I have always known that it will only be a matter of time before AI behaves just like humans, and it will even be near perfection if the AI is specifically drawn from a certain personality like we see the attempts today. They will do exactly as the person does, so this should not be so surprising anymore. It should not be concerning as well since it is all about delivery. If what humans are expected to do is done exactly by the AI or even better, what is now the headache in that? This is what AI development is even driving at.
The world is evolving whether we like it or not and it will get to a time that you will never be able to decipher the difference between Al works and humans. And guess what, some of these tools would be free when the time comes.
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I'm talking about what I think will happen in the future, that everything will be cheaper and even free and integrated in your mobile, not about what happens now, that we are in terms of AIs as in internet usage in 1998 or in smartphones usage in 2008.
I understand that what happens now with those GPTs is that if you go directly to their website they will want to charge you x for their subscription but the way to get volume will be through the GPT 4o chat subscription, which will pay them peanuts because it only charges $20 a month.
Yeah I know that, I was just mentioning how GPT4 was a paid feature (and still is), but now you can effectively get a few (10 I think) GPT4 responses a day for free out of GPT4o.
Clearly that means they keep buying the capacity and hardware to be able expand the number of users like that.
And I also believe that this will eventually not even be paid for. Technology becomes cheaper in record time, and tends to be integrated. I believe that in a few years you will have it available with your cell phone. Just as today you have google lens or similar integrated in the camera of your mobile and if you want to know about an image you don't even have to open the app to search.
Just look at GPT-4o for example. What would otherwise be an exclusive feature (GPT4) is not being made available to Free subscribers in limited quantities.
Although it looks like you can actually make a GPT that talks to your own API. While I was playing with the GPTs the other day to make the humanized example post, several of them asked me to connect to other websites and log into them. Which sounds pretty weird if you ask me because those APIs are also charging users for their own integration.
I'm talking about what I think will happen in the future, that everything will be cheaper and even free and integrated in your mobile, not about what happens now, that we are in terms of AIs as in internet usage in 1998 or in smartphones usage in 2008.
I understand that what happens now with those GPTs is that if you go directly to their website they will want to charge you x for their subscription but the way to get volume will be through the GPT 4o chat subscription, which will pay them peanuts because it only charges $20 a month.
And I also believe that this will eventually not even be paid for. Technology becomes cheaper in record time, and tends to be integrated. I believe that in a few years you will have it available with your cell phone. Just as today you have google lens or similar integrated in the camera of your mobile and if you want to know about an image you don't even have to open the app to search.
Just look at GPT-4o for example. What would otherwise be an exclusive feature (GPT4) is not being made available to Free subscribers in limited quantities.
Although it looks like you can actually make a GPT that talks to your own API. While I was playing with the GPTs the other day to make the humanized example post, several of them asked me to connect to other websites and log into them. Which sounds pretty weird if you ask me because those APIs are also charging users for their own integration.
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Just kidding.
Just kidding.
I understand the joke but for the sake of argument if you want I can hide from them that there are some things called internet and mobile too. I just had to open the app on my cell phone to see it.
Services like this are not cheap at all...
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I pay 20 bucks a month for the premium chat gpt which includes hundreds of specialized gpts like that one (you can see it in explore gpts). If you are in a signature campaign, it will not be expensive, even if it is one of those that pay very little, like $50 a week.
And I also believe that this will eventually not even be paid for. Technology becomes cheaper in record time, and tends to be integrated. I believe that in a few years you will have it available with your cell phone. Just as today you have google lens or similar integrated in the camera of your mobile and if you want to know about an image you don't even have to open the app to search.
I bet these guys open another company that can detect this tool. Then they raise the price on this tool once they claim to improve it so it can't be detected. Then they raise the price on their other tool once they can detect the improved version. And so on... 
I mean, wouldn't that be a genius business model right? I mean that's what Apple does, they create the problem and then they sell you solution, this company wouldn't probably need to do that, they can just sell it in that company, it might be a contradiction but at the least they don't have to be hassled. 
If enough members report suspicious posts that would be enough in my opinion, so we need more active reporters in forum.
All reports in the world won't be enough if mods are not strict enough and I am not sure that's the situation at the moment when I look at all those reported AI spammers that are not banned yet. 
With all this talk of trying to prevent IA in the forum, how will it be prevented when it is indistinguishable from human writing?
Services like this are not cheap at all, so cheaters would have to pay for each created post, and I don't believe their claims about 100% not being able to be detected for plagiarism.It is not that hard to identify when someone is constantly using help of AI tools for generating posts every day, and need to use only one tool for detecting that - our brain.
If enough members report suspicious posts that would be enough in my opinion, so we need more active reporters in forum.
Wow, this is actually pretty hilarious. From human to AI , and AI to AI to make the final output sound more human like lol. Isn’t that a trip. This day and age we live in man.
I bet these guys open another company that can detect this tool. Then they raise the price on this tool once they claim to improve it so it can't be detected. Then they raise the price on their other tool once they can detect the improved version. And so on...
With all this talk of trying to prevent IA in the forum, how will it be prevented when it is indistinguishable from human writing?
Wow, this is actually pretty hilarious. From human to AI , and AI to AI to make the final output sound more human like lol. Isn’t that a trip. This day and age we live in man. I’m just holding out for the day the humanoid AI robots come and they can make a robot clone of me that can come in and do my job so I can go golfing every day. I predict this shall happen in my lifetime, hopefully I get rich tho and won’t need to lmao
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Just kidding.
They are just marketing it as not being detected as AI written, but with enough input, the content will start looking predictable and AI detectors will have an easier task to recognize it as such. We can already see that some of them aren't tricked by this AI wearing a human mask. Marketing gibberish.
@theymos
Perhaps it's time you took a stance on AI written content and come up with a rule against it. Imagine you are banning mixers if it's easier.
Just kidding.
They are just marketing it as not being detected as AI written, but with enough input, the content will start looking predictable and AI detectors will have an easier task to recognize it as such. We can already see that some of them aren't tricked by this AI wearing a human mask. Marketing gibberish.
@theymos
Perhaps it's time you took a stance on AI written content and come up with a rule against it. Imagine you are banning mixers if it's easier.
AI to detect AI to humanize by AI. The AI show lol.
That's right, just imagine an AI that is designed to detect other AIs, who pretend to be humans and they play each other like a show, which shows them pitting their intelligence against each other. Maybe those of us who watched just sat and enjoyed their show while smiling and laughing.
But it's not just a show - each AI is learning from the conversation. Different coders will create different AI models, even using the same training data. It will be very interesting when we place two or more of our best AI systems together in a written* conversation and see which one contradicts itself first.
* We must forbid the AI systems from communicating in other ways, since we could not understand their evolving language.
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Earlier in 2017 
, Google revealed that the AI it uses for its Translate tool had created its own language, which it would translate things into and then out of. But the company was happy with that development and allowed it to continue.
, Google revealed that the AI it uses for its Translate tool had created its own language, which it would translate things into and then out of. But the company was happy with that development and allowed it to continue.AI to detect AI to humanize by AI. The AI show lol.
I use AI every day and in many cases the answers it gives are human. Here's an example. The other day I was dressed casually and went to buy a complete suit, with shirt and tie. When I was trying it on, it occurred to me to take a picture and upload it to the AI, and, without me asking it anything, it told me that the suit fit me very well, that the color matched my shirt and tie but that if it was for a formal occasion I should wear shoes instead of snickers, which is what I was wearing at the time (shoes were the only thing I wasn't going to buy because I have several good pairs at home).
BTW, read this article lol about people who used to lol a lot too:
20 genius inventions that were ridiculed, now everyday products
The “humanizer” thing made me laugh and I am not going to go into detail with the comments because I simply left you with the subject in case you are interested.
One thing is clear to me: the decade ahead of us is going to be the decade of AI, and the big money is going to be in it. Outside this forum, of course.
AI to detect AI to humanize by AI. The AI show lol.
That's right, just imagine an AI that is designed to detect other AIs, who pretend to be humans and they play each other like a show, which shows them pitting their intelligence against each other. Maybe those of us who watched just sat and enjoyed their show while smiling and laughing.
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When the case of members using AI to create post on this forum started to become popular, one member once said that "in time to come, AI can be modified to even create content that cannot be detected as AI-generated." I am not surprised at all to see this humernized AI, but whatever the case may be, I know that some members will still get caught using the AI to write comments just to earn money from the campaign they are participating in. When there are problems like this, solutions should also be sought, and what I suggest is that the moderators or the admin should come up with an official rule to ban or give a signature ban to any user that is caught using AI to create posts and let a thread be created for the list of victims and be pinged on the meta board. I believe that such an approach will instill fear in any member that wants to use AI.
Spammers shitpost AI because they are lazy. Most of them will be too lazy to run their text through a program like this, or even put effort into discovering it. Some of them are motivated just enough to manually make their texts a bit more shitty so its not totally obvious they are from ChatGPT. Although for native English speakers, its still fairly obvious what's going on if you're paying attention.
This is why, even if they "humanize" AI-generated output, it's still not going to convincingly look like a human wrote it because they just copy the entire response with the boilerplate introductions and endings and lists and all that, and the AI prints it with a certain character length, all sorts of fancy characters like bullet points (maybe the spammers are hard-working enough to fix those), smart quotes and fancy dashes.
And you can use these heuristics to catch even sophisticated humanized text. For example, look at my post above. It has em dashes in it. Even though I heavily make use of dashes in my posts, I never use em dashes. Ever. So just like that, you can tell with good confidence whether something was generated with an AI, or at least with this particular hint, a stock Apple device (as they format characters by default).
Spammers are too lazy to refine their output to look convincing as their ultimate goal is to make 200 posts a week across many accounts, so they are not usually going to apply any of these techniques to save time.
Alright, someone please tell me how this would work: we've got a lazy, shit-smelling, dirty barefoot dirtbag who wants to steal a spot in a signature campaign from someone who can really write--and this flea fart comes across a thread in Bitcoin Discussion something along the lines of, say, "Bitcoin vs. Gold??". Said fuck fart flea bag then does what exactly with an AI program? Does he just input the title of the thread and hope to his local god the program spits out something that nobody here will notice did not originate fully from a human brain?
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So I guess my question boils down to "what text are they running through an AI program?".
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So I guess my question boils down to "what text are they running through an AI program?".
I imagine its as easy as this:
Then here is the result:
If we start getting members changing their posting style massively, it should be obvious what's going on.
Also a solid way to expose said dirtbags.
Alright, someone please tell me how this would work: we've got a lazy, shit-smelling, dirty barefoot dirtbag who wants to steal a spot in a signature campaign from someone who can really write--and this flea fart comes across a thread in Bitcoin Discussion something along the lines of, say, "Bitcoin vs. Gold??". Said fuck fart flea bag then does what exactly with an AI program? Does he just input the title of the thread and hope to his local god the program spits out something that nobody here will notice did not originate fully from a human brain?
Seriously, I'm ne plus ignoranti of the mechanics of this chicanery, and is it really going to be that easy for all of the real scumbags we have on the forum to finally clear the language barrier by a huge margin?
If so, the end has begun for our fine forum, fellas.
So I guess my question boils down to "what text are they running through an AI program?". Would that be the shitpost in horrible English that they would normally post? If we start getting members changing their posting style massively, it should be obvious what's going on. But I fear the worst.
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Seriously, I'm ne plus ignoranti of the mechanics of this chicanery, and is it really going to be that easy for all of the real scumbags we have on the forum to finally clear the language barrier by a huge margin?
If so, the end has begun for our fine forum, fellas.
Most of them will be too lazy to run their text through a program like this, or even put effort into discovering it.
So I guess my question boils down to "what text are they running through an AI program?". Would that be the shitpost in horrible English that they would normally post? If we start getting members changing their posting style massively, it should be obvious what's going on. But I fear the worst.
I still don't see why someone will need an AI to do something as simple as discussions.
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Even though you're giving spammers a massive hint, I doubt they'll actually even read this topic, and therefore appreciate your choice in title.
Spammers shitpost AI because they are lazy. Most of them will be too lazy to run their text through a program like this, or even put effort into discovering it. Some of them are motivated just enough to manually make their texts a bit more shitty so its not totally obvious they are from ChatGPT. Although for native English speakers, its still fairly obvious what's going on if you're paying attention.
Ultimately, AI-generated posts are still deleted as spam, so if it still looks like spam (according to the mods), that's all that really matters when reporting posts.
Spammers shitpost AI because they are lazy. Most of them will be too lazy to run their text through a program like this, or even put effort into discovering it. Some of them are motivated just enough to manually make their texts a bit more shitty so its not totally obvious they are from ChatGPT. Although for native English speakers, its still fairly obvious what's going on if you're paying attention.
Ultimately, AI-generated posts are still deleted as spam, so if it still looks like spam (according to the mods), that's all that really matters when reporting posts.
Ai are so much poor technically especially when it relate to Bitcoin and maths, which is already gives a red flag and with the more trouble also that follows from the fact that it`s generated by an Ai obviously, so shitposters will rather move to a more free space like altcoin discussion, politics & society and gambling board since members usually gives little attention to this board though sometimes the Bitcoin Discussion is also included.
Yes of course AI are better at things like list or writing on a topic or something however I haven't come across one that's very good at things like solving math problems or analysis that requires reasoning and proper computation. Most AIs rely on some sort of data bank from their host where they produce their replies from and for mathematical based questions or problems they may not have an exact answer in their data bank to fit the question asked and in the process of trying to morph it the AI may end up making some errors.Relying on AI to make post is not a proper practice as the user just ends up copying and pasting the AI's reply without learning any thing from it .
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