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Quote from: ElectricMucus on October 08, 2011, 05:57:28 PM

Well, from what I've read long-term bears compare bitcoins to dutch tulips.
NFI how they arrive at this conclusion as tulips were never intended as a currency and bitcoin is.. I think most of it actually is about their wishful thinking that we get such a situation so they can buy it all up.

Alas they are really hidden long-term bulls.

Bull = bull
Bear = bull in disguise
Someone yet to hear of bitcoins = bull waiting to happen

Would some people like to talk down the value of bitcoins so they can get in cheaper? Sure. But bitcoin is a big boy now. It has been around for a relatively long time (Internet time) and shouldn't be affected by the jawboning of a few people. The only way one should reduce the value of bitcoins is to sell them off and depress the market. But that means they already have a bunch if bitcoins to sell, so why would they want to drive down the price of something they already own? It doesn't make sense.

The comparison with tulips is a little flawed, but it does highlight the maina which people can fall into as they attribute great value to something that essentially has none. Sure, tulips were never viewed as a serious currency. They didn't require electricity or run on the internet. But they did show the trap people can fall into when they think 'it can only go higher from here!' and 'it's different this time!'. Tulips, dotcoms, houses, bitcoins. It doesn't matter what it is, people can turn manic.

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Quote from: pennytrader on October 08, 2011, 06:28:24 PM

without long-term bulls like you guys, the price will crash to 0.1 or lower instantly. I'd like to say thanks. Because of you guys, I can continue to sell the coins I mine every day.

You’re welcome, enjoy your full subsidy until Peak Bitcoin (end of 2012 I expect).

Please continue regularly dumping at market price so that long term investors get better deals, and the coins get spread to more people. Thank you!

Also, I just added a chart for my technical picture in the OP. http://i.imgur.com/U8uDh.png

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Quote from: grod on October 08, 2011, 08:45:23 PM

Right this second it's possible to get ~$4 per day on hardware that would have otherwise mined $1.50 worth of bitcoins using $1.20 in power. You gotta love leveraged speculation.

P.s. Tulips were used as currency in Holland. They were routinely exchanged for a far wider range of goods and services than bitcoins today.

Well, these power rates are beyond anything the average user has access to. And industrial scale mining does not exist yet.

PPS: does the term "intended to" mean anything to you? People have traded with coal, cigarettes, whiskey, chewing gum and toilet paper but that doesn't mean that it is a currency. Heck bitcoin is even more a currency than gold is, even with it's wider acceptance it is mostly used for jewelry and the currency aspect playing a minor role.
With bitcoin it is almost exclusively a currency, while the hash chain can be used as a verification method of any data.

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Right this second it's possible to get ~$4 per day on hardware that would have otherwise mined $1.50 worth of bitcoins using $1.20 in power. You gotta love leveraged speculation.

P.s. Tulips were used as currency in Holland. They were routinely exchanged for a far wider range of goods and services than bitcoins today.

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without long-term bulls like you guys, the price will crash to 0.1 or lower instantly. I'd like to say thanks. Because of you guys, I can continue to sell the coins I mine every day.

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Quote from: wobber on October 08, 2011, 06:08:46 PM

Quote from: ElectricMucus on October 08, 2011, 05:57:28 PM

Alas they are really hidden long-term bulls.

It's a certainty that EVERYBODY, even the investors that bought at $14 think and want the price to be lower in order to buy more. But if it drops too low, can it recover? What if we're committing suicide? On the other had, if price sparks up to 4.7 MANY will sell, wanting to buyback at 3

Well it's a confidence game, and as long as there are early adopters willing to sell this can continue. But not till we are at the accumulative cost of all bitcoin currently in existence. I admit this figure is quite low but once we get near it there is no rational explanation for it to go lower and the figure increases every day.

My point is: Somebody has to own these bitcoins, even at the point of accumulative cost. There are only 2 choices either attribute some value to them or destroy them. The latter makes no sense, at least none I can think of.

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Quote from: ElectricMucus on October 08, 2011, 05:57:28 PM

Alas they are really hidden long-term bulls.

It's a certainty that EVERYBODY, even the investors that bought at $14 think and want the price to be lower in order to buy more. But if it drops too low, can it recover? What if we're committing suicide? On the other had, if price sparks up to 4.7 MANY will sell, wanting to buyback at 3

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Quote from: ElectricMucus on October 08, 2011, 05:57:28 PM

Alas they are really hidden long-term bulls.

Personally I think bitcoin has yet one more bubble ahead and possibly even bigger one then the last time. But I am not a long term bull - because the electricity cost look completely crazy for me, I am waiting for the next digital currency that will not bear this cost.

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Well, from what I've read long-term bears compare bitcoins to dutch tulips.
NFI how they arrive at this conclusion as tulips were never intended as a currency and bitcoin is.. I think most of it actually is about their wishful thinking that we get such a situation so they can buy it all up.

Alas they are really hidden long-term bulls.

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Quote from: N12 on October 08, 2011, 03:48:00 PM

Why are you a Long-Term Bull?

Because Bitcoin is fucking legendary futuristic and Uranus rules my chart hard. Plus the surrounding mystery of its creator just adds to the appeal for me. If I were any more insane, I'd refer to it as the second coming of Christ.

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Quote from: N12 on October 08, 2011, 04:18:04 PM

No, from 1$ to 0.5$ to 30$ to 4$. I have made my gains (and took them).

Perhaps you are in denial that Bitcoin might indeed work as a store of value? Perhaps you are in denial that you could be wrong on this one? Downtrend to zero, losing 4$ a month, eh?

Here’s a statistic for you:

All of 2009: practically worthless
Oct. 2010: 0.06$
Oct. 2011: 3.98$

According to you, it will go back to near worthless. Explain why.

BOOM! Way to drop the reason-bomb! +1

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Quote from: N12 on October 08, 2011, 03:48:00 PM

Why are you a Long-Term Bull?

I trust in the technology to monetize the web in a decentralized way. There's a lot of services not possible with any other payment system. The currently existing uses of Bitcoin barely scratch the surface of its full potential.

That's one of the reasons why I'm bullish on Bitcoin adoption. The good thing is, that for most applications the price of 1 BTC does not matter much (ie. they work equally well at 0.1 USD per 1 BTC). Therefore I don't care that much about the actual price of Bitcoin (1 BTC is an arbitrary unit after all). In the long term I expect the price of Bitcoin to go up along with larger adoption though.

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Quote from: N12 on October 08, 2011, 03:48:00 PM

Why are you a Long-Term Bull?

I'm not, I'm agnostic. It's really the only honest position one can take at the moment, given the public information about bitcoin.

N12

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No, from 1$ to 0.5$ to 30$ to 4$. I have made my gains (and took them).

Perhaps you are in denial that Bitcoin might indeed work as a store of value? Perhaps you are in denial that you could be wrong on this one? Downtrend to zero, losing 4$ a month, eh?

Here’s a statistic for you:

All of 2009: practically worthless
Oct. 2010: 0.06$
Oct. 2011: 3.98$

According to you, it will go back to near worthless. Explain why.

Nagle

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Ah, denial. From $30 to $4, and there are still suckers in the game.

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Quote from: N12 on October 08, 2011, 03:48:00 PM

I am a Long-Term Bull.

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N12

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I am a Long-Term Bull.

1. Fundamentally, the block chain technology is the first system in existence featuring a technologically enforced, pre-defined monetary policy which cannot be manipulated. After almost 3 years, Bitcoin is still king of the block chains. In the long run, it trumps fiat money because of its decentralized nature. It trumps precious metals because of its digital nature. It’s also near impossible to counterfeit, unlike Gold and cash.

2. Chart: http://i.imgur.com/U8uDh.png
Technically, the divergence in RSI since August continues (no new low in RSI for the second major time, while price again did a new low). Same with the MACD. All this despite huge sell volumes. The bears are losing control just like the bulls did when price got to 30.

3. Sentiment seems almost completely destroyed, judging from recent polls. Everyone is expecting this thing to fully crash.

I have cash – I always turn into a closet bear when things look bad short term to gather more Bitcoins. I will continue snatching up coins. Our kind is almost ready to take over this market.

Why are you a Long-Term Bull?

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