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Topic: Life after Silk Road: how the darknet drugs market is booming - page 2. (Read 2631 times)

sr. member
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It seems Silk Road II already has more drugs for sale than Silk Road I ever had: www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/30/silk-road_n_5241316.html

The cops must feel pretty frustrated. It's like fighting the mythical hydra, you cut one head, but instantly two new emerge.

i don't know, the original SR was down for some time, and the wasn't any true contender except for the current SR 2.0.. i wonder if they caught the new SR 2.0 guys, whether a new service similar to SR 2.0 would erect.
legendary
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Nothing like healthy scepticism and hard evidence
It seems Silk Road II already has more drugs for sale than Silk Road I ever had: www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/30/silk-road_n_5241316.html

The cops must feel pretty frustrated. It's like fighting the mythical hydra, you cut one head, but instantly two new emerge.
legendary
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amarha

<< Buying drugs and weapons online is far easier since the closure of Silk Road in 2013, after a dozen new sites have taken its place. >>


As long as drugs are prohibited the rewards fr operating this type of market are going to be greater than the risk of running them. At least I can imagine that's how people who have the will and capability of running such a market are going to see it.

And after reading how careless DPR was and how his actions lead to his arrest, I can't help but think anyone who attempts to do a similar project in the future will be appropriately cautious with their identity. I'd say it's far more likely that a site would go down due to a hack or a theft than due to law enforcement, despite their success with the original silk road.
legendary
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Nothing like healthy scepticism and hard evidence
The regulation on drugs remember me the American alcohol prohibition. It was a complete failure and developed organized crime, like the mafia.

But it seems we can't learn from our past mistakes. The only lesson we learn from history is that history repeats it self time and time, we just forget it and do it all again.
legendary
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I couldn't care less for any kind of drugs, but if I had to buy in a street, I guess that could be an adventure.

Anyway, everyone knows about himself. I have serious doubts about the legitimacy and wiseness of State control of these things.
I guess because at the core of the "war on drugs" and various laws on the subject, there is or once was a genuine desire to improve the health and well being of society, other avenues that seemingly present good outcomes should be carefully examined.

EG, these claims that buying from SilkRoadies are safer than the street.

Then again, I always thought SR was just a giant DEA honeypot, but what do I know...
legendary
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Nothing like healthy scepticism and hard evidence
I couldn't care less for any kind of drugs, but if I had to buy in a street, I guess that could be an adventure.

Anyway, everyone knows about himself. I have serious doubts about the legitimacy and wiseness of State control of these things.
sr. member
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I just actually read this wich is very on topic:
http://www.coindesk.com/study-silk-road-may-have-reduced-drug-violence/

I wonder if we'll see the big cartels doing DOS on Silk road or denouncing their owners to the police (or doing worst) in order to end online competition.

Anonymity might be helpful not only against the police.

I don't think so

there's one advantage of getting drugs from dealers instead of online

you get the stuff right away instead of waiting for 30 days or so

there will always be people who want the stuff right away

dealers will remain

Yes there will probably will always be dealers, even with silkroad.
I mean I live in The Netherlands where I can buy weed at a coffeeshop, but I still buy at a dealer.
Just because I know them personal, and they are closer, faster and cheaper then the coffeshop
But I hope the really bad drugdealers (those prepared to kill for drugs/money) will die because of silkroad (probably not)
Because you have some really good and nice drugdealers, that also just want to make money and not harm anyone (mostly Marijuana dealers)
legendary
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I wonder if we'll see the big cartels doing DOS on Silk road or denouncing their owners to the police (or doing worst) in order to end online competition.

Anonymity might be helpful not only against the police.
Personal disclaimer:  I haven't done any drugs in a long time during which the world has gotten way crazier and weirder than it ever looked when I was high, so why should I change things?

LOL

...so who said the cartels were not working with the DEA/other alphabet?  As I recall at the core of the Fast and Furious gun running program was moving heavy weapons to one cartel instead of another.

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I wonder if we'll see the big cartels doing DOS on Silk road or denouncing their owners to the police (or doing worst) in order to end online competition.

Anonymity might be helpful not only against the police.

I don't think so

there's one advantage of getting drugs from dealers instead of online

you get the stuff right away instead of waiting for 30 days or so

there will always be people who want the stuff right away

dealers will remain
legendary
Activity: 1455
Merit: 1033
Nothing like healthy scepticism and hard evidence
I wonder if we'll see the big cartels doing DOS on Silk road or denouncing their owners to the police (or doing worst) in order to end online competition.

Anonymity might be helpful not only against the police.
legendary
Activity: 2912
Merit: 1386
I don't have any personal qualms about people buying whatever they want online. In the case of something going wrong however you have no recourse to recover your bit coin.

i don't support child pornography or selling illegal firearms/weapons.. those don't really have a net positive effect, but the the darknet drugs do have a help. history has shown that you can't defeat drugs, but what you can do is.. not make things worse.

You will never eradicate all of it. Child porn will always be out there for the sickos that want to find it. Firearms are simply tools with no morality to them.

i'm not talking about eradication though.. i just don't support those two things like i do with drug trade.
I hear there are some vigilante groups sprang up in Mexico, fighting the drug gangs that have taken over and terrorized their land.  These groups use illegal firearms, and they shoot them.  They don't just wave them around.

Well, just a note.  There are some people who would disagree with you on drugs, and disagree with you on firearms.

I guess though they might AGREE with you on the darknet drugs as and if it eroded the cartal power base.  But that's evidence of a wider problem, as Mexico can't even get the Ebay economy functioning across it's borders.  In other words, Mexico can't operate "darknet drug sales", because it can't even trade simple crap with Ebay with US consumers.  Thus a corrupt country, with corruption at the borders regarding goods in and out, destroys not just simple everyday cases of free trade, but also the specific issue you cite of the "benefits of darknet drugs", and assists the drug cartals in their power grabs.

Neither are we any better with the "war against drugs" and the agencies founded and funded with such an ill defined mission profile.



we're not talking about mexico as a consumer of drugs though. we are talking about it as being an exporter of it.
Right, I understand that.  What I am saying is that you are not likely to see "darknet drug trade" from that direction, because trade is fundamentally all screwed up down there.  That's the vacuum that the drug cartals filled.
sr. member
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I don't have any personal qualms about people buying whatever they want online. In the case of something going wrong however you have no recourse to recover your bit coin.

i don't support child pornography or selling illegal firearms/weapons.. those don't really have a net positive effect, but the the darknet drugs do have a help. history has shown that you can't defeat drugs, but what you can do is.. not make things worse.

You will never eradicate all of it. Child porn will always be out there for the sickos that want to find it. Firearms are simply tools with no morality to them.

i'm not talking about eradication though.. i just don't support those two things like i do with drug trade.
I hear there are some vigilante groups sprang up in Mexico, fighting the drug gangs that have taken over and terrorized their land.  These groups use illegal firearms, and they shoot them.  They don't just wave them around.

Well, just a note.  There are some people who would disagree with you on drugs, and disagree with you on firearms.

I guess though they might AGREE with you on the darknet drugs as and if it eroded the cartal power base.  But that's evidence of a wider problem, as Mexico can't even get the Ebay economy functioning across it's borders.  In other words, Mexico can't operate "darknet drug sales", because it can't even trade simple crap with Ebay with US consumers.  Thus a corrupt country, with corruption at the borders regarding goods in and out, destroys not just simple everyday cases of free trade, but also the specific issue you cite of the "benefits of darknet drugs", and assists the drug cartals in their power grabs.

Neither are we any better with the "war against drugs" and the agencies founded and funded with such an ill defined mission profile.



we're not talking about mexico as a consumer of drugs though. we are talking about it as being an exporter of it.
sr. member
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Ofcourse once people have seen how easy it is to buy drugs from anywhere anonymously with bitcoins.
They dont want to go back to the old way, Once the toothpaste is out of the tube it cant go back!
Atleast drugdealers are honest about there product online, because there are alot of reviewers that can say you have a bad product.
And the violence on the streets is must be also decreasing because of that, but there will always be some people that dont like this like big cartels in Mexico.
There income is lower because of this so they want to change that.
legendary
Activity: 2912
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I don't have any personal qualms about people buying whatever they want online. In the case of something going wrong however you have no recourse to recover your bit coin.

i don't support child pornography or selling illegal firearms/weapons.. those don't really have a net positive effect, but the the darknet drugs do have a help. history has shown that you can't defeat drugs, but what you can do is.. not make things worse.

You will never eradicate all of it. Child porn will always be out there for the sickos that want to find it. Firearms are simply tools with no morality to them.

i'm not talking about eradication though.. i just don't support those two things like i do with drug trade.
I hear there are some vigilante groups sprang up in Mexico, fighting the drug gangs that have taken over and terrorized their land.  These groups use illegal firearms, and they shoot them.  They don't just wave them around.

Well, just a note.  There are some people who would disagree with you on drugs, and disagree with you on firearms.

I guess though they might AGREE with you on the darknet drugs as and if it eroded the cartal power base.  But that's evidence of a wider problem, as Mexico can't even get the Ebay economy functioning across it's borders.  In other words, Mexico can't operate "darknet drug sales", because it can't even trade simple crap with Ebay with US consumers.  Thus a corrupt country, with corruption at the borders regarding goods in and out, destroys not just simple everyday cases of free trade, but also the specific issue you cite of the "benefits of darknet drugs", and assists the drug cartals in their power grabs.

Neither are we any better with the "war against drugs" and the agencies founded and funded with such an ill defined mission profile.

sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
I don't have any personal qualms about people buying whatever they want online. In the case of something going wrong however you have no recourse to recover your bit coin.

i don't support child pornography or selling illegal firearms/weapons.. those don't really have a net positive effect, but the the darknet drugs do have a help. history has shown that you can't defeat drugs, but what you can do is.. not make things worse.

You will never eradicate all of it. Child porn will always be out there for the sickos that want to find it. Firearms are simply tools with no morality to them.

i'm not talking about eradication though.. i just don't support those two things like i do with drug trade.
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 250
I don't have any personal qualms about people buying whatever they want online. In the case of something going wrong however you have no recourse to recover your bit coin.

i don't support child pornography or selling illegal firearms/weapons.. those don't really have a net positive effect, but the the darknet drugs do have a help. history has shown that you can't defeat drugs, but what you can do is.. not make things worse.

You will never eradicate all of it. Child porn will always be out there for the sickos that want to find it. Firearms are simply tools with no morality to them.
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
I don't have any personal qualms about people buying whatever they want online. In the case of something going wrong however you have no recourse to recover your bit coin.

i don't support child pornography or selling illegal firearms/weapons.. those don't really have a net positive effect, but the the darknet drugs do have a help. history has shown that you can't defeat drugs, but what you can do is.. not make things worse.
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 250
I don't have any personal qualms about people buying whatever they want online. In the case of something going wrong however you have no recourse to recover your bit coin.
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
one major benefit of darknet drug markets: consistency. a vendor has to keep up with his reputation on purity, so people are less likely to get bad stuff that they might OD on. not to mention it would weaken the drug cartels.
legendary
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Ah didn't see it. Apologize for any malfeance on my part. I thought you were just quoting his text on having money on a black marketplace just for posterity.
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