Topic: loginsam45 and his alleged alt-accounts: ltcrstrbrt, GigaBit and bluedeep (Read 826 times)

loginsam45 has had plenty of time to post here with any evidence to support his allegations. Though he has something tangible and worth considering when it comes to signing an Ethereum address for one of the accounts (he alleged were stolen), he has been unable to provide anything beyond that.

For that reason as well as sadly seeing it flooded by trolls and attention-seekers I have locked the thread. In future if loginsam45 does want to present anything to support his claims he can create a thread himself.

Exactly and if someone indeed does it then the only possibility is from the hack I had few years ago when my bitcointalk account including email and exchange accounts were hacked But it's unlikely that they got any of my wallet details. I moved all my assets to new wallet and it was done as fast as I could. On the other hand, from the long forum participation, I had many discussions with many members, they will easily know that who they are discussing. I am sure I made an unique identity myself to many of the forum members and by any chance if this account get a hand to some unexpected hacker [again, although the hacker will need to hack my alt account too to make me vanish], after few discussions anyone will easily find that it's not the same person behind this account.

Anyway, I think the thread is over. I see JollyGood leaves no chance to order others to lock their threads. I wonder why it's taking him to do the same for this thread LOL.

Okay. I understand that. I also had some words regarding your view toward others in Yahoo's thread, which does not mean I will talk against you. Every human makes mistakes, and you, me and others whoever writing here are not out of that box. If you see many people question your view regarding this reputation drama and feedback, don't you think it's something you should care about? For some reason, sometimes I agree with some of their words, whoever even trolls you. I saw you left people neutral tags for useless purposes like "you requested someone not to quote long text in a thread, and he did not hear you" You left him neutral feedback. It makes the neutral tag as if it's nothing. Well, it's something in the forum. Even though it is not an incorrect system of feedback system, leaving neutral feedback for every other reason makes it less worthy. I noticed your Distrust list is too long. Well, distrusting people with no credibility does not make sense as well. Some barely left feedback for others and are unlikely to be in DT in the next ten years.

When you distrust 10x than you trust, people might say you do not understand how it should work. When you leave more negative feedback than you left positive, it shows that you are actively looking to leave negative and you find joy in it. If you keep doing it, one day, you will realize people ignore your feedback, and those people are participating in a signature campaign with your feedback. People won't care about your feedback. Do you think lovesmayfamilies, The Sceptical Chymist is less aggressive? (Not sure if it's a correct choice of the word) No, they are aggressive too, but they observe the case and leave negative feedback once things are already proven. There are some other Scam busters and Spam busters that were never questioned. Even if they were questioned, it's scarce. Then why do we see people question your POV?

I am not someone who is established. I have shared my point of view on why people question your behavior. Don't take this as a suggestion or something. Take it as a compliment.

You have every right to question if you believe he is doing something wrong, and he should think about it. But trolling may make him sad, and he never thinks about it. Instead, it may end up with trust exclusion and utilizing ignore button.

BTW, I noticed your writing patterns match with someone!
Are you an alt of Satoshi by any chance?

Yeah, I noticed that too. He said you are under no obligation yet asking another question to answer.

Well, I am not supporting him. I just shared the possible reason to create this thread and this particular case. Indeed, we should not care what a random newbie posts in the forum without proper evidence or something. But if someone signs a message from BitcoinGirl.Club Bitcoin address and claim BitcoinGirl.Club is my account, we have to think twice about it.

Bro! Take my advice, just ignore this JollyGood shit and unless the accuser bring something that is undeniable truth, until then don't response to this thread, not at least to JollyGood. The more you will response this ass hole he will keep asking you more nonsense questions, from many directions. He is waiting to destroy your account and he needs an excuse, right now because me and others are interfering and he knows without any good visible reason he can not tag you, he is trying to make one. See the bold part.


He accepts that the accuser needs to come back and prove it otherwise you are in no obligation but then he is asking something else. Trust me if you give the answer and that goes against giving a red tag then he will bring another direction and ask you another question. It's a loop until he finds his best possible chance to tag you.

Tomorrow if someone whisper bitcoingirl is their account and ask JollyGood to help then you are suggesting JollyGood will create a thread and demand whatever information he wants from me? He knows his butt will turn red with constant kicking, I don't care if my Jordan torn apart. Then since he will not receive any answer he will red tag my account saying bitcoingirl account is user x's and wrong owner of bitcoingril kicked my ass with his Jordan. LOL

He needs to discuss with the accuser possibly in private and then collect undeniable proof before even dare to ask me questions. Otherwise whatever he is doing is to get paid for his signature campaign and of course his sole idea is to destroy any competition so that he can easily take part into forum advertising opportunities from managers.

Lol, you and I both know you've been reading my messages, it just takes you a couple of extra clicks.  One to unignore and another to angrily ignore again.


I take issue with this comment.  Developing trolling skills as well-honed as mine takes much longer than a couple of years.  But I reserve them for those who truly deserve it, and you my friend are among the most deserving.  You should take some pride in that.


I'm an antagonistic, obnoxious asshole.  Not just on the forum, all the time.  It saves me a lot of time since no one expects any pleasantries from me.  There are a few people in my life who've learned to tolerate it, and fewer for whom I make an effort to be polite.  It's not something I'm proud of, but at the same time, it's not something I care to change.

Having said that, I will make an effort to be polite to you from now on.  Not because I care what you think about me (obviously I don't, although it did sting when you called me repulsive, really repulsive?) but because I don't like picking on people who are incapable of defending themselves.  You attempting to ignore me for the last couple of years only proves that you are incapable.  However, I will continue to question your use of the trust system and your attacks on people of lower ranks than you.

I don't want you to be hurt by my trolling, JollyGood.  This is just a forum, and it isn't worth any tears or any regrets.

Best wishes.

I could have responded to him myself had he not been on my ignore list. The troll he has evolved in to over the past couple of years is not worth feeding.

I am human, I make mistakes and I try to rectify them as and when possible. The same applies to my activities within this forum, I am not perfect, I have not come across any single member that is. You are right I was trying to get to the bottom of the allegation loginsam45 made but with him going absent it is not easy to understand what happened or understand what is going on. He provided some evidence to one of this claims but he did not provide anything of substance on his claim against the Gigabit account. He was active in the forum yesterday but as usual did not make a post. His last post was on 21st July 2023 in this thread. If loginsam45 does not show up here with evidence, I will lock the thread.

If JollyGood cared to help someone recover an account he could simply point them in this direction, and that would be the end of it.  He has never helped anyone recover an alt, he's not a mod or admin so he doesn't have the power.  Furthermore, he hunts alts because his only joy in life is to spam his name on the as many trust walls as possible, create multiple threads in the reputation board while he's at it, and have the longest ~exclusion list in the history of lists.  He's a spammer, a shitposter, and a trust abuser.

I checked your feedback page right after reading this post and couldn't find what I was looking for. But anyways, I have a logical explanation that may make sense. User loginsam45 posted several times saying he had several forum accounts, and now he is asking for help from forum members. This is why Jollygood created this thread and wanted to help loginsam45.



It's been almost 20 days, but loginsam45 does not have enough evidence that those are his accounts. You would also think like this JollyGood is trying to help loginsam45, but you didn't for some reason. I have seen many accurate feedback from JollyGood, but I won't say he is always right. Some people really need to utilize the userscript instead of using the feedback page for personal notes.

And, exactly who the fuck are you to make such demands?  A shit-posting reputation board spammer and trust abuser?  What makes you think you have any authority here?  Harassing newbies and 1xBit sig-campaigners, and shit-posting your way through the reputation board may have convinced some to elevate you into DT, but I have news for you; your demands don't mean shit.

loginsam45 logged in this morning but has yet again failed to make another post either in this thread or anywhere else. His last post was on 21st July 2023 and it is 8th August today therefore he should post here with an explanation. Until then we can only speculate as to what is really going on.

One speculation could be maybe some or all of the protagonists are making a deal behind the scenes to become friends again.

It's too small because loginsam45 barely made any post, but it might be not necessarily inadequate. The signed message he gave could point to the same quirk, I even made a remark about it, not realizing the possible implication behind it,


Is it too far fetched to think that the quirk of adding extra space after a bracket extend to adding extra space after special characters [so, it's not only brackets, but also --for the case above-- a line break]? I am honestly asking here.

Now, for your question of rhetorical thing, it might coincide with what's been churning in my brain since yesterday, that it's not necessarily rhetorical; that it actually the basis of all of this drama. So enter my second act: grasping at straws.

ltcrstrbrt was accused of being connected and abusing merit to and with bluedeep on Merit Overflow of ltcrstrbrt of which although I previously said that IMO it didn't reach a verdict, it probably serve a connection here. The thread connects ltcrstrbrt to bluedeep.

According to Halab, bluedeep was banned, with reason unknown to us. I think it's a tempo-ban as when I look at BPIP, there were not that crossed circle symbol [an account being tempo and perma ban got this symbol, don't they?]. The perma/tempo ban aside, one thing that we can say from the ban is that bluedeep account violate a forum rule. If we connect a merit abuser and a rule violator, there goes a whole reputation.

I think there is a possibility that this whole stunt is loginsam45 to get a clean sheet of his older accounts, ltcrstrbrt and bluedeep, by saying that it got hacked by his friends, thus all the action of merit abuse and tempo/perma ban is not his responsibility. If he get community support, he'll get a clean sheet. The ltcrstrbrt and bluedeep will become his again with previous record of abuse being disregarded.

As for why I think this is a possibility [though technically, me "grasping at straws" should be making statements out of thin air, but I don't make accusations without proof, so here's the possible supporting evidences], the selections of older and newer posts are not without intention. Both quoted posts by ltcrstrbrt, GigaBit, and bluedeep are taken from their recent [post long break] and earliest [prior to long break] activity.

Let's assume ltcrstrbrt and bluedeep --and GigaBit-- got hacked during the long break, then there should be a change of the writing quirk. I don't think his friends share the same quirk, or would be that careful that they copied everything down to the quirk. And, suppose they did, then GigaBit's writing will begin to have this quirk, but they aren't. GigaBit's writing style stays consistent, he never separates a bracket with extra space, before and after the long break. So, if GigaBit is loginsam45's account, together with ltcrstrbrt and bluedeep, written by the same man, why is it only his that didn't share the quirk?

My assumption on this will be that GigaBit got dragged into the mud randomly to throw away suspicions. One account is a merit abused, one account got a ban hammer, so maybe there's a need to add a clean account to the equation to make a convincing story.

Another thing about being hacked, seclog of bluedeep said this,



with ownership change sec-log refers to a one week period where someone request a manual reset and an email was sent to the original owner, notifying the original owner to check if the request is indeed from the real owner, of which loginsam45 should have known there is an attempt to hack his account, he's been notified after all. He can say, "no, that's not me, that's my friend. Please return it to me, they changed the password, I can't log in." and mods will be more than happy to revoke the ownership.

Of course, all of those assumptions above are a wild ideas chasing each others and perpetually growing, churning persistently at the back of my mind. loginsam45 can easily dispell this [and I'll profusely apologize for making a wrong assumption that he's trying to get a clean sheet] by signing a message from GigaBit's older wallet, because introducing GigaBit into the equation that he's also the original owner of GigaBit will invalidate my theory of writing quirk and clean sheet.

Yes, I do catch the similarity that you find. Although, I think that the sample from loginsam45 is too small, and it could be just a pure coincidence. Besides, if all three accounts are under the control of the same person right now, what would be the point of his claim? Rhetorical question, I know.

Ok, not sure why I kept reappearing here. But if... I may perform a far fetched analysis,  I took a very quick sweep through the four accounts and noticed a writing quirk shared between loginsam45, ltcrstrbrt, and bluedeep that's not shared by GigaBit.

[please note that I said it myself that it's far fetched for me, because if we use this basis, I fully realized that I shared a same quirk with BitcoinGirl.Club who, so far, is the only one on the forum that I find who have one distinct writing preference as me --though I move to that preference only recently-- thus one may propose that, since I gave this idea, I am subjected to be accused as the same account owner as BGC. I assure all of you that I am not, though.]

The samples are picked randomly by jumping through pages, but intentionally taken few from "recent" posts and few from old ones. To maintain fairness and make sure I am not seeing ghost or whatever, I'll leave these posts unmarked, see if anyone else also catches the same.

These are long posts, I know. The quoted posts below are not meant to be read carefully one by one, but rather simply be glanced.

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Now, if anyone catch the same similarity that I find, and only if anyone do, to prove that I am not reading between nonexistent lines, I'd like to complete my "witch hunt" by proposing an act of "grasping at straws", a theory that's been churning in my mind since last Sunday.

Thank you for clarifying your denial and for stating loginsam45 created a false narrative and allegation against you. It is now up to loginsam45 to come back and refute your denial to be taken seriously otherwise you are no obligation to prove anything.

It has also been noted you are unable to sign an address from 2014/2015 for the reasons you already gave that you do not have access to them.

Would you be able to explain why your posting patterns have changed from September 2018 when you were last active before coming back to post in April 2022?

I had previously replied to a post and I am repeating that I clearly deny the allegations against me. The user 'loginsam45' has falsely claimed. He has been asked to prove his allegations but he has not done. Furthermore, I have directly refuted their claim, so it's only fair for him to provide substantiation. On the one hand he is a newbie and on the other hand his baseless claims. So, it will depend on you how you perceive the matter and how you will approach it.

I agree.

Regardless of whether the Gigabit account was hacked or not, thankfully what has happened here (by bringing the Gigabit account in to the spotlight) is that we can all look at it conclude one way or another if the original owner/creator is still operating it. All that is missing is a little more input from the accuser (loginsam45) which might back up his claim to connecting the remaining accounts.

I would say that if there is an accuser, then he must prove guilt, not the accused.

I've been looking at Gigabit's post history. In my opinion, it differs from the moment that, in the past, a person was an experienced miner and wrote quite lively posts; after a while, we see only general, dry posts about mining. I can say by myself: I am not a miner, and I don’t know all the subtleties, but I can successfully read any article and retell it in my own words. This happens in Gigabit posts after a break.

We communicate on the forum, and quite often people who have experience in this or that activity write on their own behalf. Gigabit never said he was a miner and knew all his secrets, although you can see completely different posts earlier.
But it is not worth relying on these cases to determine whether there was a hack or a change of account. Similarly, people are not required to keep their old wallets. Indeed, a lot of time has passed.
The bottom line is that even if Gigabit isn't the actual owner, it's pretty well disguised. I think there are a lot of such accounts on the forum; it's just that people don't treat them correctly.

Yes the onus is on the accuser but Gigabit made an entry in the thread to deny wrongdoing then ignored the subsequent request for clarification. Instead of addressing it he decided to make a huge number of posts to meet his signature campaign quota before returning here with clarification. That was not the expected conduct by most members looking to explain they have no association with the hack allegations made against them.

It does not indicate guilt but it certainly does not look good when you read through post history and come to a conclusion something is not right there.

Not sure why ltcrstrbrt is not active or did he really abandoned his account but it seems he was defending himself. I had to refresh my mind and gave a quick read of some of the posts. It seems like even though he is a legendary account he does not have enough knowledge of how merit works. We can not blame a person for it if they are not active in the forum, very occationally if they are logging in, checking whatever they want and logging out. It seems I left my statement there too.

What odd is that these excited forum police gang are too quick to conclude anything based on few set up experiences they only experienced in their small life like [a.] someone exchange merit to someone oddly = They are alt, they traded merit [b.] someone wrote something similar to others, once twice, thrice = they are alt [c.] someone they don't like to argue with = make his feedback page their personal note [d.] someone posted someone else address = they both owned by one person and more one or two scripted logics. These police will interrogate, harass you, disrespect you until you are completely silent and lost everything. They are doing it constantly and forum is losing many members for them. So anything coming from them should be double checked, triple checked, before taking the accusation seriously. They just love it to see another forum member gone down.

I guess we have no way to know or at least I have any interest to know anything about him. If i am interested to hear anything from anyone then it's the accuser loginsam45 .

ltcrstrbrt has been inactive for almost four months now, indicating that he likely abandoned the account after his merit abusing incident came to light in this thread: "Merit Overflow of ltcrstrbrt." The evidence presented in that thread, connecting him to bluedeep, was compelling. However, he opted not to offer any meaningful response or address the allegations properly.

As for the GigaBit account, there is no evidence linking it to any of the other accounts, and loginsam45 has not offered any reasonable explanation for his allegations that I've seen.