Topic: Liberty Dollars held by collectors subject to seizure as contraband - page 2. (Read 6556 times)

That's not the point at all. They are trying to frame it as a valid currency, and that isn't legal in the US

Yes, they were very very similar. Liberty dollar 5 dollar note vs Federal Reserve 5 dollar note:



You would need a modern forensic team to be able to diferentiate them. 

he calls it dollars and makes them in such a way that they are similar to real US dollars. That makes them counterfit in the eyes of the US. This is clearly the case because thats why they ruled them illegal.

Anyone who has read the details of the case know it is a complete sham. Liberty Dollars do not resemble US currency, and are not counterfeit (heck, the first time I saw a generic 1-oz. silver piece copying the obverse of the US silver Eagle, but not the reverse, I thought that was illegal. But apparently it's not, they're sold and collected everyday and no one gets "confused.")

And calling them dollars? Seriously folks? A good primer for real info: money: Understanding and Creating Alternatives to Legal Tender by Thomas H. Greco, Jr. Really gets into the history of this. Fascinating read.

Bernard von NotHaus should win on appeal, although as screwed up as the US legal system has been lately, there's certainly no guarantee. (Clearly the Fed hates the people having their own, valuable money.)

YES they are fraudulent because they are called dollars.


we have many currencies in the us, mostly things like college currencies designed to give parents a way to give their kids money that they cant spend in bars or on drugs, but we have many currencies, NONE call themselves dollars, they are bucks, or something else, but not dollars.


It can confuse, dont think the only dollar is the dollar bill we have the Eisenhower dollar, the  Sacagawea dollar, you cant call your new coin a dollar.
from another link



you also cant mint coins no matter what they are called, but I find this law a bit weaker as they dont seem to enforce it against various arcades and parks which issue tokens to play with

So they are fraudulent because they are called liberty dollars?

Fraudulent.  The could be called Liberty Doubloons, Liberty Rands or Liberty Coins or any name other than dollar. 

Fraudulent? or illegal?

I like to see how they enforce this.

+1

The USA has a right to protect itself from fraudulent currency.

Liberty Dollars held by collectors subject to seizure as contraband

http://www.coinworld.com/articles/liberty-dollars-may-be-subject-to-seizure/

Liberty Dollars held by collectors may be subject to seizure as contraband by federal law enforcement, officials with the U.S. Attorney's Office and Secret Service said Aug. 24. It seems that new statements by those two federal law enforcement agencies reverse the position released from the United States Attorney's Office in Charlotte, N.C., and published by Coin World in April.

The new article quotes Jill Rose, chief of the criminal division for the U.S. Attorney's Office in Charlotte, N.C., and the prosecutor who convicted Bernard von NotHaus that the Liberty Dollar medallions are confiscable as contraband regardless if they are being exhibited for educational purposes only.

The most telling new statement in the article comes from the US Secret Service. On Aug. 24, in addition to speaking with Rose, Coin World talked separately with Glen Kessler, assistant special agent in charge in North Carolina for the U.S. Secret Service. Kessler subsequently conferred with his Secret Service superiors as to the potential confiscation and informed Coin World that because the publication has a worldwide audience, he had to defer additional comments to the U.S. Secret Service Office of Public Affairs. George Ogilvie, the public affairs officer for the U.S. Secret Service in Washington, D.C., said Aug. 25 the bureau had no comment on Liberty Dollar and indicated that Coin World would have to call back in a few weeks.