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Topic: Lighting Network is a BANK'S TRAP? - page 2. (Read 295 times)

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February 14, 2018, 06:32:56 PM
#7
Until lightning network is going to launch no one can predit what is really is and how it is going to work because there arent a lot of informations about it so it is hard to even speak about it. It is possible that banks are behind network lightning and they want to take control of bitcoin but it is hard to belive that they went that far and they are going to create such a big project when banks dont even care very much about bitcoin.
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February 14, 2018, 06:22:08 PM
#6
So he's making the argument that only banks have Bitcoin to open a channel with. That's a rather ludicrous starting point to build an argument from. There's a lot of this sort of FUD about mainly from those that support Bcash. It really doesn't make any sense and is trying to distract from the fact that if you attempt to scale simply by ever increasing blocksize eventually you end up in the situation where only large supercomputers in data centres will be able to run as nodes.


But he has some truth in it as well. As from what I read, to get into top 15% holders, you only need 15BTC, which means, that majority of people have way less than that... So how much does it actually take to run a lighting network node?

This is one of the funniest argument I ever heard, really, I literally laughing about the top 15% arguments. As what others have said, you can easily open a payment channel and that's it, no need to be technical here.

And you know what's more funnier? We even haven't implemented it yet, but you can see there's a lot of FUD going around now. Just imagine when its been rolled out, we might see countless threads bashing LN and hundred of arguments against it.
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Vires in Numeris
February 14, 2018, 05:37:32 PM
#5
So he's making the argument that only banks have Bitcoin to open a channel with. That's a rather ludicrous starting point to build an argument from. There's a lot of this sort of FUD about mainly from those that support Bcash. It really doesn't make any sense and is trying to distract from the fact that if you attempt to scale simply by ever increasing blocksize eventually you end up in the situation where only large supercomputers in data centres will be able to run as nodes.


But he has some truth in it as well. As from what I read, to get into top 15% holders, you only need 15BTC, which means, that majority of people have way less than that... So how much does it actually take to run a lighting network node?
Why to be top 15%? Makes no sense for me. Do you think that it will be only the top 15% who can earn on the (really small) transaction fees of the lightning network? If there will be fees at all in the beginning? Guys are running LN nodes on Raspberry PIs and opening channels with the amount of 0,01 or 0,05 BTC just for testing purposes now, so to start a node and be the part of the network is not a big deal at the moment. Maybe in the future there will be a need for big and reliable nodes to route the transactions with a high amount of BTC, but to maintain a bigger hub will cost real money and this will make the node to charge you higher fees compared to the average (or compared to 0 fees). If they will charge higher fees, the protocol will search for another route where your transaction will arrive with less fees. Or, if it's a really higher amount (not a coffee or a weekend shopping) and no hurry, the good old onchain transaction will be also an option still. So there's nothing with banks and giant nodes but an onion type network that will have real possibilities.
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February 13, 2018, 05:36:55 AM
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But he has some truth in it as well. As from what I read, to get into top 15% holders, you only need 15BTC, which means, that majority of people have way less than that... So how much does it actually take to run a lighting network node?

Why do you need to be in the top 15% of holders? You can make a node and open channels with any amount you want, there is no lower limit. Again the whole argument is based on misleading you.
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Bitcoinus Community Manager
February 13, 2018, 05:33:24 AM
#3
So he's making the argument that only banks have Bitcoin to open a channel with. That's a rather ludicrous starting point to build an argument from. There's a lot of this sort of FUD about mainly from those that support Bcash. It really doesn't make any sense and is trying to distract from the fact that if you attempt to scale simply by ever increasing blocksize eventually you end up in the situation where only large supercomputers in data centres will be able to run as nodes.


But he has some truth in it as well. As from what I read, to get into top 15% holders, you only need 15BTC, which means, that majority of people have way less than that... So how much does it actually take to run a lighting network node?
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February 13, 2018, 05:21:20 AM
#2
So he's making the argument that only banks have Bitcoin to open a channel with. That's a rather ludicrous starting point to build an argument from. There's a lot of this sort of FUD about mainly from those that support Bcash. It really doesn't make any sense and is trying to distract from the fact that if you attempt to scale simply by ever increasing blocksize eventually you end up in the situation where only large supercomputers in data centres will be able to run as nodes.
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February 13, 2018, 05:14:46 AM
#1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHFrf5ci_g

I stopped using Bitcoin since late November. I do not transact in bitcoin, only in LTC or ETH.

But I was watching today some videos trying to understand the lighting network better, and I came across this one - and the guy makes a point, that lighting network has to be pre-funded with the money. And he makes a conclusion, that it is somehow related to banks.
What do you guys think?
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