Lockdowns for those who haven't had the pseudo-vaccine. - page 2.

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Quote from: suchmoon on November 18, 2021, 04:42:06 PM

Quote from: Gyfts on November 18, 2021, 03:29:07 PM

The pills are already here, many are just going through the trials and could be available to the public market within months if they end up being safe and get passed by the oversight organizations that deal with public health in whatever country needs the therapeutics.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-govt-buy-10-mln-courses-pfizers-covid-19-pill-529-bln-2021-11-18/

Pfizer has their own pill the US signed a contract for. I don't remember the active ingredient but it's not anything new from what I remember. 89 effectiveness in reducing hospitalization or death, that is higher than some vaccines.

Refuse a $20 vaccine for a tenfold chance to give $500 to Big Pharma... can't wait for the usual suspects to bake a pretzel about this.

If they refuse the vaccine that's on them, but if it'll save someone's life, 500 USD is a small price to pay (or whatever it might cost).

And most of the anti-vaxxers are mostly concerned about long term effects that haven't been well studied. Only to someone that the vaccine wouldn't benefit too greatly, a healthy person, this serves as an alterative only in the event they get sick + severe infection. Most of the folks that need the vax are already vaxed.

Vaccine + pill + other therapeutics means the world should go back to normal and leave Covid in the past. I'm cautiously optimistic.

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Quote from: Gyfts on November 18, 2021, 03:29:07 PM

The pills are already here, many are just going through the trials and could be available to the public market within months if they end up being safe and get passed by the oversight organizations that deal with public health in whatever country needs the therapeutics.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-govt-buy-10-mln-courses-pfizers-covid-19-pill-529-bln-2021-11-18/

Pfizer has their own pill the US signed a contract for. I don't remember the active ingredient but it's not anything new from what I remember. 89 effectiveness in reducing hospitalization or death, that is higher than some vaccines.

Refuse a $20 vaccine for a tenfold chance to give $500 to Big Pharma... can't wait for the usual suspects to bake a pretzel about this.

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Quote from: mindrust on November 18, 2021, 01:59:09 PM

In a year or two there will be many different covid pills to choose from probably and nobody will remember them r-RNA vaccines again.

The pills are already here, many are just going through the trials and could be available to the public market within months if they end up being safe and get passed by the oversight organizations that deal with public health in whatever country needs the therapeutics.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-govt-buy-10-mln-courses-pfizers-covid-19-pill-529-bln-2021-11-18/

Pfizer has their own pill the US signed a contract for. I don't remember the active ingredient but it's not anything new from what I remember. 89 effectiveness in reducing hospitalization or death, that is higher than some vaccines.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on November 15, 2021, 12:11:14 PM

I gather that Austria has implemented a lockdown policy for those who haven't had the pseudo-vaccine. I wonder how this will pan out, and how many other countries will try this. I'm moving into my van full time, so good luck if they try to implement this in the UK. Research seems to be showing that natural immunity provides better, and possibly long term protection, and, of course, it doesn't have the risk of long term damage, and even death that is associated with the pseudo-vaccines. Will governments be able to continue with their health destruction policies as people become more aware of the true situation and associated risks.

I refer to the covid treatment as a pseudo-vaccine as there is a growing body of medical professionals who consider who consider mRNA treatments with required regular boosters as a drug regimen, and not a true preventative vaccine. I gather that they had to change the Merriam-Webster definition of a "vaccine" to include these pseudo-vaccines.

Get your facts straight. It is not a pseudo vaccine, it is a gene therapy. They'll have to back pedal again anyways. The reaction against these therapies are bigger than they originally expected. That also must be the reason why we are starting to see those newly invented covid pills. They must have realized that some people will never ever get these m-RNA therapies and the world won't stay in lockdown forever so they had to "invent" the real cure faster.

In a year or two there will be many different covid pills to choose from probably and nobody will remember them r-RNA vaccines again.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on November 18, 2021, 11:54:29 AM

Quote from: tvbcof on November 18, 2021, 10:47:35 AM

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Okay. This is turning into a new Flat Earth thread. Presumably we'd have been on opposing sides in that debate, too.

Probably. Anyone who would fall for the scamdemic is likely fall for the flat-earth and climate change hoaxes as well if a 'scientist' said so. Totally taken in by scientism.

There is no doubt that, back in the day, I would have been the guy saying that it is not necessary to give your kid to the high priest to sacrifice on the pyramid in order for the next growing season to come. 95% of the peeps would think I was crazy and dangerous, and you'd obviously be right there in the pack.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on November 18, 2021, 05:20:07 AM

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I'm a "pro vaxxer," only not in the traditional sense. People should make their decision on whether or not they want the Covid vax. There are a lot of people that need it and could benefit from it, and there are people that really don't need it. We don't have long term data, and it's good be skeptical. This is an affront to the pro Covid vaxxer crowd it seems. The aforementioned freedom of choice isn't so controversial if we're talking abortion, it transforms when it comes to choices and vaccination.

And so, when the risks are all calculated, the fact remains -- young people do not need the vaccine. Very old people do need the vaccine. If you're in the middle, make up your mind depending on your immune system, underlying conditions, etc.

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Quote from: tvbcof on November 18, 2021, 10:47:35 AM

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Okay. This is turning into a new Flat Earth thread. Presumably we'd have been on opposing sides in that debate, too.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on November 18, 2021, 08:03:28 AM

Quote from: tvbcof on November 18, 2021, 05:47:19 AM

Italy quietly dropped their covid death count from like 54,000 to like 3500 the other day when no one was looking.

Weird. Looks like they've now quietly raised it back up to 120,000 when no-one was looking. Roll Eyes

I may as well post the second chart, too, in anticipation of the familiar "they didn't die of Covid, it was something else" argument.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/italy

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'our world in data' is a fake news propaganda organ of Gates and associated other 'great reset' climate scammers. It exists specifically for people like you.

https://ourworldindata.org/funding

The 3500 is people who died with only what they were calling 'covid', and even then it was based on mis-use of PCR with cycle thresholds set up into the 95% false positive rate by fraudsters who wrote up the procedure around the time they were getting the plandemic hoax going in the first place. The dog seems to have eaten this fraudster's PhD thesis:

https://principia-scientific.com/christian-drosten-the-fraud-behind-covid-19-pcr-testing/

I especially like the part about how if they don't have the virus they want to test for handy when creating the 'PCR test', they can cook up a substitute from computer code. Good work if you can find it.

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The world turns so irrational when:
- ~~Vaccine~~ Antibody booster doesn't give you immunity.
- People die with covid = die because of covid, you can get stabbed to death and still count as "covid death" if you tested positive.
- Can't go to certain locations, can't get public services if you aren't ~~vaccinated~~ injected with antibody booster.

I agree with the title as "this thing" shouldn't be called a vaccine. Spin it all you want but if there is no immunity, there is no vaccine.

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Prophylaxis is an action or treatment given to prevent infection or a disease. Vaccines are intended to be prophylaxis, and not designed to be cures. In fact vaccination of an infected patient can cause viral mutations, and this explains the massive increase in the number of Covid variants, The continuation of the pandemic is the result of vaccination, and not from the unvaccinated spreading the disease.

If governments really wanted to stop the spread of the virus, they would encourage and publicise the benefits of Vitamin "D", zinc and other minerals. They could attack obesity, smoking, drug ( recreational and pharmaceutical) abuse, the re-inhalation of excrement from wearing face masks, and all of the other measures that are known to prolong the life of the virus and inhibit recovery.

It would also be helpful if "cases", "infections", "Covid deaths", "vulnerabilities", and "co-morbidities" were defined.

I can see how monoclonal antibody injection could be beneficial, and it would be useful if more information could be provided on this. This is probably unlikely, as it doesn't lock people into a lifetime of drug dependency.

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Italy did have a spike up in week 14 (April 5) of 2020 because the intubation worked so well and killed 90% of participants. Other than that massive excess deaths are absent. How does Luxemburg with very small percent double shot avoiding the pandemic? (more than 70% got shot once)
What happend with the we run out of ventilators?

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

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Quote from: tvbcof on November 18, 2021, 05:47:19 AM

Italy quietly dropped their covid death count from like 54,000 to like 3500 the other day when no one was looking.

Weird. Looks like they've now quietly raised it back up to 120,000 when no-one was looking. Roll Eyes

I may as well post the second chart, too, in anticipation of the familiar "they didn't die of Covid, it was something else" argument.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/italy

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

Quote from: hellflame on November 18, 2021, 07:52:22 AM

The mark of the beast will be forced upon people [...] It is HIGHLY likely that it will be in the form of a vaccine [...] The Father in Heaven and Christ and his blessed Mother.

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Please help spread this message and don't be afraid of ridicule.

All anti-vaxxer arguments are faith-based, at least you're being open about it. I don't think the 'mark of the beast' argument is any different to a 5G/Bill Gates/population reduction/the-elites-trying-to-take-control-despite-the-fact-that-they-already-have-control arguments.

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I saw this post somewhere and had it copy/pasted because it sounded interesting but looking at it now the person who wrote it may have been predicting closely what is beginning to happen now.Please requote it anywhere on threads where it may be helpful to even one poor soul in the future.I cannot repost it all over the place because it is against rules to do this I think but not for different people to do it at one time only maybe. Please help spread this message and don't be afraid of ridicule.Try to help even these people before it is too late.Unfortunately I have only the 1 sendable merit to give this thread. Thank you friends.

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The mark of the beast will be forced upon people. You will have no choice. People who think they will be asked to make a decision are still thinking it will be a choice. The choices you make today will determine if you will be marked when the time comes.
Don't for a minute think you can continuously live in sin and say to yourself well I will refuse the mark when it comes so I have plenty of time to enjoy myself in the meantime.
No you do NOT. You need to make ammends with a good conscience through repentence,fasting and prayer so you are strengthened spiritually and have God's angels protection around you at all times hidden from those who will take you by force.
If you are taken by force you may only be killed but unmarked but if you are not in a state of grace you may well be marked by force .

The mark will be deceptive like going to a driver licence or passport office and sitting in a booth where you have a digital signature or invisible mark that is only seen under certain light or using some special scanning apparatus but as you sit to have your photo taken for facial recognition type photo you will receive it in your forehead or as you face camera or marking device the counter will be at your right hand forcing you by default to either pick it up with your right hand or accept it by the right hand.

It is HIGHLY likely that it will be in the form of a vaccine identity that allows authorities to see if you are both positive for a disease or have immunity and the most efficient way to check this is through body heat or this mark activated through body heat in places commonly where temperature is taken so it would make sense for the hand and forehead requiring this mark to be a good excuse.

There may also be a program where over a period of time willpower to resist these measures both physically and emotionally comes through testing and maybe the nature of the vaccine through some type of enzymes or contaminant.

Somehow the vaccine or mark containing tester or vaccine component will destroy an individuals rational mind and they will have no issues with tormenting those who are not like them.

Everything will be tied to this mark because by then you will not have banknotes or other acceptable identification for services or products which will be the final nail in the coffin so to speak for those who do not have it in order to persecute them or flush them out of the shadows to be taken into custody.

This may sound far fetched but I have no reason to tell lies because it is sinful to lie knowingly and separates us from The Father in Heaven and Christ and his blessed Mother.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on November 18, 2021, 05:20:07 AM

Quote from: Gyfts on November 17, 2021, 08:21:18 PM

It doesn't have anything to do with empathy

Anti-vaxxers regularly try to frame vaccination as an individual freedom issue. They either can't grasp that viruses pass from person to person (in which case they're all idiots, which I don't think is true), or else they do understand it but just don't care (in which case empathy is certainly a factor).

It's only been that way for a couple million years in the case of hominids. It's called 'being alive'. When all the fearmongering is washed away it turns out that whatever 'covid' is, it's barely on par with influenza if even that. Quite a far cry from the '4-6% mortality' scare stories they were peddling when they said we need 'two weeks to flatten the curve', and _vastly_ less than the seasonal flu for kids. Not exactly the 'biggest pandemic in a century' as per the original fear-porn marketing.

Italy quietly dropped their covid death count from like 54,000 to like 3500 the other day when no one was looking. The original included pretty much everyone who died of anything. Who knew...other than those of us who bothered to look.

Remind me again of why it is critical for kids to sacrifice their heart health and God knows what else while shouldering all the risk and getting no compensation to test out an experimental gene therapy for the pharma companies and patent holders in the DOH?

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Quote from: Gyfts on November 17, 2021, 08:21:18 PM

Are you aware of how little the chance is of you, a vaccinated individual, spreading the virus to someone that is A.) not vaccinated B.) doesn't already have natural immunity from previous infection C.) is vulnerable to the virus?

I know a few people who've been vaccinated but have contracted the virus. Their symptoms have been mild, but nevertheless they could easily transmit it. If we were at a stage where everyone was either vaccinated or had natural immunity, then we'd see case numbers dropping rapidly. We're not yet at that stage.

Quote from: Gyfts on November 17, 2021, 08:21:18 PM

It doesn't have anything to do with empathy

Anti-vaxxers regularly try to frame vaccination as an individual freedom issue. They either can't grasp that viruses pass from person to person (in which case they're all idiots, which I don't think is true), or else they do understand it but just don't care (in which case empathy is certainly a factor).

Quote from: tvbcof on November 17, 2021, 10:54:18 PM

experimental medical test subjects [...] using kids as human shields [...] the enemy is less likely to bomb [...] facilities for holding the human shields should be situated right by his/her house

I'm not sure if this is paranoia or hysteria. Perhaps a little of both? It's difficult trying to debate with someone who holds such creative beliefs.

Quote from: Tash on November 18, 2021, 02:31:08 AM

You have any scientific evidence to back your junk or are you just repeat tel-lie-vision propaganda?

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Quote from: Masplanc on November 18, 2021, 02:08:52 AM

Since the vaccine is to prevent life's it will be good for people to take a vaccine than to be like that without taking any thing for prevention. Let everyone take for safety, taking this vaccine will reduce the risk of this deadly disease.

You have any scientific evidence to back your junk or are you just repeat tel-lie-vision propaganda?

Pfizer Faces Fresh Allegations of Falsifying COVID-19 Vaccine Data
https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/pfizer-faces-fresh-allegations-of-falsifying-covid-19-vaccine-data/
https://vulms.org/bombshell-pfizer-lied-about-death-count-in-key-covid-vaccine-clinical-trial-fatalities-were-much-higher/

Another positive note, every little steps helps
https://t.me/christineanderson/479

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Since the vaccine is to prevent life's it will be good for people to take a vaccine than to be like that without taking any thing for prevention. Let everyone take for safety, taking this vaccine will reduce the risk of this deadly disease.

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Quote from: Gyfts on November 17, 2021, 08:21:18 PM

Quote from: Cnut237 on November 17, 2021, 05:44:58 AM

I don't understand this argument. There is likely a misunderstanding within society due to varying levels of empathy. I've been vaccinated, I wear a mask in public, but I am not worried about myself if I contract the virus. What I don't want to do is to catch it and pass it to someone more vulnerable. Masks are predominantly to protect others from the mask-wearer, not vice versa. Vaccination obviously protects the individual, but this is secondary, the main purpose is to increase immunity within society in order to prevent exponential spread and thus protect everyone. More and more I think this is a question of empathy.

Are you aware of how little the chance is of you, a vaccinated individual, spreading the virus to someone that is A.) not vaccinated B.) doesn't already have natural immunity from previous infection C.) is vulnerable to the virus? The chances are virtually zero for the vast majority of the world, especially that of any developed country where the vaccine is available. You are miscalculating the risk. It doesn't have anything to do with empathy, it's making a mistake in your risk assessment. If I had that much empathy, I wouldn't bother interacting with anyone in society, by chance I may inadvertently cause someone's death, perhaps by spreading a communicable disease like the flu.

Yeah, lobbying hard for kids to become unpaid and unprotected experimental medical test subjects. That is now 'compassion' in the 'new normal'.

Cunt237 could easily justify in his/her mind using kids as human shields as a 'compassionate' strategy under the theory that the enemy is less likely to bomb and thus everyone is safer. Not that his/her safety is important of course. He/she only cares about the old/crippled/minority population...though the facilities for holding the human shields should be situated right by his/her house and government facilities I'm sure. And the child shields should be highly vaxxed.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on November 17, 2021, 05:44:58 AM

I don't understand this argument. There is likely a misunderstanding within society due to varying levels of empathy. I've been vaccinated, I wear a mask in public, but I am not worried about myself if I contract the virus. What I don't want to do is to catch it and pass it to someone more vulnerable. Masks are predominantly to protect others from the mask-wearer, not vice versa. Vaccination obviously protects the individual, but this is secondary, the main purpose is to increase immunity within society in order to prevent exponential spread and thus protect everyone. More and more I think this is a question of empathy.

Are you aware of how little the chance is of you, a vaccinated individual, spreading the virus to someone that is A.) not vaccinated B.) doesn't already have natural immunity from previous infection C.) is vulnerable to the virus? The chances are virtually zero for the vast majority of the world, especially that of any developed country where the vaccine is available. You are miscalculating the risk. It doesn't have anything to do with empathy, it's making a mistake in your risk assessment. If I had that much empathy, I wouldn't bother interacting with anyone in society, by chance I may inadvertently cause someone's death, perhaps by spreading a communicable disease like the flu.

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We are all familiar with the term racism. And now we have:

VACCISM

– prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their vaccination status.

New scandal Austrian MP issues vaccination certifiate self. By chance the live camera in parlament focuses on her as she in the middle of national council meeting opens a glass ampoule which she took from the handbag and places the sticker of it on vaccination card.
"Vaccinating" done
https://youtu.be/sxntSErpeQc

But wait it gets better
Explanation by Ms. Himmelbauer:
“Of course, the doctor responsible entered this vaccination in the electronic vaccination card. In addition, because I didn't have my yellow vaccination certificate with me, she gave me the empty vaccine container with the batch number to stick on, which I then did. "
Hang on what? So empty containers need unpacking?

A employee later explained the sticker is for a flu vaccine which she also received before the plenary session. Grin

In any case, Austria's citizens face up to a year in prison for falsifying vaccination passports!

Sweden to introduce Covid vaccination pass on December 1. It was never about a virus as it does not exist.
Czechs bar unvaccinated from public events services.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/czechs-bar-unvaccinated-public-events-services-2021-11-17/?utm_source=reddit.com

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