Lets play a game of Chess - page 22.

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Your move bitcointalk. You have the black pieces

The current position is updated below

Game 2 (letsplayagame vs bitcointalk):
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 O-O 8.c3 d5 9.exd5 Nxd5 10.Nxe5 Nxe5 11.Rxe5 c6 12.d4 Bd6 13.Re1 Qh4 14.g3 Qh3 15.Re4 g5 16.Qf1 Qh5 17.f3 Bf5 18.a4 b4 19.c4 Nf6 20.Re1 Rfe8 21.Be3 c5 22.Nd2 Rxe3 23.Rxe3 cxd4 24.Ree1 d3 25.c5 Bxc5+ 26.Kh1 Rd8 27.Re5 Bh3 28.Qe1 Bd6 29.Rc1 Bxe5 30.Qxe5 Qg6 31.Rc6 Rc8 32.Rxc8+

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Rc8

Rc8: 7 votes (galdur, boolberry, ING Bank, XMRpromotions, languagehasmeaning, forgison, jjacob)
Kg7: 1 vote (Rolf Uhlhorn)
Re8: 1 vote (LucyLovesCrypto)

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Rc8

Rc8: 6 votes (galdur, boolberry, ING Bank, XMRpromotions, languagehasmeaning, forgison)
Kg7: 1 vote (Rolf Uhlhorn)
Re8: 1 vote (LucyLovesCrypto)

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Quote from: Rolf Uhlhorn on December 24, 2015, 01:12:40 PM

I still think Kg7 is only option. Maybe not h5 right away after g4, but first Re8. The white position has a weak spot with g4. We better exchange queens if our queen is only defending a pawn, and the white queen has many attacking threats. Also Re8 right away is better than Rc8. That Qf8 variant I overlooked, but saying I have no clue makes no sense.

Just trying to make suggestions, so together we find the best move. That's why I asked if I only give my move, or also give suggestions. I hope you all look at all the possibilities Kg7 gives, that was my only intention. Kg7 to me looks like our only chance.

Best case Kg7 will transpose the the line I already gave. Worst case our king will be on a slightly inferior square in the endgame. For that reason Re8 before Kg7 seems slightly more accurate and flexible as it gives us the choice below which would otherwise be missing.

Quote from: Rolf Uhlhorn on December 24, 2015, 01:12:40 PM

I still think Kg7 is only option. Maybe not h5 right away after g4, but first Re8.

30.Qxe5 Qg6
31.Rc6 Kg7
32.g4 Re8
33.Qxe8+ Nxe8
34.Rxg6+ hxg6 (34.Rxg6+ Kxg6 would not be an improvement for us because after 35.Bc4 our king would be misplaced on the b1-h7 diagonal allowing white to gain more time. 34.Rxg6+ fxg6 looks bad because of 35.Bc4 a5 36.Bxd3 h5 37.Be2 hxg4 38.fxg4 Nf6 39.Nc4)

The line above transposes to my original line except that we now have a choice of where to move our king on move 34:

30.Qxe5 Qg6
31.Rc6 Re8
32.Qxe8+ Nxe8
33.Rxg6+ hxg6
34.g4 (we now have a choice of Kg7 or Kf8 breaking the pin on our f pawn. I think Kf8 is better as a slightly faster way of centralizing our king)

Upon further inspection I have decided that this endgame (after Re8) will be a harder to draw than I originally thought (but still very possible). I have decided to vote for Rc8 instead and keep the queens on the board. The queen endgame will not be simple either so this vote is primarily a matter of taste.

Rc8: 5 votes (galdur, boolberry, ING Bank, XMRpromotions, languagehasmeaning)
Kg7: 1 vote (Rolf Uhlhorn)
Re8: 1 vote (LucyLovesCrypto)

Rolf Uhlhorn

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I still think Kg7 is only option. Maybe not h5 right away after g4, but first Re8. The white position has a weak spot with g4. We better exchange queens if our queen is only defending a pawn, and the white queen has many attacking threats. Also Re8 right away is better than Rc8. That Qf8 variant I overlooked, but saying I have no clue makes no sense.

Just trying to make suggestions, so together we find the best move. That's why I asked if I only give my move, or also give suggestions. I hope you all look at all the possibilities Kg7 gives, that was my only intention. Kg7 to me looks like our only chance.

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Quote from: XMRpromotions on December 24, 2015, 01:04:47 AM

Quote from: Rolf Uhlhorn on December 23, 2015, 05:10:43 PM

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Rc8: 3 votes (galdur, boolberry, ING Bank)

31. ... - Kg7!

Rc8: 3 votes (galdur, boolberry, ING Bank)
Kg7: one vote (Rolf Uhlhorn)

Rc8: 4 votes (galdur, boolberry, ING Bank, XMRpromotions)
Kg7: 1 vote (Rolf Uhlhorn)

I like the idea of trading queens and trying to draw the endgame.

Quote from: languagehasmeaning on December 21, 2015, 10:20:04 PM

30.Qxe5 Qg6
31.Rc6 Re8
32.Qxe8+ Nxe8
33.Rxg6+ hxg6

Both 34.Bc4 and 34.g4 should give white a small advantage but I think we have excellent chances to draw.

Rc8: 4 votes (galdur, boolberry, ING Bank, XMRpromotions)
Kg7: 1 vote (Rolf Uhlhorn)
Re8: 1 vote (LucyLovesCrypto)

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Quote from: XMRpromotions on December 24, 2015, 01:00:54 AM

We should be welcoming to everyone regardless of whether or not we like their move recommendations. Sure we may make an occasional mistake but the voting system seems to be working okay. We have avoided major blunders so far this game.

Lets try to be nicer to everyone. It is just a game:)

Vote recommendation is one thing and total crap quite another. It was the latter that broke the camel´s back. Maybe you didn´t go over those lines from the guy. He just got here, doesn´t have a fucking clue and is lecturing me. I´m not going to suffer more of the same so bye and good luck Grin

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First Kg7 Qxf6 32. Kh7 35. Qxf6 - Qf5 34. Then h6 36. Rxf6 - Re8+ - Kh7 35. Qxf6 -g4 - h5 33. gxh5 Qxf6

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Quote from: Rolf Uhlhorn on December 23, 2015, 05:10:43 PM

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Rc8: 3 votes (galdur, boolberry, ING Bank)

31. ... - Kg7!

Rc8: 3 votes (galdur, boolberry, ING Bank)
Kg7: one vote (Rolf Uhlhorn)

Rc8: 4 votes (galdur, boolberry, ING Bank, XMRpromotions)
Kg7: 1 vote (Rolf Uhlhorn)

XMRpromotions

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We should be welcoming to everyone regardless of whether or not we like their move recommendations. Sure we may make an occasional mistake but the voting system seems to be working okay. We have avoided major blunders so far this game.

Lets try to be nicer to everyone. It is just a game:)

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Quote from: galdur on December 23, 2015, 09:48:34 PM

Quote from: Rolf Uhlhorn on December 23, 2015, 09:38:48 PM

Now you are starting to get the point; Black is lost. Rook exchange at c8 won't work out. We must find something different.

And, next time in that position, don't do cxd4, but g4 immediately ... And after the pawn gets to d4, never do d3 without continuation. That pawn is lost without back-up.

Get lost you fucking moron.

Ai, that is not nice, anonymous cursing and using bad words. I see you voted for Qh4, Qh3 and then Qh5, and also for g5. That is beginners-style, like cursing and calling bad names is also for beginners.
From the moment I got here, I try to get the initiative, because our position is no good. Our Queen and Bishop were/ are in a position which are very costly and ineffective. You are to blame for that ... Just a typical beginner.
So, no, I won't go away, I like it here. Can't say I didn't try, so no use for calling names.

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Quote from: Rolf Uhlhorn on December 23, 2015, 09:38:48 PM

Now you are starting to get the point; Black is lost. Rook exchange at c8 won't work out. We must find something different.

And, next time in that position, don't do cxd4, but g4 immediately ... And after the pawn gets to d4, never do d3 without continuation. That pawn is lost without back-up.

Get lost you fucking moron.

Rolf Uhlhorn

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Now you are starting to get the point; Black is lost. Rook exchange at c8 won't work out. We must find something different.

And, next time in that position, don't do cxd4, but g4 immediately ... And after the pawn gets to d4, never do d3 without continuation. That pawn is lost without back-up.

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Quote from: Rolf Uhlhorn on December 23, 2015, 08:47:53 PM

Quote from: galdur on December 23, 2015, 05:53:20 PM

Well, I like Kg7 even less than Re8 because it allows white to play g4 right away and then black doesn´t seem to have anything better than Re8 leading to the situation I mentioned before:

Black is left with weak q-side pawns and while white´s king marches to the center and his two minor pieces start attacking those pawns, black has to spend time on freeing his bishop.

We are in for a fight after Kg7.

after 31. ... - Kg7 32. g4 - h5 33. gxh5 - Qf5 34. h6+, it is a long line, and a big fight which we will win ....

34. ... - Kg6 35. Qe7 - Rd7 36. Bxf7+ - Kh7 37. Bg8+ (Qxf6 - Rxf7) - Kg6 38. Bh7+ - Kh5 39. Bxf5 - Rxe7 40. Bxh3 - Re1+ 41. Kg2 - Re2+ 42. Kf1 - Rxd2 43. Rxf6 and we almost have a draw. Almost. If whites ands up with the white Bishop ahead and the h-pawn, it is a draw.

Maybe one of you finds another, and better, move in this line ....

Yeah, personally I´d play 37.Qf8 so as not to prolong blacks´s agony unnecessarily.

But it´s dead lost after 34.h6+ any which way. Your line is a waste of time I´m afraid.

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Quote from: galdur on December 23, 2015, 07:21:37 PM

Quote from: Rolf Uhlhorn on December 23, 2015, 07:04:43 PM

Quote from: galdur on December 23, 2015, 05:53:20 PM

Well, I like Kg7 even less than Re8 because it allows white to play g4 right away and then black doesn´t seem to have anything better than Re8 leading to the situation I mentioned before:

Black is left with weak q-side pawns and while white´s king marches to the center and his two minor pieces start attacking those pawns, black has to spend time on freeing his bishop.

After 31. ..- Kg7 32. g4 - h5. If 33. gxh5 - Qf5.

I don't like 33. Qb8 after 31. ... - Rc8 32. Rxc8 - Bxc8. We give away initiative, queenside, everything. I think we must avoid the exchange of rooks at c8. We are almost in the position that we only can 'react', in stead of act ourselves. If we start reacting, we lose ... We must have something to play for.

Well, that´s interesting wisdom...how do you plan on continuing after 34.h6+ in your line?

Or: 31. ... - Kg7 32. g4 - h5 33. gxh5 - Qf5 34. h6+ - Kh7 35. Qxf6 - Qxf6 36. Rxf6 - Re8 ..... We have to sort out the possibilities.

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Quote from: galdur on December 23, 2015, 05:53:20 PM

Well, I like Kg7 even less than Re8 because it allows white to play g4 right away and then black doesn´t seem to have anything better than Re8 leading to the situation I mentioned before:

Black is left with weak q-side pawns and while white´s king marches to the center and his two minor pieces start attacking those pawns, black has to spend time on freeing his bishop.

We are in for a fight after Kg7.

after 31. ... - Kg7 32. g4 - h5 33. gxh5 - Qf5 34. h6+, it is a long line, and a big fight which we will win ....

34. ... - Kg6 35. Qe7 - Rd7 36. Bxf7+ - Kh7 37. Bg8+ (Qxf6 - Rxf7) - Kg6 38. Bh7+ - Kh5 39. Bxf5 - Rxe7 40. Bxh3 - Re1+ 41. Kg2 - Re2+ 42. Kf1 - Rxd2 43. Rxf6 and we almost have a draw. Almost. If whites ands up with the white Bishop ahead and the h-pawn, it is a draw.

Maybe one of you finds another, and better, move in this line ....

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Quote from: Rolf Uhlhorn on December 23, 2015, 07:04:43 PM

Quote from: galdur on December 23, 2015, 05:53:20 PM

Well, I like Kg7 even less than Re8 because it allows white to play g4 right away and then black doesn´t seem to have anything better than Re8 leading to the situation I mentioned before:

Black is left with weak q-side pawns and while white´s king marches to the center and his two minor pieces start attacking those pawns, black has to spend time on freeing his bishop.

After 31. ..- Kg7 32. g4 - h5. If 33. gxh5 - Qf5.

I don't like 33. Qb8 after 31. ... - Rc8 32. Rxc8 - Bxc8. We give away initiative, queenside, everything. I think we must avoid the exchange of rooks at c8. We are almost in the position that we only can 'react', in stead of act ourselves. If we start reacting, we lose ... We must have something to play for.

Well, that´s interesting wisdom...how do you plan on continuing after 34.h6+ in your line?

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Quote from: galdur on December 23, 2015, 05:53:20 PM

Well, I like Kg7 even less than Re8 because it allows white to play g4 right away and then black doesn´t seem to have anything better than Re8 leading to the situation I mentioned before:

Black is left with weak q-side pawns and while white´s king marches to the center and his two minor pieces start attacking those pawns, black has to spend time on freeing his bishop.

After 31. ..- Kg7 32. g4 - h5. If 33. gxh5 - Qf5.

I don't like 33. Qb8 after 31. ... - Rc8 32. Rxc8 - Bxc8. We give away initiative, queenside, everything. I think we must avoid the exchange of rooks at c8. We are almost in the position that we only can 'react', in stead of act ourselves. If we start reacting, we lose ... We must have something to play for.

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Well, I like Kg7 even less than Re8 because it allows white to play g4 right away and then black doesn´t seem to have anything better than Re8 leading to the situation I mentioned before:

Black is left with weak q-side pawns and while white´s king marches to the center and his two minor pieces start attacking those pawns, black has to spend time on freeing his bishop.

Rolf Uhlhorn

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Rc8: 3 votes (galdur, boolberry, ING Bank)

31. ... - Kg7!

Rc8: 3 votes (galdur, boolberry, ING Bank)
Kg7: one vote (Rolf Uhlhorn)

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