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Topic: LIGHTNINGASIC LA100M,100MHS SCRYPT Miner, USD1999; LA1THS, USD1750.shipped out! - page 140. (Read 309065 times)

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Wattage and cost/watt is needed for those calculations. Since the units are non-standard and wattage changes per operation.

Yeah, I think I have to add at least cost per watt since people have different costs.  The wattage should be calculated from the frequency and mode.  At max stable frequency of 700Mhz, each unit (5 grid chips) consumes: 21watts (BTC mode), 22.8 watts (dual mode) and 2.2 watts (scrypt mode).  So the I think the only thing that will be required is knowing the cost per watt (or Kw) of electricity.  The rest is calculated. 

The main idea is that cgminer could then select which of the 3 modes to use to maximize mining profit, without user intervention.

Might also want to allow a "Do not mine" list LUT. For times when POS-stalling coins are horribly inaccurate for "reward". Also, for "lotto-style" coins that the calculations for reward are never correct, due to poor calculations of the lotto randomness. (Those are coins with a "?" next to the block-rewards on CoinWarz. There are more losers than winners, but the value is calculated as an average of high/low, which is inaccurate to any actual value, at any point in time. While POS-stalling is when POS blocks boot-out any actual POW block rewards, because the POS causes a block-reset too fast, due to its low difficulty. Thus, cutting reward in half, as it still shows as a valid "block" for that hour, until the formula realizes it isn't a reward, then re-adjusts to a lower diff later. A lower diff that someone-else gets, if you hop off the coin.)

I am not sure I am following this, can you give me some more?  Couldn't this be fixed by creating a server/deamon that provides a feed for a fictitious coin?  The fictitious coin would have whatever attributes are required (to account for LOT style coins for example where an "average" may not be representative without taking into account variance).  I was thinking that taking that part out of cgminer would be a good idea so that server feeds for new coins could easily be incoporated without having to mess with the cgminer code any further.  Or am I missing your point? 

Also, limiting high-diff coins, if you are a solo-miner and not a pool-miner. (Since hopping to a high-diff coin will be zero reward unless you actually stay until at-least one is found, which would be when the value is no-longer rewarding.)

I thought about doing something for solo mining, but the coding would be too much for right now; you would have to create a database of all alt-coins and be able to keep price/difficulty curves up to date for all of the coins . it would also make running on a low power embedded device like an rPi a real challenge.  I would love to do this project, but I know my limits!
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Thoughts?  Better ideas?

Wattage and cost/watt is needed for those calculations. Since the units are non-standard and wattage changes per operation.

Also, for dual-mode, wattage is altered. (Could do profiles for wattage, but not for cost/wattage, which is a user-specific value.) Since, at some point, there may be a Scrypt-coin that is high, and a SHA-coin that is also high, and mining both could potentially be an option. (Though, that would be a bonus which fades fast.)

Might also want to allow a "Do not mine" list LUT. For times when POS-stalling coins are horribly inaccurate for "reward". Also, for "lotto-style" coins that the calculations for reward are never correct, due to poor calculations of the lotto randomness. (Those are coins with a "?" next to the block-rewards on CoinWarz. There are more losers than winners, but the value is calculated as an average of high/low, which is inaccurate to any actual value, at any point in time. While POS-stalling is when POS blocks boot-out any actual POW block rewards, because the POS causes a block-reset too fast, due to its low difficulty. Thus, cutting reward in half, as it still shows as a valid "block" for that hour, until the formula realizes it isn't a reward, then re-adjusts to a lower diff later. A lower diff that someone-else gets, if you hop off the coin.)

Also, limiting high-diff coins, if you are a solo-miner and not a pool-miner. (Since hopping to a high-diff coin will be zero reward unless you actually stay until at-least one is found, which would be when the value is no-longer rewarding.)
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One thing missing from the original post...

Where to get these... (Prices in USD would be nice too. We can figure-out BTC-rate later, since BTC value is not constant. Or LTC, if accepted.)

I saw some prices in another post, but things change fast.

Also, expected delivery-time would be a mention worth posting. (I know a few have gone out, and have seen the videos of these running in farms already. So production is already happening.)

By the way, at those wattages, I am sold... if the price is right. (For scrypt-coins.)
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Where is the cgminer source?

you may use the github tree to build the source "here"

Code:
If building from git : 
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Well, I am in.  Sent 2,600 US + 150 for overnight shipping to asiabtc for the LA3M (3Mh/s total scrypt power, which is a controller, power, and set of 10 of the 300-350kh/s pucks).  He is very responsive on PM fyi for those of you wanting to order.  He lists price in US, but I sent him BTC using preev rate.  Due Feb 15, and he has promised it will ship no later than Feb 20 (I asked for absolute outside latest date come hell or high water, and that is what he gave me).

If one of the testers could post some exact dimensions and ideas for mounting these, that would be great.  I am going to fire up my 3D printer and see if I can make a tower something like a wine rack to put each unit in fan first; planning to make it modular so new ones can be snapped in... or any better idea for those who have them?

What do folks think about trying to optimize these for mining BTC vs. scrypt?  Power requirements are so much greater for BTC, it would seem that it might often be the case that you would mine only scrypt with these, but maybe sometimes it would be better to only mine BTC, or both??  That there are 3 modes seems to present a great option to be able to optimize cgminer real time...

Starting with the github cgminer code for these devices, I would add a "smart" mining option for cgminer that will switch between the scrypt and 256SHA mode depending on maximum profit.  I am thinking that the option would look something like:

--optimize-profit 256SHA-coin, scrypt-coin, averaging-function, time-window, recompute-time

Where:

   256SHA-coin is the desired 256-SHA coin for profit comparison purposes (does not need to be coin actually mined).  This would probably have to be a lookup table or service/deamon that provides information on current difficulty, average block solve time, block reward, and price for a given actual or fictitious coin... fictitious coins could be used for merged coin mining and/or multipool mining operations to provide average difficulty, solve time, etc. but the cgminer program would not be responsible for computing all that. 

   scrypt-coin is a reference to a lookup table or service or deamon that provides relevant info on the the desired scrypt based actual or fictitious coin

   averaging-function is the desired method of computing profits from the relevant coin data (e.g., moving averages, weighted moving averages, stochastics, etc. I should be able to use open source libraries used in stock data analysis very easily here)

    time-window is the time window to use when performing the averaging-function (12 hours, 4 hours, 5 days, etc.)

    recompute-time is the time between recomputation of the averaging-function (e.g, every 240 seconds)

Basically, the modification to cgminer would compute the expected profits from mining in each of the three modes (scrypt only, sha256 only, and both) during the recompute period, subtract out power costs, and then select the operating mode that maximizes expected profits.

Thoughts?  Better ideas?


   
 
   






 
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Will work for BitCoins
because of great feedback on forum, Office Starts to work feb3. Sad Sad : Angry
my holiday finished.

How much does the 6Mh miner cost?

When will this be available for purchasing?

you can buy from group buy section, i ordered 3 MH there

don't see it - only 300khs models

+1 can we get a link? I don't see it
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because of great feedback on forum, Office Starts to work feb3. Sad Sad : Angry
my holiday finished.

How much does the 6Mh miner cost?

When will this be available for purchasing?

you can buy from group buy section, i ordered 3 MH there

don't see it - only 300khs models
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We need more info on the 6MHs and 12 MHs model.

power consumption, and price?

agreed!
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We need more info on the 6MHs and 12 MHs model.

power consumption, and price?
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Having a issue understanding.

Some have said these work for scrypt, any alt coin that uses scrypt.

The description says LTC only ?

Some have had good results mining other alt coins, some not.

When will the firmware support any script coin fully ?
Or is the LTC issue built into the chip...or the custom mining software ?

Most use stratum to hide behind Smiley Is that working ok for these ?

thank you.
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because of great feedback on forum, Office Starts to work feb3. Sad Sad : Angry
my holiday finished.

How much does the 6Mh miner cost?

When will this be available for purchasing?

you can buy from group buy section, i ordered 3 MH there

Yep, I've already got my order in for the 3MH, but I wanted to have asiabtc give us more information on the newly announced 6MH and 10MH units he plans on selling.
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because of great feedback on forum, Office Starts to work feb3. Sad Sad : Angry
my holiday finished.

How much does the 6Mh miner cost?

When will this be available for purchasing?

you can buy from group buy section, i ordered 3 MH there
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Activity: 376
Merit: 250
because of great feedback on forum, Office Starts to work feb3. Sad Sad : Angry
my holiday finished.

How much does the 6Mh miner cost?

When will this be available for purchasing?
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Crypto Currency , Mining, Exchange ATM, Wallet!
because of great feedback on forum, Office Starts to work feb3. Sad Sad : Angry
my holiday finished.
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Crypto Currency , Mining, Exchange ATM, Wallet!
their picture is just copyed from LIGHTNIANGASIC team. not from every asic company.

I recognized some of the pictures from Avalon, Bitmine and BFL...
sorry.
let me make IT clear.one picture is copyed from my LA220G.it uses avalon open design. looks simillar.but picture details are different from other factory.

There are also pics of CoinCraft Desk from Bitmine and Monarch from BLF on the site that can mine scrypt ?!?

why ?
here is my original pictures. no-edit.its my LA220G bitcoin miner.picture size is big. be patient.
http://puu.sh/6HWsl
http://puu.sh/6HWmD
take a look.

Here is what we see:
http://imgur.com/0BYl11g

annndddd nevermind, now the links show  HuhHuhHuhHuh
just because bitcointalk forum dont support big size picture files. thats why i changed to show direct link.
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their picture is just copyed from LIGHTNIANGASIC team. not from every asic company.

I recognized some of the pictures from Avalon, Bitmine and BFL...
sorry.
let me make IT clear.one picture is copyed from my LA220G.it uses avalon open design. looks simillar.but picture details are different from other factory.

There are also pics of CoinCraft Desk from Bitmine and Monarch from BLF on the site that can mine scrypt ?!?

why ?
here is my original pictures. no-edit.its my LA220G bitcoin miner.picture size is big. be patient.
http://puu.sh/6HWsl
http://puu.sh/6HWmD
take a look.

Here is what we see:
http://imgur.com/0BYl11g

annndddd nevermind, now the links show  HuhHuhHuhHuh
legendary
Activity: 986
Merit: 1000
Crypto Currency , Mining, Exchange ATM, Wallet!
their picture is just copyed from LIGHTNIANGASIC team. not from every asic company.

I recognized some of the pictures from Avalon, Bitmine and BFL...
sorry.
let me make IT clear.one picture is copyed from my LA220G.it uses avalon open design. looks simillar.but picture details are different from other factory.

There are also pics of CoinCraft Desk from Bitmine and Monarch from BLF on the site that can mine scrypt ?!?

why ?
here is my original pictures. no-edit.its my LA220G bitcoin miner.picture size is big. be patient.
http://puu.sh/6HWsl
http://puu.sh/6HWmD
take a look.
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the one you have to cut a ac wire and screw them to not covered terminals

haha no there is a plastic cover over the connectors, but yes can be dangerous if you don't take care
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the one you have to cut a ac wire and screw them to not covered terminals

Cannot resist Smiley The horror, the horror...

cats dogs and kids beware...

I remember my childhood, suddenly.
I learned about electricity, standing on a tiled bathroom floor, barefoot about 5 or 6.
Holding the Santa light plug by its prongs. and inserting it into wall plug.

Respected electricity ever since, self taught.
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the one you have to cut a ac wire and screw them to not covered terminals
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