about enrolling alt account.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on April 11, 2021, 01:09:39 AM

Contrary to eddie and his opinions I think I have always had the forums best interest in mind when it comes to campaigns. Moving on to something that happened in 2017, I think time has run out for tagging anyone for something they did back then. If they were tagged back then. then it is fine.

A user can also pm a manager and let them know hey these are all my accounts, give a link to all accounts, and ask if any of them can be accepted. It is not forbidden to have multiple accounts, so it shouldn't result in a tag if done in that way.

So iif I am getting it right, you can never be removed in a campaign or you can join a campaign if you let the manager know about you having an alt account, most campaigns though have a rule that says that if an alt was found out then they are removed.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on April 11, 2021, 01:09:39 AM

Personally, enrolling with multiple accounts to the same campaign in hopes 1 is selected is still attempting to cheat said campaign. Choose the best account and apply. If your best account doesn't get in, there should be no way a lesser account would make it.

A user can also pm a manager and let them know hey these are all my accounts, give a link to all accounts, and ask if any of them can be accepted. It is not forbidden to have multiple accounts, so it shouldn't result in a tag if done in that way.

This is my point of view. Using multiple accounts to apply is cheating, particularly if it violates the campaign rules.
It's similar to taking part in a competition with multiple applications. Whether or not both accounts win the competition, it is still unfair to the other participants.

As yahoo62278 suggested, a better solution is to communicate with the manager via the PM. And if you don't want to expose the link between your alt accounts, don't apply in the same campaigns.

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Quote from: 1miau on April 10, 2021, 03:18:37 PM

Would such a behaviour (trying to enroll 2 Alt Accounts at the same signature campaign) result in red trust or only a neutral trust for linking Alt Accounts? What's DT's opinion?

My opinion: when in doubt, use neutral feedback:

Quote from: LoyceV on October 10, 2019, 11:37:17 AM

I think Neutral Feedback is currently undervalued on Bitcointalk. It's a great tool to de-escalate without drastic consequences. Please use it when appropriate.

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I don't know what the problem is. If the manager allows alternatives to participate, and it is interpreted that there is no specific rule in the terms, I will not argue and simply state that the accounts are alternatives.
If there are strictly defined rules and accounts are still signed by all alternative profiles, then this is a hoax. The negative tag should stand and deservedly. You should not consider yourself smarter and more cunning. This is a society with its own rules that must be followed.
But if we talk about old stories, then you can just close your eyes. Execution is important here and now. Just leave neutral feedback.
I also sometimes notice that many of the old accounts change ownership. But even in this case, putting a negative tag is too cruel without clear evidence.

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Contrary to eddie and his opinions I think I have always had the forums best interest in mind when it comes to campaigns. Moving on to something that happened in 2017, I think time has run out for tagging anyone for something they did back then. If they were tagged back then. then it is fine.

Personally, enrolling with multiple accounts to the same campaign in hopes 1 is selected is still attempting to cheat said campaign. Choose the best account and apply. If your best account doesn't get in, there should be no way a lesser account would make it.

A user can also pm a manager and let them know hey these are all my accounts, give a link to all accounts, and ask if any of them can be accepted. It is not forbidden to have multiple accounts, so it shouldn't result in a tag if done in that way.

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2017, the community is not too flooded in this forum, the campaign rules are not too strict in this forum, one person only manages one, the Btc paid sig campaign is not very popular, Bounty promised tokens at that time.

Now it has entered 2021, (5) years difference, the forum is known to all corners, one person can control 5-10 accounts and register in the campaign, the economy is deteriorating, Needs are increasing, forums are some of their main income, alternative Btc sig-paid campaign solutions, no wonder managers apply the rules: Register an Alt account, not allowed, if you do negative above your head. The bottom line: other members can participate in promoting the campaign, fair.

Let's try to target Alt accounts that register in this new era campaign in 2021, forget about the 2017 era campaign, maybe it's more professional.

@nutildah, did it that time in the campaign: Chip-M, Suspect Fall, 5-10 other members enjoyed the results of the CM campaign, until now.

Nothing is wrong, a new era: negative beliefs are right.

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Quote from: nutildah on April 10, 2021, 06:07:03 PM

I'd need to know the basis for calling them alts. If it was something that happened and ended in 2017, I would just leave it be. You'd want to be awfully sure that your evidence is correct before going after a Legendary (or two) for something that happened (or didn't even actually happen) four years ago.

Evidence for alts is very clear but the accounts are not popular (pre-Merit era "Legendary"). Since it's only about trying to enroll alts and no real abuse happened, I'll most likely keep it at neutral trust anyway (also depending on the users reaction) only for being alts and a short remark about applying with multiple accounts in the same signature campaign at once.

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I'd need to know the basis for calling them alts. If it was something that happened and ended in 2017, I would just leave it be. You'd want to be awfully sure that your evidence is correct before going after a Legendary (or two) for something that happened (or didn't even actually happen) four years ago.

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Well I disagree, go 2017 tag happy all you guys want though, lol.. Have fun..

Also, yahoo is a shit example as far as someone to look up to for someone who upholds high community standards, wellbeing, and morality, especially when it’s financially convenient..

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I asked hilariousandco's advice about this very question a year or two ago, and if I recall correctly he told me that regardless of whether it's stated in the campaign rules, enrolling multiple accounts in the same campaign is a tag-able offense. And as far as I know, it's been a rule in all of Yahoo62278's campaigns and pretty much every other one as well.

Quote from: eddie13 on April 10, 2021, 03:54:14 PM

Yahoo tagged others for breaking a rule that wasn’t even a rule?
He should remove those tags..

I'd like to remind you that scamming isn't against the rules here. Members can and should be tagged for certain things that don't necessarily violate forum or campaign rules--there's sometimes a gap between written rules and community standards. Always has been, probably always will be.

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