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Everyone repeats over and over again Gavin would be the successor of Satoshi but is there actually any evidence for that?

It's a ridiculous concept. There is nobody in charge of Bitcoin. There is no King of Bitcoin. There is no successor. It is sad that so many people need someone to tell them what to do and what to think. If anything kills Bitcoin, it will be that.
Yeah it's pretty sad that people need a leader. People is free to run Core or run XT based on their prefered views on the software, not on who is proposing the changes on the software.

...but on what is proposed software does. According to the block size growth, we need to increase maximum block size and no, it won't lead to centralization. But I still don't know whether 20MB maximum block size is needed ATM or is it better to have a lower maximum block size and increase it later if needed. I am still thinking on it. Anybody?

Why not start with 2MB size limit and when a certain threshhold is exceeded (2.8 for example) go up to 4 MB etc.?

I think the reason Gavin has decided on 20MB is to avoid repeating the adversity of again forking the client.

Quote from: PM from a dev
Bear in mind 20mb is a LIMIT. We are not anywhere near having enough transaction demand to fill 20mb blocks anytime soon.

But even if we hit 20mb tomorrow (won't happen), anyone can run a full node in pruning node, in which case old data is deleted and all you need is the UTXO set + a bit. So that's one or two gigabytes, hardly a big deal.
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Everyone repeats over and over again Gavin would be the successor of Satoshi but is there actually any evidence for that?

It's a ridiculous concept. There is nobody in charge of Bitcoin. There is no King of Bitcoin. There is no successor. It is sad that so many people need someone to tell them what to do and what to think. If anything kills Bitcoin, it will be that.
Yeah it's pretty sad that people need a leader. People is free to run Core or run XT based on their prefered views on the software, not on who is proposing the changes on the software.

...but on what is proposed software does. According to the block size growth, we need to increase maximum block size and no, it won't lead to centralization. But I still don't know whether 20MB maximum block size is needed ATM or is it better to have a lower maximum block size and increase it later if needed. I am still thinking on it. Anybody?

Why not start with 2MB size limit and when a certain threshhold is exceeded (2.8 for example) go up to 4 MB etc.?

I think the reason Gavin has decided on 20MB is to avoid repeating the adversity of again forking the client.
AGD
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Everyone repeats over and over again Gavin would be the successor of Satoshi but is there actually any evidence for that?

It's a ridiculous concept. There is nobody in charge of Bitcoin. There is no King of Bitcoin. There is no successor. It is sad that so many people need someone to tell them what to do and what to think. If anything kills Bitcoin, it will be that.
Yeah it's pretty sad that people need a leader. People is free to run Core or run XT based on their prefered views on the software, not on who is proposing the changes on the software.

...but on what is proposed software does. According to the block size growth, we need to increase maximum block size and no, it won't lead to centralization. But I still don't know whether 20MB maximum block size is needed ATM or is it better to have a lower maximum block size and increase it later if needed. I am still thinking on it. Anybody?

Why not start with 2MB size limit and when a certain threshhold is exceeded (2.8 for example) go up to 4 MB etc.?
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Everyone repeats over and over again Gavin would be the successor of Satoshi but is there actually any evidence for that?

It's a ridiculous concept. There is nobody in charge of Bitcoin. There is no King of Bitcoin. There is no successor. It is sad that so many people need someone to tell them what to do and what to think. If anything kills Bitcoin, it will be that.
Yeah it's pretty sad that people need a leader. People is free to run Core or run XT based on their prefered views on the software, not on who is proposing the changes on the software.

...but on what is proposed software does. According to the block size growth, we need to increase maximum block size and no, it won't lead to centralization. But I still don't know whether 20MB maximum block size is needed ATM or is it better to have a lower maximum block size and increase it later if needed. I am still thinking on it. Anybody?
legendary
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Everyone repeats over and over again Gavin would be the successor of Satoshi but is there actually any evidence for that?

It's a ridiculous concept. There is nobody in charge of Bitcoin. There is no King of Bitcoin. There is no successor. It is sad that so many people need someone to tell them what to do and what to think. If anything kills Bitcoin, it will be that.
Yeah it's pretty sad that people need a leader. People is free to run Core or run XT based on their prefered views on the software, not on who is proposing the changes on the software.
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Everyone repeats over and over again Gavin would be the successor of Satoshi but is there actually any evidence for that?

Can someone please show where Satoshi determined goofy Gavin as his successor?
Thanks in advance for providing that evidence!


it is the same person:

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Everyone repeats over and over again Gavin would be the successor of Satoshi but is there actually any evidence for that?

It's a ridiculous concept. There is nobody in charge of Bitcoin. There is no King of Bitcoin. There is no successor. It is sad that so many people need someone to tell them what to do and what to think. If anything kills Bitcoin, it will be that.
hero member
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Everyone repeats over and over again Gavin would be the successor of Satoshi but is there actually any evidence for that?

Can someone please show where Satoshi determined goofy Gavin as his successor?
Thanks in advance for providing that evidence!
Why Satoshi need a successor?  Gavin is just a core developer and not a successor of Satosh.
Bitcoin is open source, any one can contribute it.

the only explanation is that gavin is actually saotshi, or he belongs to the groug called "satoshi nakamoto"

another is because Satoshi trusted only Gavin, and gave him the alert key because he was affected by a disease, and it was dying

Then if Gavin is really Satoshi he should stop fucking around and make it public, at least he would probably get more support than what he does get now.

If he is Satoshi and if he reveals himself, people may think this is his new plan to make people adopt 20 MB fork.
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Lol, these toxic people again. I'm not MP.


1MB is better than a fork without consensus because it could potentially destroy everyones' value.

Roadstress get off my thread you scum of the earth.
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Everyone repeats over and over again Gavin would be the successor of Satoshi but is there actually any evidence for that?

Can someone please show where Satoshi determined goofy Gavin as his successor?
Thanks in advance for providing that evidence!

Hey Mircea Popescu! Where was the consensus to lower the limit from 32MB to 1MB?

lol i see what you did there
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Everyone repeats over and over again Gavin would be the successor of Satoshi but is there actually any evidence for that?

Can someone please show where Satoshi determined goofy Gavin as his successor?
Thanks in advance for providing that evidence!

Hey Mircea Popescu! Where was the consensus to lower the limit from 32MB to 1MB?
legendary
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Everyone repeats over and over again Gavin would be the successor of Satoshi but is there actually any evidence for that?

Can someone please show where Satoshi determined goofy Gavin as his successor?
Thanks in advance for providing that evidence!
Why Satoshi need a successor?  Gavin is just a core developer and not a successor of Satosh.
Bitcoin is open source, any one can contribute it.

the only explanation is that gavin is actually saotshi, or he belongs to the groug called "satoshi nakamoto"

another is because Satoshi trusted only Gavin, and gave him the alert key because he was affected by a disease, and it was dying

Then if Gavin is really Satoshi he should stop fucking around and make it public, at least he would probably get more support than what he does get now.
AGD
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Keeper of the Private Key
Everyone repeats over and over again Gavin would be the successor of Satoshi but is there actually any evidence for that?

Can someone please show where Satoshi determined goofy Gavin as his successor?
Thanks in advance for providing that evidence!
Why Satoshi need a successor?  Gavin is just a core developer and not a successor of Satosh.
Bitcoin is open source, any one can contribute it.

the only explanation is that gavin is actually saotshi, or he belongs to the groug called "satoshi nakamoto"

another is because Satoshi trusted only Gavin, and gave him the alert key because he was affected by a disease, and it was dying

Aliens?
legendary
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Everyone repeats over and over again Gavin would be the successor of Satoshi but is there actually any evidence for that?

Can someone please show where Satoshi determined goofy Gavin as his successor?
Thanks in advance for providing that evidence!
Why Satoshi need a successor?  Gavin is just a core developer and not a successor of Satosh.
Bitcoin is open source, any one can contribute it.

the only explanation is that gavin is actually saotshi, or he belongs to the groug called "satoshi nakamoto"

another is because Satoshi trusted only Gavin, and gave him the alert key because he was affected by a disease, and he was dying

p.s. lol AGD, corrected
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Everyone repeats over and over again Gavin would be the successor of Satoshi but is there actually any evidence for that?

Can someone please show where Satoshi determined goofy Gavin as his successor?
Thanks in advance for providing that evidence!
Why Satoshi need a successor?  Gavin is just a core developer and not a successor of Satosh.
Bitcoin is open source, any one can contribute it.
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So Satoshi just made the mistake of handing the alert keys to Gavin and now we are stuck with him or what?

How can we fire Gavin? He is clearly trying to damage Bitcoin.

What is your alternative to fix the incoming 1MB block size limit? because we are headed towards a dead end. Gavin's solution is simply a proposal.
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So Satoshi just made the mistake of handing the alert keys to Gavin and now we are stuck with him or what?

How can we fire Gavin? He is clearly trying to damage Bitcoin.
legendary
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It was the same Gavin, who went to the authorities, that presumably forced Satoshi to go underground.

Did Satoshi differ from Gavin on this step? Was he mad about this? Was he scared or threatend? .....Did he find out something, we all did not know? ...... Nobody except Gavin know, and he is not saying much.

He has the key to the kingdom, and nobody is really asking questions on how he got there...

Gavin has been a very loyal supporter of Bitcoin, nobody can dispute that... but his latest actions puts a dark smudge on everything he did. Nobody is bigger than the community  Sad Sad Sad 

It's not something that we know for certain although the evidence does point towards it influencing Satoshi's decision to leave. Satoshi was already mostly inactive on the forums by late 2010 so it's likely that he was planning to disappear long before Gavin announced he was giving a presentation to the CIA (in June 2011).

I don't understand his great efford to force this 20MB fork. Is there something, that depends on this big blocksize other than just transactions without fee getting stuck? Why not strenthen peoples will to pay a 0.0001 BTC fee instead?

how adding more fee will help?if 10 ten people want to do a transaction at the same time only 3-4, will go through no matter the fee, the fee will just prioritize who has the higher ones

Enforcing a higher fee would probably reduce the number of spammy transactions though - i.e. so that instead of having 10 people wanting to make a transaction, you might find that only 5 people want to make a transaction.

yeah but this can't resolve the issue, those 5 will wait for the next "second" to do that transaction but then another 5, will not do it for the same reason.. in the end you will have a long queue where a number of transactions(which keeps getting higher each day) are stuck because of the limit, and the fee can't do nothing to this...

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It was the same Gavin, who went to the authorities, that presumably forced Satoshi to go underground.

Did Satoshi differ from Gavin on this step? Was he mad about this? Was he scared or threatend? .....Did he find out something, we all did not know? ...... Nobody except Gavin know, and he is not saying much.

He has the key to the kingdom, and nobody is really asking questions on how he got there...

Gavin has been a very loyal supporter of Bitcoin, nobody can dispute that... but his latest actions puts a dark smudge on everything he did. Nobody is bigger than the community  Sad Sad Sad 

It's not something that we know for certain although the evidence does point towards it influencing Satoshi's decision to leave. Satoshi was already mostly inactive on the forums by late 2010 so it's likely that he was planning to disappear long before Gavin announced he was giving a presentation to the CIA (in June 2011).

I don't understand his great efford to force this 20MB fork. Is there something, that depends on this big blocksize other than just transactions without fee getting stuck? Why not strenthen peoples will to pay a 0.0001 BTC fee instead?

how adding more fee will help?if 10 ten people want to do a transaction at the same time only 3-4, will go through no matter the fee, the fee will just prioritize who has the higher ones

Enforcing a higher fee would probably reduce the number of spammy transactions though - i.e. so that instead of having 10 people wanting to make a transaction, you might find that only 5 people want to make a transaction.
legendary
Activity: 3248
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I don't understand his great efford to force this 20MB fork. Is there something, that depends on this big blocksize other than just transactions without fee getting stuck? Why not strenthen peoples will to pay a 0.0001 BTC fee instead?

how adding more fee will help?if 10 ten people want to do a transaction at the same time only 3-4, will go through no matter the fee, the fee will just prioritize who has the higher ones
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