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Feels like some people stuck somewhere at 2016 when it comes about exchanges.
Binance, just like any other organization have some vulnerabilities that are unknown for the time being. But when you you work on this exchange then you cooperate with a "real-world" Binance that have a "real-world" obligation to return your money or they get problems with a "real-world" law. Also, it appears that security made a leap forward so hackers couldn't empty the entire exchange balance and Binance itself is one of the largest whales that is able to repay possible hacker damage.

Once again, when you work with centralized cervices you need to check if service itself is trustworthy. And in case with Binance it is.

People trusted their money to Quadriga in 2018:

Cryptocurrency exchange that went under in 2018 was a Ponzi scheme, regulator's report finds

You just never know if/when a centralized company will lose your money.
legendary
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I have been using Blockfi for over 1 year and have not experienced any negative issues.

But there is no way I would put all of my Bitcoin or even half of my holdings on that or any
similar platform. I would guess everyone is aware of the saying "invest only what you can
afford to lose" - the same applies to these platforms also IMO. Handing over your posessions
to these platforms means they have full control of them and you have only the control they
allow you to have.

But having said all that I have given them a portion of my Bitcoin in order to earn a little more...
at a risk.
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The problem with all of these services is that you are giving up control of your private keys, so you are trusting the service not to run away with your coin, or let a hacker run away with your coin. If you are receiving interest for your deposit, the service is also obviously lending out your coin to other customers, which means you are also risking that borrowers will not repay the service in large enough quantities that the service cannot repay you.

Good point, I was planning to save my Bitcoin to one of the service and I am about to look what could be the cons of this services since the OP did not mentioned anything about the cons of saving the money on this services. It will be risky to transfer your savings if you surrender your Bitcoins to them and trust them, I didn't say that they can't be trusted but you should think the worst that can happen.
When considering to deposit your coin in one of these types of services, you should consider if the risks associated with entrusting your coin with this service is risk the potential interest payout. Part of this would include your judgment as to the risk the company is an outright scam, and the risk that the company will get hacked and will be unable to payout your deposit plus interest (or will be otherwise unable to payout your deposit plus interest).
legendary
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The problem with all of these services is that you are giving up control of your private keys, so you are trusting the service not to run away with your coin, or let a hacker run away with your coin. If you are receiving interest for your deposit, the service is also obviously lending out your coin to other customers, which means you are also risking that borrowers will not repay the service in large enough quantities that the service cannot repay you.

Good point, I was planning to save my Bitcoin to one of the service and I am about to look what could be the cons of this services since the OP did not mentioned anything about the cons of saving the money on this services. It will be risky to transfer your savings if you surrender your Bitcoins to them and trust them, I didn't say that they can't be trusted but you should think the worst that can happen.
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I made a website with a exhaustive table on this! You can find it here: https://extracrypto.cc/interest-rates/all-cryptocurrencies/. And you can compare more info on the platforms here: https://extracrypto.cc/interest-rates/platform-features/

Feel free to add anything you find there to the list in this thread!

Excellent job on compiling everything. From now on though, I'll add the ones that provide >3.0% APR once I come back home. Any lower than this wouldn't be worth it.

I'm curious, how much do you cash in in referral income? I've gotten quite interested affiliate marketing, passive income and referral commissions, and recently have started promoting the link in my signature over the web. Thus far, I managed to score one proliferative gambler.

Thanks for the compliment Smiley

Definitely haven't made enough from referrals to make it worth my time yet, but I hope that changes. It's really hard for something like this to get any traction at all. I also wouldn't call it 'passive income', as I've already sunk hundreds of hours of work into this, and will have to continually update it to keep it going.

Putting your crypto (mostly stablecoins) somewhere to earn interest is passive income though, which is what got me interested in making this website in the first place Smiley

By the way, Ledn.io just lowered their BTC interest rates to 5.25% today, and BlockFi lowered them to 4.00%.
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I made a website with a exhaustive table on this! You can find it here: https://extracrypto.cc/interest-rates/all-cryptocurrencies/. And you can compare more info on the platforms here: https://extracrypto.cc/interest-rates/platform-features/

Feel free to add anything you find there to the list in this thread!

Excellent job on compiling everything. From now on though, I'll add the ones that provide >3.0% APR once I come back home. Any lower than this wouldn't be worth it.

I'm curious, how much do you cash in in referral income? I've gotten quite interested affiliate marketing, passive income and referral commissions, and recently have started promoting the link in my signature over the web. Thus far, I managed to score one proliferative gambler.
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I made a website with a exhaustive table on this! You can find it here: https://extracrypto.cc/interest-rates/all-cryptocurrencies/. And you can compare more info on the platforms here: https://extracrypto.cc/interest-rates/platform-features/

Feel free to add anything you find there to the list in this thread!
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You can add ledn to the list:

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But it's worth repeating. Not your keys, not your coins. It's up to each person to see if it's worth for them to put their Bitcoin in these companies.

Thank you. If anyone finds another savings account service, please let me know!
hero member
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You can add ledn to the list:

|  ledn      |     6.25   |         Daily           |      None        |        None        |    No      |    USDC   |

But it's worth repeating. Not your keys, not your coins. It's up to each person to see if it's worth for them to put their Bitcoin in these companies.
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So major services like Binance are absolutely safe unless you expect them to go mad for no reason and freeze your funds (which is still a possible risk).
Absolutely wrong!
You can't say any centralized exchange is absolutely safe, especially when we all know that both Binance and many other exchanges were hacked in past.
Binance even leaked bunch of private customer information, and you can still find images of passports with faces of people on various online forums.
I don't know what else needs to happen so that you can call in unsafe.... maybe someone brakes in your house with a gun using address from that leak.  Tongue

Feels like some people stuck somewhere at 2016 when it comes about exchanges.
Binance, just like any other organization have some vulnerabilities that are unknown for the time being. But when you you work on this exchange then you cooperate with a "real-world" Binance that have a "real-world" obligation to return your money or they get problems with a "real-world" law. Also, it appears that security made a leap forward so hackers couldn't empty the entire exchange balance and Binance itself is one of the largest whales that is able to repay possible hacker damage.

Once again, when you work with centralized cervices you need to check if service itself is trustworthy. And in case with Binance it is.
legendary
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So major services like Binance are absolutely safe unless you expect them to go mad for no reason and freeze your funds (which is still a possible risk).
Absolutely wrong!
You can't say any centralized exchange is absolutely safe, especially when we all know that both Binance and many other exchanges were hacked in past.
Binance even leaked bunch of private customer information, and you can still find images of passports with faces of people on various online forums.
I don't know what else needs to happen so that you can call in unsafe.... maybe someone brakes in your house with a gun using address from that leak.  Tongue
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Banks are highly regulated, while it is the Wild West when it comes to the above companies accepting crypto deposits. In the US, bank deposits are also insured against loss due to the bank being unable to pay their deposit holders up to certain amounts, and this is not true for the above companies.

Do you think a bank might have enough to refund all the customers if something bad happens? Nah, the "insured funds" is what I call a marketing trick to make people believe they're safe while in fact, they're not totally.

Also, I don't know how it works in the U.S. in such a case but if it's like in my country, the funds are insured by the government not the bank.
So imagine a bank going bankrupt, it's the government that will inject some money to make this insurance works. And from where will this money come? Taxes or borrowed money from banks.
In the US, banks are insured by the FDIC. The FDIC is funded by the various member banks via insurance premiums paid based on the amount of insured deposits. Although the number of failing banks has been low recently, due to the good economy, banks do fail every year, and those banks' depositholders have been made hold up to FDIC insurance limits. It is not a marketing gimic.

The problem with all of these services is that you are giving up control of your private keys, so you are trusting the service not to run away with your coin, or let a hacker run away with your coin. If you are receiving interest for your deposit, the service is also obviously lending out your coin to other customers, which means you are also risking that borrowers will not repay the service in large enough quantities that the service cannot repay you.
Then don't put a lot of your coins in any of them, the risk of the amount lost is mitigated but the benefit is also lowered but in the end, the profits will speak for itself. I don't think that this websites will be vulnerable as back in the Mt. Gox days, security has been a thing and I think that this websites are definitely secure.
In the days of Mt Gox, most people creating bitcoin-related services were fairly inexperienced programmers. It was fairly common for websites to get hacked because of the lack of experience, and because programmers were making websites that would likely not get hacked if not for their relation to bitcoin.

Today, bitcoin-related services are much better built, including their security, but nothing is infallible. Today, bitcoin-related websites still experience hacks. Generally speaking, the losses in relation to total customer deposits are lower, but there is still the risk of customers loosing all their deposited money.
legendary
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So major services like Binance are absolutely safe unless you expect them to go mad for no reason and freeze your funds (which is still a possible risk).
Allow me to correct you. Binance is NOT safe. Say you send someone 300,000 Doge ($600) from your Binance account. Then, 19 months later, Binance sends the same transaction again, except for now it's worth $80,000. Next, Binance freezes your account and demands you pay them $80,000.
This is the kind of BS centralized and largely unregulated services can do for basically any reason they come up with.
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And in almost all cases, the excess counterparty risks that you incur from using one of these services will not be worth it.
This!
Even though it sounds attractive to gain 4% or more per year on your Bitcoin, the risk is up to 100%!

It's the same with the banks when we receive our salary on a deposit account.
It's not the same: banks (here) have a (government) guarantee to return at least 100,000 euro per account holder in case something happens to your money. If you want to store more money, you can open more accounts at different banks.
I wouldn't trust banks without this.


Completely agree with your post, but tbh the overall situation is getting better. At least now you can choose between reputable companies which have their own reserves or insurances to repay the funds in case of hack. So major services like Binance are absolutely safe unless you expect them to go mad for no reason and freeze your funds (which is still a possible risk).

List itself is good. Would be nice to have another column that shows if that service have a welcome bonus.
legendary
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And in almost all cases, the excess counterparty risks that you incur from using one of these services will not be worth it.
This!
Even though it sounds attractive to gain 4% or more per year on your Bitcoin, the risk is up to 100%!

It's the same with the banks when we receive our salary on a deposit account.
It's not the same: banks (here) have a (government) guarantee to return at least 100,000 euro per account holder in case something happens to your money. If you want to store more money, you can open more accounts at different banks.
I wouldn't trust banks without this.

Do you think a bank might have enough to refund all the customers if something bad happens? Nah, the "insured funds" is what I call a marketing trick to make people believe they're safe while in fact, they're not totally.
The way it works in EU is that first other banks have to pay for the damages, and if that fails they'll get another government bailout. So ultimately the tax payers pay for it.
Note that this is about savings or checking accounts. Brokers are a different story.

In short:
Regarding the safety of your BTC, the sentiment of "Not your keys, not your coins" rings ever true.
I wouldn't risk it Smiley
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Those exchanges that got hacked are some of the most podunk, barely remarkable ones that have not exercised proper security measures, such as keeping the bulk of their user funds in cold wallets stowed away
So, you want to say that exchanges which got hacked, like Binance, Kucoin, Upbit, Bitfinex or Coincheck were barely remarkable ones?
Though, you have good point about that nothing is 100% sure. But still, I think it's kinda different things and risks when you put 1 BTC into exchange in long term period and decide to watch movie or no.

They were certainly still in their growth phase, but not to the level of the already established exchanges at the time. And to be completely transparent, they've had their fair share of hacks before. But now that, for example, Binance has achieved the status of the best, it's practically unthinkable that they will be hacked. If they do end up getting hacked, however, you bet they are going to compensate their users in one way or the other.

The shockwaves of Mt. Gox are behind us. Why haven't you moved on?
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Those exchanges that got hacked are some of the most podunk, barely remarkable ones that have not exercised proper security measures, such as keeping the bulk of their user funds in cold wallets stowed away
So, you want to say that exchanges which got hacked, like Binance, Kucoin, Upbit, Bitfinex or Coincheck were barely remarkable ones?
Though, you have good point about that nothing is 100% sure. But still, I think it's kinda different things and risks when you put 1 BTC into exchange in long term period and decide to watch movie or no.
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It doesn't make sense.
Mt. Gox hacked on 2014, if the security has been developed pretty well and all websites are secure... Why we still saw many exchanges got hacked after 2015? [1]

This means, even the security has been upgraded it doesn't stop hacker to find the vulnerability. As been said, there's no system is 100% secured.


[1] https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/hacked-exchanges-since-2011-5090869

Those exchanges that got hacked are some of the most podunk, barely remarkable ones that have not exercised proper security measures, such as keeping the bulk of their user funds in cold wallets stowed away

You are right. There is nothing that is %100, but that is such a cheesy, flimsy argument to make when it comes to making a yes/no decision. I could make that same argument anywhere, be it in the financial sector, medical sector, entertainment sector and many more, and where would that leave me in all of the aforementioned sectors if I had to make a decision? I would miss out on those savings investments because "the bank is not %100 safe!" I would miss out on a potentially life-saving treatment because "the procedure is not %100 safe!" I would miss out on a good movie because "I'm %100 not going to enjoy it!"

Ultimately, when it comes to entrusting your funds to a website, the only thing you should base your decision off of is their security track record. And If a certain website does indeed have a spotless record, then what are you afraid of? Work with the inputs you've got, not with the worst assumption you could make of something.
legendary
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I don't think that this websites will be vulnerable as back in the Mt. Gox days, security has been a thing and I think that this websites are definitely secure.
It doesn't make sense.
Mt. Gox hacked on 2014, if the security has been developed pretty well and all websites are secure... Why we still saw many exchanges got hacked after 2015? [1]

This means, even the security has been upgraded it doesn't stop hacker to find the vulnerability. As been said, there's no system is 100% secured.


[1] https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/hacked-exchanges-since-2011-5090869
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The problem with all of these services is that you are giving up control of your private keys, so you are trusting the service not to run away with your coin, or let a hacker run away with your coin. If you are receiving interest for your deposit, the service is also obviously lending out your coin to other customers, which means you are also risking that borrowers will not repay the service in large enough quantities that the service cannot repay you.
Then don't put a lot of your coins in any of them, the risk of the amount lost is mitigated but the benefit is also lowered but in the end, the profits will speak for itself. I don't think that this websites will be vulnerable as back in the Mt. Gox days, security has been a thing and I think that this websites are definitely secure.
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