Topic: Libertarians -- where are they now? - page 4. (Read 873 times)

Happy to see your post, thank you GazetaBitcoin,


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I also read Atlas Shrugged many years ago, and have never fully recovered from the experience.  
Yes: I've studied many of the old threads, and this forum was overwhelmed with greed in the summer of 2011, the first big BTC bull market.
No: Bitcoin is not only another way for CEX owners to fill their pockets, the future is still bright, in some ways.
Yes: Many do remember its libertarian principles, many of the old-timers probably hang out on Reddit, for example, because they don't like it here anymore, or do not want to be seen around BCT as a "wealthy early participant."

On the bright side, participating in this community can still teach people about decentralization, some degree of freedom, etc. even if it is not obviously Libertarian.

Who said that? Anarchism and crypto-anarchism (that was mentioned by OP) are not the same things, you might wanna read up on the latter.

There is nothing anarchist or lawless about Bitcoin. Anarchy is simply a foolish ideology promoted by deranged minds which Satoshi, a smart man, has nothing to do with. Bitcoin has rules (which is strictly obeyed by the community) of which without, anyone can do whatever he/she want like the worthless and satanic anarchy seeks to enthroned.

I wonder who will survive if the World or humans bodies exist in anarchy. Same as Bitcoin, it will completely crumble if it's ruled by anarchy, choas or lawlessness.
By the way, the Bitcoin is already in good hands and will never succumb to cheap and worthless blackmail.

Well, I'm still here (but not as active as I used to be), though I seem to have drifted more towards geolibertarianism/anarcho-mutualism while most others have instead revealed themselves to be neoconservatives who want to legalise pot. I'm not entirely sure why that happened, or why they claimed to be libertarians in the first place. I guess they thought conservatism and libertarianism are the same thing except for social issues, which (aside from drugs) they inexplicably forgot were a thing until recent events brought social justice to the mainstream.

Case in point:
Nobody even mentioned gender issues in this thread, but of course no conservative can resist making an issue out of it where none exists. Gotta mock gender ideology at every opportunity to keep those SJWs in their place, or whatever.

"we want gender equality"
(ideal is females paid fairly)

end political result to sidestep and avoid the issues "what is female.  there is no binary genders. everyone is unique"

libertariansim
businesses call themselves libertarians by not wanting regulation or to not have to comply with consumer protections. .. or is that capitalism.. soo confusing(satire)

well, some people make the bizarre claim that 20^thC socialism as we know it and Bitcoin are genuine bedfellows. Perhaps one of these 'alt' flavors of anarchism might work in some fashion. not so interested in them, but as long as they mind their own business, it's neither here nor there to me if they try it out.

I lost interest in talking about the concepts; it is what it is, and arguing about it is to fall into re-creating the problems of politics, but with new labels for the groups. I did it myself really just now; I firmly state that entering into a discussion where divisions of libertarian doctrine are discussed is exactly what an opponent of libertarian ideas would like to see. It's not that hard to state the basics plainly, so arguing about the basics for any reason falls into the "don't care whether trolling or stupid" category

when any product/asset shows good profitability, competition of capitalism will come in to take that opportunity

because bitcoin showed a 100x spike from 2010-2011 (0.30-$30)
because bitcoin showed a 4x spike from 2012(post ATH $3-$12)
because bitcoin showed a 100x spike from 2012-2013($12-$1200)

capitalists jumped in and started investing.
(2013+ asics, exchanges, regulation, sponsored developers)

We all Some still remember that Bitcoin was built based on a libertarian and crypto-anarchic ideology. Although Satoshi only rarely referred directly to politics or libertarianism, he expressed Bitcoin's spirit in various, subtle ways. Maybe the best example is the very message embedded into Genesis block: "Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks". After Bitcoin was created he also offered us this forum. Indeed, it was hosted on another site back then, but it still was "Satoshi's forum".

Many users / individuals back then understood the libertarian and crypto-anarchic views of Bitcoin and they embraced them. Many were also well educated and used to read books written by Ayn Rand or by well known economists which followed Austrian School, such as Murray Rothbard, Friedrich August von Hayek or Ludwig von Mises. (Did you know that even Ross Ulbricht was a passionate libertarian and a very educated person? Among others, the secret word he used to identify himself when he used to talk to DPR was Murray Rothbard -- ever thought of that?)

I, myself, had the chance to put my hands on Ayn Rand's magnum opus Atlas Shrugged, a book of 1356 pages, which is considered, by American readers, the second most influential book, after the Bible.



And I could not let the book from my hands until I finished reading it. It is impressive and, most important, the real message is not expressed by the fiction presented inside the book, but through what you read between the lines...

After I found this forum I used to find so many libertarian topics, written in the past. Or topics written by anarchists or crypto-anarchists. Many of them were very interesting, such as:

- Quick guide to becoming a libertarian... -- written in 2011
- Send all the libertarians to prison and beat it out of them -- written in 2011
- Libertarianism and externalities -- written in 2011.

And the list can go on.

But nowadays you can't see any new topics anymore on these matters. I found a few (and very interesting) ones, which were written in 2020:

- Murray Rothbard Quotes on Libertarianism, Economics, and Freedom
- Ayn Rand Quotes on Capitalism, Government, Philosophy, and More
- Friedrich A. Hayek Quotes on Socialism, Economics, and More.

And I think that the lack of such topics / subjects is a loss, a loss not felt directly, but indirectly. This is because Bitcoin was built on libertarianism and crypto-anarchism. You can't have it wihtout these concepts.

Therefore, I ask: Libertarians -- where are they now? Crypto-anarchists -- where are they now? Where are you now?

Was our Bitcoin completely surrounded and overwhelmed only by those which are greedy and see inside it only a way to get rich? Is our Bitcoin only another way for CEX owners to fill their pockets? Doesn't anyone remember its libertarian principles...?

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