Topic: Looking For Vig-Free Action On Sports? - page 4. (Read 4041 times)

Require the FULL AMOUNT in escrow. You're asking for a scam here brian...

Interesting.  I am attempting to flush out a possibly scammer . . . . signing up today and showing up in this thread and seem to be the only person besides me who endorses the trust system.  What i did with this post was stick bait out there but your response intrigues me.  The HUGE red flags are not there.  I would have expected you to want to book all three or take the bigger favorite (yankees). 

I honestly can not make a decision by this response from you picking milwaukee and nothing else.  I was not planning on playing this game but ill take miami ML if you still want to make the bet. 

However, since you are indeed a new account that signed up today and showed up in this thread during the debate over scammers i would require you to send half the placed bet ahead of time.

I would be willing to bet up to 0.05 BTC on this game if you are willing to do that.  If not that is fine no harm done and you can try your luck with someone else.

I will take MIL ML tomorrow, risk up to .05 btc on it.  If you want it, post the current vig free odds and reply booked.

I was just pointing out that localbitcoin doesnt work.

If anyone is on the opposite of these three plays tomorrow please let me know, im gonna hold off putting them in a sports book for now.

Miami ML

White Sox ML

Dodgers ML

Agree on that 100%.  You arent out anything, and its really easy to let people know the person did not pay out. 

If anyone wants to make a small bet vig free, I may take on one if I like the other side.

Thank you i have mentioned the two pus two thread for trading money in here multiple times but i do not think they understand how it works.  The difference here is that its a lot safer.  You dont techincally lose money if someone doesnt pay up their bet.  As if you were burned when trading money you would have sent your portion of the money and received nothing in return. 

This site has trust on the account which makes it even easier than two plus two where you would have to search through thousands of pages to figure out if the guy had a positive rep.

then what are you proposing we use as an escrow for btc bets? Or are you proposing that we constantly bet between cash and BTC and have to convert it possibly losing or gaining money?

Either way if that is how you want to do it that is fine.  Personally i dont mind paying the vig at a sportsbook and that is why i make the majority of my bets there.  I only check here to see if certain people want to take the other side of any of my plays before i put them in at a book.

This reminds me of the 2+2 betting thread, except they do it based on trusting each other, not escrow.  If someone does not pay up, they are never allowed to place a bet again.

I won't send someone my btc as an escrow, especially as I bet small time.  I wouldnt require the other person to escrow either.  If they dont pay out, they will be called out, and people will know not to bet with the welcher.  It's pretty simple.

1% afaik but it doesnt work as an escrow for btc / btc bets

Having a fee for an escrow quickly becomes the opposite a vig free bet

and what % does local bitcoins take ?

Id have taken it for 0.1 BTC. Didnt see it in time. Pm me if you want a future team total, ill do up to 0.1 BTC. Maybe more

fair enough, I might take some action once in a while

Unless you're PROVEN and i mean truly PROVEN trustworthy, all vig free bets must be escrowed (if dealing with me). Localbitcoins or another escrow site works.

Glad no one took me up on the over 3 Team total for houston, made this play instead:

https://nitrogensports.eu/betslip/3721fd4RVZBMUtXV3dwMjRlenVJUTdsMnpWdz09/r/33588/

Ive traded on 2p2 with trusted members , I havent been scammed either but others have. In the high stakes xfer thread there are actual known personalities with a track record. Who do you know Bitcointalk that has a track record as a sportsbettor?

you keep referring back to a point i already made.  i know right now at this moment in time there is not really any trust for anyone bc this just started.  But months from now there will be people in here with trust and if someone comes in that is not known and has no trust then you can require them to send a portion of the bet before the game.

If they dont want to do it then dont bet with them.  They would probably be someone trying to scam.

Okay for a small amount I agree I would gamble for small amount with people who seem trustworthy.

Still ive seen it personally, I have been around gamblers and the best course of action in general is to NOT trust ANYONE no matter who.

This trust system seems like a perfect gound for desperate gambler to take a free shot. Ive seen it, a broke gambler will scam you for even small amounts, they will invent the biggest sob story just so you give them 5$ to eat which they hope they can spin up into 10k.

Its hard enough to trust friends, what about an anonymous gambling forum?

Oh and i was never once burned trading money on two plus two.  Others were but in almost all cases it was because the person wanted their money traded fast and did not do the research to see if he was trading with a new account or not.  Then he would transfer a very large some of money first to an account that had either not done any trades who done a few small trades and he would get burned.  I had a system for trading large amounts of money, i would do them in increments.  This why if i do get burned im going to get burned for a very small % of my money.  There are ways to figure these things out, an escrow holding a lot of coins worth a lot of money is not one of them.

You do realize the whole idea behind using an escrow is using someone you "trust" right?  But in this case of trust everyone is sending one person their coins to hold and then disperse them according to bets.  Your logic makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.  If you are saying the trust system wont work then why are you trusting someone you dont know to hold a lot of coins instead of trusting the one person you make a bet with to send a small amount if they lose a bet.  On top of that over time people will gain trust and it will reflect in their trust rating.  Take a look at six figures, its +1 because i gave him positive feed back when he paid his loss. But you would rather everyone send amounts of BTC to someone who is deemed "trust worthy" and have them in charge of a large amount of coins?  Thats insane.  I dont trust any escrow, you want to know why?  Because how do i know you dont know the guy?  How do i know he will run away with the coins and then send you half of them?  I trust myself to send a losing bet.  If i dont pay a bet guess what?  I basically will be forced to leave the forum.

I agree, some people will take advantage of this and make bets with coins they do not have and will not pay when they lose.  However, if you are a trust worthy person, and your rating shows, and you have made, lost and paid a lot of bets you have the power to require a lesser known better who does not have such a rating to send a certain % of the bet before the game starts to hold on to.  This is how it is suppose to work.  I have been around this enough during the poker boom trading money on two plus two with people i didnt know.  If someone approached me wanting to trade i would do my research and figure out if their have been any complains.  I would see how many successful trades he has done and if he had done a lot more than me i would send my money first and he would send his second.  Then we would each leave positive feed back in the thread to be tracked by people later on.  This is how this stuff is suppose to work.