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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on November 29, 2022, 04:15:11 PM

To enjoy the real benefits of bitcoin investments, you must plan up for covering 3 to 5 cycles of bitcoin markets. Waiting period of more than 10 years may sound unrealistic to many people but I like to suggest them to google to know about the real power of decade long holding of famous stocks.

Yeah you are right stocks take a longtime to mature for sell and sometimes bonds too. Sometimes people even forget that they have shares they bought, some invest in shares as youth to cash out out old age or retirement age.

You know people don't really like the waiting aspect of cryptocurrency, they feel it is just a quick money bonanza and don't understand that you actually need to wait for it to grab the fat profit. I think however that in cryptocurrency we can do a systematic investment during the time halving is closer Grin

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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on November 29, 2022, 04:15:11 PM

I do see people come here and declare themselves as long term holders of bitcoin because they are holding for weeks to months; they are right because previously they were into intraday or sessional/trend trading which may not last for more than six months.

But, bitcoin's cycle is 4 year long which means your long term should cover at least one full cycle of bitcoin markets.

To enjoy the real benefits of bitcoin investments, you must plan up for covering 3 to 5 cycles of bitcoin markets. Waiting period of more than 10 years may sound unrealistic to many people but I like to suggest them to google to know about the real power of decade long holding of famous stocks.

Yeah, there were stocks which transformed long term holders to multi-millionaires for the investment of $100 to $1000. Luckily, we do not have to break our head to find the right stock for long term holding in this crypto space; it is only bitcoin but to get 1000x returns, we must learn patience.

For the people, who argue that they cannot lock $1000 for year then they should plan up for $50 or $100; that is very basic. If we stick with basics of investments then we can easily convert deep bear markets of bitcoin into moderate ones.

Broadly speaking the Bear market is a threat to people who hate blood in the market and makes them afraid of losing their money and going into a panic sell, but there are those who make it an opportunity to increase the load or start investing in Bitcoin, I don't think it's necessary to wait until 10 years to reap enough profits doi Bitcoin, I can say it's very good patience or greed.
The DCA strategy starts from now on investing $ 1000 per month in 2023 until the halving time in 2024, it is enough to make profits, although not a thousand times.
If you want a sizable return you have to make a large and regular investment from now on.

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On the other hand, in this case, when we talk about long-term investment, we actually don't need to worry too much about the decline now, because we know that this is only temporary and won't interfere with your long-term plans, because if you talk about the long term, of course we've also been targeting this for a long time. not a few years so that the current decline should not be too much of a panic.
On the other hand, I don't want to be too naive in this matter because I personally am still bothered by candles and my bad habit of always checking in a day at least a day which makes me feel that when there is a little profit I want to go straight away even though my plan is at least until 2024 .

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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on November 29, 2022, 04:15:11 PM

To enjoy the real benefits of bitcoin investments, you must plan up for covering 3 to 5 cycles of bitcoin markets. Waiting period of more than 10 years may sound unrealistic to many people but I like to suggest them to google to know about the real power of decade long holding of famous stocks.

You must be Satoshi himself to try that. We're looking at 12 to 20 years for a 3-5 Bitcoin cycle here with the awareness that a cycle is four years (rightly so when we consider its halving period). For me, a long term hodl is two years. That's hodl stoically for two years without touching my stack. The two years will be from two years post-halving to the present halving year. For instance, at hand is the period I'm referring to. Buying now to sell off in 2024. Then repeat the process in 2026.

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Long term holding is the best way to profit out of cryptocurrency. Holding varies between users, and one need to set their own holding time period. To me atleast 3 years of holding will bring profit on the investment. Every investment brings profit in the long term. With bitcoin this is a proven fact, and halving plays big role in holding of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.

With every investment there'll be risk, to experience the best out of the cryptocurrency investment patience is the key rule.

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To truly enjoy the benefit, yes one should just invest and hold for years and the timing of this bear bottom is the right moment to invest. After investing, let the 2025 bear market pass and wait again for the next bull. After this, I think the user will not panic anymore even if the price dips to 80% again.

Users claimed to be long-term holders, they probably just kept some on exchanges that they also trade to accumulate. Can't miss the opportunity.

There will always be panic during bear market, and that a normal scenario on any marker, the next bear will just be the same but on a different price level. The bear cycle is about to end, we have to grab this opportunity now and make some good investment, the next 3 years will all about recovery and probably bull market might finally come. If you are doing your thing now, buying Bitcoin and just hold it for a year, then you’re doing the right thing.

That's because there will always be new people that will enter here and the next bear can be their first bear so it's normal that they will worry or panic. We can't tell if the price level is going to differ on the next bear but there are possibilities that previous lows can return. On this bear that we have this year, we already hit different lows from the previous years.

The price is now starting to rise again so maybe you are right that this can be a sign that the bear market is about to end. Those who enter earlier are I think already done buying but there might still be new here. They better hurry up now. There must be surprises this December and then the rest will just continue next year.

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In my personal opinion, the ideal investment and get a real return is.
Short Term: Less than 1 year.
Medium term: Less than 5 years.
Long term: 10 years and above.
and when we decide to make a long-term investment, we must be prepared not to touch the funds for at least the next 10 years or a predetermined investment period with high consistency, and study the investments that are well and correctly selected, and also thorough. so that we are ready to fluctuate.
And what is no less important, before preparing for a long-term investment is to prepare an emergency fund in advance that can meet the basic needs of life, such as savings or other ideas so that investment plans are not disrupted.
and long term investing always take advantage of every dips to buy and increase holdings of every dips and this is the most important thing, because this is the best way and also the opportunity to increase profits in time.

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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on November 29, 2022, 04:15:11 PM

To enjoy the real benefits of bitcoin investments, you must plan up for covering 3 to 5 cycles of bitcoin markets. Waiting period of more than 10 years may sound unrealistic to many people but I like to suggest them to google to know about the real power of decade long holding of famous stocks.

This is how it should be to call ourselves a long term investors. As you've said, to enjoy the real benefit of investing in Bitcoin, one must able to endure holding for 4 years cycle (or decade if possible) and never get tempted to sell since you have a goal.

However we know many of us can't hold for years even they're saying that they are a long term hodlers. The common reason is, we already need the money or blinded by the sudden pump not knowing the price will increase further. Well, there's nothing wrong if we already take profit but it just shows that you're not firm enough to be a long term investor.

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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on November 29, 2022, 04:15:11 PM

I do see people come here and declare themselves as long term holders of bitcoin because they are holding for weeks to months; they are right because previously they were into intraday or sessional/trend trading which may not last for more than six months.

But, bitcoin's cycle is 4 year long which means your long term should cover at least one full cycle of bitcoin markets.

For some though, it might be long enough, maybe they are just looking for how much money they are going to profit. So instead of looking for long term investment, if they see that they have reach their target profit then they will just sell. Or there could be circumstances that investors will have to sell for reasons like emergency and personal.

Of course to enjoy profits and benefits from our investment we should wait for a bit longer or at least experience a full cycle.

But I guess everyone of us here are very different in our goals and others sell on how they see fit.

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Yeah, at least one full cycle will be a good hold, or just test how your mentally as far as your crypto investment goes.

So it's going to be 4 years and for sure there will be challenges for us, as we will see the price really going nosedive in the bear market and for some, it's really hard to see our portfolio and wallet going down. So the bear market start this year, so more likely 2025 will be the time that you will likely going to sell, assuming that you have accumulate today 2022 till 2024 at least.

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That's DCA is the suggested strategy for everybody whether you're a newbie or not. I also understand that long term in stocks is certainly long term and the gains are not that tremendous as what we're seeing in bitcoin.

I can understand how patient the people and investors there because when they say long term, they really mean it that it's an actual long term of holding and investing.

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I would agree that in order to consider yourself a long term holder of Bitcoin you have to hold through at least one 4-year cycle. I’m not talking being in Bitcoin but trading in and out and trying to sell the highs and buy the lows. I’m talking owning Bitcoin that hasn’t moved for 4 years. If you’ve done that, you can consider yourself a long term holder and bear market survivor.

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Quote from: cabron on November 30, 2022, 11:38:12 AM

To truly enjoy the benefit, yes one should just invest and hold for years and the timing of this bear bottom is the right moment to invest. After investing, let the 2025 bear market pass and wait again for the next bull. After this, I think the user will not panic anymore even if the price dips to 80% again.

Users claimed to be long-term holders, they probably just kept some on exchanges that they also trade to accumulate. Can't miss the opportunity.

There will always be panic during bear market, and that a normal scenario on any marker, the next bear will just be the same but on a different price level. The bear cycle is about to end, we have to grab this opportunity now and make some good investment, the next 3 years will all about recovery and probably bull market might finally come. If you are doing your thing now, buying Bitcoin and just hold it for a year, then you’re doing the right thing.

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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on November 29, 2022, 04:15:11 PM

But, bitcoin's cycle is 4 year long which means your long term should cover at least one full cycle of bitcoin markets.

To enjoy the real benefits of bitcoin investments, you must plan up for covering 3 to 5 cycles of bitcoin markets. Waiting period of more than 10 years may sound unrealistic to many people but I like to suggest them to google to know about the real power of decade long holding of famous stocks.

It's good enough to make a long-term bitcoin investment scheme, but you also have to pay attention to the amount of investment made. For example holding five or ten years, meaning that bitcoin purchases can be made in accordance with the accumulation of capital owned, either using a gradual purchase formula or adjusting to ongoing market prices. Thus bitcoin holdings on long term targets will find great gains.

If we look at the growth of bitcoin, then the four year cycle will reach the next ATH in the current year, then we will most likely enter proper accumulation in the next five or ten year holding period. As long as we have the ability to remain patient and not panic when market conditions weaken.

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To truly enjoy the benefit, yes one should just invest and hold for years and the timing of this bear bottom is the right moment to invest. After investing, let the 2025 bear market pass and wait again for the next bull. After this, I think the user will not panic anymore even if the price dips to 80% again.

Users claimed to be long-term holders, they probably just kept some on exchanges that they also trade to accumulate. Can't miss the opportunity.

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Quote from: yhiaali3 on November 30, 2022, 04:29:29 AM

Perhaps 10 years is a long waiting period for many people due to the short human life, but your words are accurate in view of the investments that have achieved great successes and heights during a period of 10 years (including Bitcoin, of course), but in my opinion, the amount of investment in the long term should be rather large So worth the wait so long.
Also, the investment should be with money that you do not need only, otherwise you will find yourself forced to sell (even if it is at a loss) at the first financial problem you encounter.

Not to mention unexpected circumstances which is why for me, it is not surprising to know that there are people selling their assets inspite of their plan of holding it for decades. Indeed, the money one should invest should be also an amount he can disregard no matter what happen but things just don't work as simple as that. There will be instances wherein investors would be 'forced' to sell in order to solve problems on ither aspects or concerns. 10years is a long interval and there are many things that may happen during that period. With that, I think long term holding simply means hold as long as you can; no exact span.

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The problem does not lie in the ten years or more, but for you from time you can smooth without touching your reserves. How long can you live the life of poverty and you have thousands of investments in Bitcoin or others.

Also, bitcoin may not appear perfect as investment for all time or at least short term. For example, it is impossible for Bitcoin to rise several times during the next six months, so buying now or until the next April/2023 may not make Bitcoin rise strongly.

In the end, without an investment plan, you will not achieve profits.

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Perhaps 10 years is a long waiting period for many people due to the short human life, but your words are accurate in view of the investments that have achieved great successes and heights during a period of 10 years (including Bitcoin, of course), but in my opinion, the amount of investment in the long term should be rather large So worth the wait so long.
Also, the investment should be with money that you do not need only, otherwise you will find yourself forced to sell (even if it is at a loss) at the first financial problem you encounter.

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Everyone has basic criteria in designing investments, one of which is knowing coins that have good potential in the long term, risks and fluctuations cannot be ignored, because these are directly related to investments that involve capital. Bitcoin is one of the most talked about, not only for those who take part in investments, another reason may be because bitcoin has advantages in protecting investment values.

If the long-term accumulation is 5 to 10 years, then investing in bitcoin will be the best in providing benefits, without ignoring the risks and fluctuations that will occur along the way.

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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on November 29, 2022, 04:15:11 PM

To enjoy the real benefits of bitcoin investments, you must plan up for covering 3 to 5 cycles of bitcoin markets. Waiting period of more than 10 years may sound unrealistic to many people but I like to suggest them to google to know about the real power of decade long holding of famous stocks.

Its all about timing. New technologies always end up with market bubles. Same was with internet and dotcom bubble. If you invested in amazon in 1999, you doubled in 0.5 year, but than after a crash you went underwater for a decade to 2010.

same was with intel but you break even after 20 years.

Not even talking about stock of companies that failed during bear market (90% of them failed)

So now is the question where is bitcoin. Maybe we have 1 more cycle, maybe 2, maybe 0. What if I tell you, we are about to enter a 3 wave bear market 2021-2031 after a 3 wave bull market, that we just ended (2009-2021)

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