Topic: Looking for a public Addy for a 2013 BF lealana 1ltc #6586. SMOOTHIE? (Read 675 times)

the thing is some sellers do not even understand what is meant by the full address, look at this convo I had with a seller on ebay:

me:
do you have the COA's for these coins? or the full actual address?

seller:
There never where COA’s for these coins Florida neighbor

me:
ok. I know some do have them - some dont. I dont know all which do specifically.
do you have the public address though?

seller:
It’s on the coin label

me:
what do you mean coin label? the hologram?

seller:
I have 2 of these I will sell you for $25k cash each. That’s the prices for loaded graded coins. Have a good day

me:
I am asking you again - for the unfunded and buyer funded coins you are selling - do you have the full address?

seller:
Do you have the full amount needed? If you’re not familiar with anything use google. I already answered your questions the problem is you don’t understand the answer.

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They will not answer whether they have the full public address - instead deflect by trying to sell me loaded, telling me to go to google etc
So, my guess is they do not understand or they do understand and realize they are trying to get 3k USD for a paperweight.

Avatar? Oh snap I'm a full member now. Thanks.

Then why is there several people telling me he used to get them addresses for their coins? But I guess he is selective to which members he chooses to help? 🤔 Why can't he speak for himself?

I wasn't around early enough, but if he always said he won't share addresses, he shouldn't change that now. That's the risk of buying second hand coins. It's good to know before buying them though.

@OP: have an avatar That's all I could do for you.

Ghost of Satoshi > Ghosting of Lealana

I don’t even like Yoda yet I agree with him…. **(Watching the merit flood in lmao)**

Hey, all the points you guys are making are great if you are talking about someone that’s retired & sippin Mai Tai’s on the beach & no longer active on the boards & making new physical crypto. Can he speak for himself?  Not too much to ask.

1. I do not think the theorized narrative that Smoothie is "too lazy to lookup an address" is a good narrative. It fails to understand the proposed technicalities involved.

2. I doubt the proposed $100 per address lookup paid to Smoothie would even raise an eyebrow. I don't consider his motives fueled by money. There is something more behind his efforts then solely the motivation for capital.

3. Security, security, security. One small leak sinks great ships. Breaking protocol a single time can often result in the collapse of an entire operation. In this case you are assuming he does not have in place some protocol or internal rule when it comes to public address distribution.

4. When going hyper private, hyper secure and securing other people's cyber currency. There is no room for error. Error results in the collapse of an entire empire.

Casasscius went public and did everything in the open, Smoothie went private and choose to do everything in secret.

Two different ways to address the same problem. Two different strategies to approach the secure storage of cyber money.

Neither is better than the other.

This was very well put.

First off, I get it. I own multiple coins of his with no addresses. Its always the first question I ask. If there is no address I price coin accordingly. Sure it would be nice If Smoothie just posted a 100 page list of the ten thousand  coins he made. However I can think of reasons why he wouldn't. In order for him to give you an address he needs to make 100% sure that the address he gives you is connected with the PK under your hologram. Could you imagine the liability for him if he gives you an address  and the PK doesn't match for whatever reason. He then could be liable for the loaded amount. I mean were talking 10 thousand addresses over a decade old based on first bit and serial numbers. There is just no benefit for him to do it. He needs to spend time to research each coin and verify the address before he gives it out. Frankly I would be happy to pay upwards of $100 for his service to look up and verify an address. Your anger should really be placed with the buyer who sold you the coin. He should of made it very clear that the address was not available. I mean the original buyer is the guy who lost the address. On the bright side I think he has evolved over the years and has solved these problems in his newer coins.


  Smoothie- How about a pay service to look up addresses???

Well now that's different I've never heard of that so if you have any examples please post them.

I did see your comment on his death coin thread about stacks and bowers but you also have to understand that smoothie has dealt with lots of high-end customers simply through his email, who have paid extra to make certain things. That said, he also certainly reserves the right to sell whatever he chooses from his collection on s&b.

I get that you are pissed off but again this is America. 🤷‍♂️

From my understanding. People have got addresses from him in the past tho. I have heard this from several people. Since I made this post I started asking around. I got alot of different perspectives. This is why I don't even care about my coin anymore. I feel it has to be talked about.

I agree, but like I said when you made obligations to keep the lists between buyer->customer, that's it. end of. Perhaps he now regrets this (I think he probably does, actually at least for the BTC coins, but you cannot get a time capsule to get lists back if you don't have them either, so who knows)? Just exploring the different scenarios - Sure I have may talked to him off and over the past ten years about a ziillion different codign type things but I never asked about this, as it was pretty clear in the older auctions (if they are still available in wayback or on forum, I have not checked, as I don't have any vested interest in this, I just think people don't understand how time and business evolved here).

Does he regret this decision? I don't know, nor is it my business, but Yes, I would sure regret making that obligation to customers right now due to the pressure, but again, he probably doesn't really care. he knows his position and this is why he is not going to reply to ether mopar or yoda on his death thread either. Also, he's super busy as always with whatever next creation he has and the orders he has to fill etc etc..

Sorry again it is just what it is. I really don't try and take sides here, I see it from both angles but I'm just giving you the history so to speak. These coins went for super-cheap back in the day in his weekly auctions, silver and brass... Once a winner, the auction ended there, there was never any mention of if winner funded or not, nor any address lists except via GPG/PGP signed messages over PM's. 

Yeah no legal liability. But what about the people and the coins. That shows character. Like the public address is in some way able to access the funds? It makes no sense for him to do this. That's what I'm saying. Not to mention the red coas that popped up and gold plated coins no one saw. But ended up on a secondary seller market? 🤔 I'm saying it's shady. So i am calling it out. Because for some reason no one is. Which is weird because most ppl here are quick to call out shadiness or something that is off. Instead people just kiss his ass. It's crazy to me. I don't usually start drama and this is really the first time I have really spoke my mind on something like this. But I couldn't bite my tounge no more. I felt I had to say something about it.

Then what's up with the errors? Can he not get it right? Every coin since 2016 has had issues. But yet he looked at like one of the top physical creators? I don't understand.

Here's the thing tho. There was no real "Community" back then. You also have to consider the volume of coins he has sold as well without any apparent major issues. His record is incredibly spotless except for one mess-up on the King kaheman coins to the best of my knowledge.

Did he even keep the old BF coin lists? Would I have back then if I were him? Probably not... Why? I already told the buyer they would never be given out. It's about obligations as well here.

What's worse, betraying your old customers or giving in to the "Community"?  In his current state, you already know which as do I ...

He has a standard. That's it. I know it sucks, but it is what it is. As I said, he has no legal liability to do anything, and he's still making coins, so there is that, and I'm sorry that bothers you too, but hey, this is 'Murica, and people can do business the way they please. Not being a c*nt here, just stating the obv...

Cheers,
Owl

It shows character when the person let's his most prized coins die rather than to dig up the public addys. I for one will never buy lealana again. It shows me who he is to abandon the community and let these prized pieces become useless. I don't want anything to do with someone like that. I don't know why this has just been accepted when others make sure to make it public. It should be standard practice to put the addresses on a master list on the forum like so many others have. This is only one argument. There are several others as well.

Ok, so I'm not here to piss on anything or anyone, just try and shed some light on forum history here:

I understand this frustration, but you have to remember that smoothie has always stated he will never give the addresses out except to original buyers.

This is the privacy-centricness in him, which may have/probably led to (?) the Monero coins early in XMR history, as that is where I first actually interacted with him, the XMR development thread back when XMR first spun-up etc.

Also, have you ever read his websites TOS/TAC? (Warning SSL expired, or was never put in place, this site is very old: http://lealana.com/tac.php )

So yeah. I've been here almost ten years, and this was always a well known "thing" in his early auctions I was lucky enough to even watch lol.

Sorry, I know that's a shitty reply, but it is what it is. You can't make someone do something when they have zero legal obligation to do so, nor personal.

As far as the BF vs. Non-BF thing, I'm not going there right now, most people know my opinion on that as well.

Thanks,
Owl

I agree with this 100%.  A coin maker who is still active selling coins that let's his coins become paper weights says something when other makers release the public address lists. Then I have other collectors say they use to get addys from him a few years back for a few bits. But now he won't respond on ly ignore and let the coins become useless. How people get the coins is besides the point. In this case it didn't come with it so I was trying to see if I could obtain it. But as I ask around, I hear more and more people say the same thing.That smoothie has just abandoned his old coins and customers and that this is a very common issue among this community with lealana coins.  But is still here selling coins. So I figured someone has to say something. Because alot of people are just licking boots. So I figured I would speak up. It's not cool. I'm sure people will have their opinions but I'm just speaking my mind and it's not right he would treat the collectors and his coins like this. It's sad really. I'm not being hostile but just calling it like I see it. I'm saying what alot of people are thinking.  Trust me this isn't just about my coin. Because at this point I really don't even care about it anymore.

Yeah but Mike released the public addys too. 👀

I may be mistaken, but I think Mike did that with some of the Casascius bearer bars