Topic: Let the Newbies back in? - page 2. (Read 4494 times)
Has anyone else noticed a correlation between price stability and the noobs/trolls being gone?
The issue with people not speaking English is a valid one, though ... maybe new people should be allowed into those forums ... and people posting English in those forums be banned after second warning ;-)
The local forums are exempt from the restrictions.Honestly, the Newbie forums have been a very positive change for the forum. The newb posts outside of that forum have dropped to levels we haven't seen in weeks, and the newbies are actually getting the help they need instead of being chastised by the old forum members.
Don't have 4 hours to kill and you want to announce the launch of a new Bitcoin business? We'll whitelist you. Personally, I've been whitelisting around 20 people per day.
The system works.
we still have issues like bitcoin7.com not being able to reach the proper audience and so he had to wait for 2 hours until i got his PM to post his new exchange site. I have posted the new exchange in general now though, hopefully he will be permitted to post so he can talk about it himself.
I was wondering what happened.. it seemed like the average IQ of this forum went up about 20 points in the last week. Keep the trolls out. Its not hard to get 5 posts or 4 hours accumulated.
I used to act much more like a troll here until other people magically stopped. It's funny how that works.
I was wondering what happened.. it seemed like the average IQ of this forum went up about 20 points in the last week. Keep the trolls out. Its not hard to get 5 posts or 4 hours accumulated.
The issue with people not speaking English is a valid one, though ... maybe new people should be allowed into those forums ... and people posting English in those forums be banned after second warning ;-)
The local forums are exempt from the restrictions.Honestly, the Newbie forums have been a very positive change for the forum. The newb posts outside of that forum have dropped to levels we haven't seen in weeks, and the newbies are actually getting the help they need instead of being chastised by the old forum members.
Don't have 4 hours to kill and you want to announce the launch of a new Bitcoin business? We'll whitelist you. Personally, I've been whitelisting around 20 people per day.
The system works.
How is this even up for any sort of debate?
If you run a forum and people are starting the same thread over and over again, the only logical thing to do is prevent that from happening. New users shouldn't come into the forums and be overwhelmed with 9/10 threads being troll threads.
There is no debate about that at all...
If somebody has a valid argument they want to raise somewhere.. cool.. Do it, but don't spam the forums.
If you run a forum and people are starting the same thread over and over again, the only logical thing to do is prevent that from happening. New users shouldn't come into the forums and be overwhelmed with 9/10 threads being troll threads.
There is no debate about that at all...
If somebody has a valid argument they want to raise somewhere.. cool.. Do it, but don't spam the forums.
At the very least the 50 post count should be in place for starting new threads. And then there should be enough moderators floating around to see if somebody is just crap posting all over the forums.
Let the ban hammer swing.
-airdata
Let the ban hammer swing.
-airdata
incorrect, any reasonable individual would be able to see how this would lead to a major infux in unrelated responses. I'm not calling YOU unreasonable, because most likely you merely have not thought of this.
somebody, yes. but not somebody FOR everybody. the SOMEBODY you are reffering to is YOU for YOURSELF. YOU should chose what YOU get to see. this can be accomplished with a HIDE THIS THREAD button, it hides the thread from you, not the ENTIRE WORLD. let me know if i was unclear, i will simplify it, it is worth my time for you to grasp this thought since we share a planet together.
At the very least the 50 post count should be in place for starting new threads. And then there should be enough moderators floating around to see if somebody is just crap posting all over the forums.
Let the ban hammer swing.
-airdata
Let the ban hammer swing.
-airdata
incorrect, any reasonable individual would be able to see how this would lead to a major infux in unrelated responses. I'm not calling YOU unreasonable, because most likely you merely have not thought of this.
People can have 1 OMG THE SKY IS FALLING thread, but we don't need 50 created over one weekend. This isn't the pokemon forums, people are heavily investing in bitcoin and people aren't a part of that shouldn't be allowed to come into the forums and just shit all over the place.. Somebody has to clean that stuff up.
hell... even sticky a CRASH!!!! thread. But outside of that, I'd honestly keyword restrict threads with any similar words in the title. If people want to bump the CRASH!!! thread... go ahead.. just don't try creating another 10 of them.
At the very least the 50 post count should be in place for starting new threads. And then there should be enough moderators floating around to see if somebody is just crap posting all over the forums.
Let the ban hammer swing.
-airdata
Let the ban hammer swing.
-airdata
incorrect, any reasonable individual would be able to see how this would lead to a major infux in unrelated responses. I'm not calling YOU unreasonable, because most likely you merely have not thought of this.
I'm glad this got implemented. A forum really is a kind of community, and the best way to join a community is listen first, for a little while, then start posting a little bit (and a newbie forum is just fine for that), and then posting a little more.
there are many reasons why having your mouth shown shut is bad for the progress of society. one instance quite relevant is this, on hell night last saturday a prospective bitcoin adapter/vendor came on looking for information on why he she accept bitcoins on his site, who was there to answer his questions? newbies trying to rack up post counts. what a great intro into a community.
censorship is ALWAYS negative and is a slippery slope, even if it does not seem so at first. Don't want to have to look at certain threads everytime b/c it clutters things? well put in a delete button and you won't have to. the way it looks now is that the 'troll' problem is the worlds 'drug' problem. an excuse to have more control and a reason to use it. views opposing the powers that be can be squashed without question. bitcoinforums.net has agreed to not censor at all and if things get messy, they will put in a button, that is why i prefer that sites setup.
EDIT:
that comes off as harsh, and i want to say that even though my account was banned on the night of the trolls, it has since been turned back on and the policy adjusted, so even while it has been shown that they are willing to crush accounts for opposing views, and delete threads for speaking out against them, they have shown to care about punishing the innocent, and have been able to admit when they were wrong(me being able to post again is case-in-point)
EDIT:
that comes off as harsh, and i want to say that even though my account was banned on the night of the trolls, it has since been turned back on and the policy adjusted, so even while it has been shown that they are willing to crush accounts for opposing views, and delete threads for speaking out against them, they have shown to care about punishing the innocent, and have been able to admit when they were wrong(me being able to post again is case-in-point)
I'm glad this got implemented. A forum really is a kind of community, and the best way to join a community is listen first, for a little while, then start posting a little bit (and a newbie forum is just fine for that), and then posting a little more.
It makes the mods lifes easier, and it won't really keep anyone who is seriously interested in joining the community from doing so. But it will make life much harder for spammers, idiots, people opening multiple accounts to pretend their opinion is the opinion of multiple people and other stuff that's not in the best interest of Bitcoin or the people who really care about Bitcoin.
Kudos to the forum admins for this change!
The issue with people not speaking English is a valid one, though ... maybe new people should be allowed into those forums ... and people posting English in those forums be banned after second warning ;-)
It makes the mods lifes easier, and it won't really keep anyone who is seriously interested in joining the community from doing so. But it will make life much harder for spammers, idiots, people opening multiple accounts to pretend their opinion is the opinion of multiple people and other stuff that's not in the best interest of Bitcoin or the people who really care about Bitcoin.
Kudos to the forum admins for this change!
The issue with people not speaking English is a valid one, though ... maybe new people should be allowed into those forums ... and people posting English in those forums be banned after second warning ;-)
Theres stickys posted everywhere, i don't think people need a noobie forum section
At the very least the 50 post count should be in place for starting new threads. And then there should be enough moderators floating around to see if somebody is just crap posting all over the forums.
Let the ban hammer swing.
-airdata
Let the ban hammer swing.
-airdata
No, I was watching "The Day of the Triffids" that day. You can browse the Newbie section, and I am. But:
- Someone googles on some Bitcoin subject.
- Lands in a thread here, not in the Newbie section.
- Has a useful contribution, and is willing to share it with us.
- He/She can't. At least not at the correct spot.
Can't tell how much (or little) we miss this way ofcourse.
To be honest this happened to me, I came here and posted on some stuff before they put in the restrictions, and then found myself locked out when trying to answer questions or contribute. Rather frustrating.- Someone googles on some Bitcoin subject.
- Lands in a thread here, not in the Newbie section.
- Has a useful contribution, and is willing to share it with us.
- He/She can't. At least not at the correct spot.
Can't tell how much (or little) we miss this way ofcourse.
Of course I was pretty close to being allowed to post so I just stuck around a bit longer but if I had just come here I'd probably have left in frustration.
Giving them their own day only legitimizes them more lol...
i think the noob forum is a very annoying thing for people who dont speak english.
On the other hand, this forum was starting to become unreadable amongst all the OMGBUYBUYBUYSELLSELLSELL white noise.
5 posts and 4 hours is a good balance, I think.
5 posts and 4 hours is a good balance, I think.
I think the 'newbie' forum is one of the most interesting
I think restricting newbies is a good idea. They tend to always post the same topic (Bitcoin is a scam LoL!), and usually don't understand bitcoin yet. Restricting them to a nice place with a few motivated people to teach them about bitcoin is a good idea, and it leaves this place for people with interesting things to say for people who actually understand bitcoin.
While I agree that you can learn a lot at this forum, I would be extremely interesting in the for opinion of for example people working in banks, stockexchanges, or with high degrees in Economics or Business etc etc even if they just learned about Bitcoin
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