Topic: Looks like the manipulator is failing you guys, muahahahaha - page 2. (Read 5846 times)
America has nothing to do with me or its national narcissism. Step away from the mirror and gently look around.
QFT, Qoheleth. My vote is obviously for laziness as the primary factor, but certainly stratification exists. How much of either one is to blame? I have a great idea: let's have the government spend billions of dollars researching this for us! They can just tax the top 1% more to pay for it.... ;-)
like he probably did when he pushed it to $30.00.
Man what? I thought the $30 was your run-of-the-mill hype bubble.I mean, I totally agree that Bitcoin's only going to succeed long-term if we can establish an economy with it - an ecosystem of goods and services using Bitcoin as the currency of exchange. And the manipulator running around is making it hard to tell what the coins are actually worth in the context of that theoretical economy. But neither of those things mean that every positive motion of the BTC/USD exchange rate was deliberate market manipulation by persons unknown.
And all I have to say about the political derail is:
America became great by allowing people to succeed and realize the American Dream. Today, we now have millions of people feeling entitled to the American Dream, and the only way they can see to get there is to tax those who have already accomplished this.
Then the real fact under debate is: is the lack of social mobility in this day and age a matter of laziness, or a matter of genuine stratification?(That's not a question that's easy to answer! Anecdotes won't cut it!)
I'm on the side of people trying to work hard and earn money through their efforts, and I'm doing my best to succeed in life. So far, things are going all right. If you want to handicap the 1% to give to the 99%, you're looking at a system doomed to fail. What happens when we take enough from the wealthy that there's no benefit to becoming wealthy? Then who do we tax next to support all the supplicants, beggars, and sycophants? Eventually, the path of taxing the wealthy and giving to the poor leads to failure.
Congrats that things are going for well, and I hope you recognize that there are many things that could have happened that would have kept you from doing well: getting sick and unable to work for a stretch, an ailing parent or child that needs hours of care every day, not having money to buy a car that's necessary to get to work, etc. Statistically speaking, _most_ people have challenges, and it's hard to understand that, for most, it wasn't a choice. A study of bankruptcy filings shows that over half were for health care-related issues, which are almost 100% not their fault in any way. You didn't get leukemia as a childGovernment is basically a huge insurance company that also has an army. Sounds like you're one of those that hasn't needed an insurance policy, whether private, or public. Good for you, and hope that keeps up. But I don't think you should begrudge your fellow humans that have been less fortunate, through no fault of their own, and need medicare or medicaid, which are the biggest US government programs. It's intellectually lazy to think that those that have had problems are "supplicants, beggars, and sycophants".
Also, no one is asking for a system with equal income quintiles and no motivation to work. They just want a level playing field, not one where rich kids are 7 times more likely to become rich themselves - that's called oligarchy.
I'm currently paying over $400 per month to get insurance for my wife and child, with another child on the way, and since the passing of Obamacare our costs have gone up 35% in less than two years. Strange that something like government health care would cause prices on normal health insurance to go up, isn't it? Almost like we're being forced to turn to the government even more, but why would the people in power want us even more dependent than ever on them? Oh, wait: "In power." 'Nuf said.
The system is very broken right now, but not because we're avoiding taxing the rich. The system is broken because government is too big and is trying to control too many things. There are too many hands in the kitchen, and the food is coming out a disaster. We've got lawers passing laws that require lawyers to interpret the laws, and they're paid more than just about any profession. Once you get to be a judge, watch out: you get appointed and you have a life long position of power and influence, with no way to get voted out. I'd say more than anything we're becoming a society ruled by the courts. Beyond that we have politicians taking kickbacks and pretending to look out for the needs of the poor and downtrodden when what they're really doing is creating dependency.
I have no illusions that one party is better than the other here either, as both are horribly corrupt. Every time I vote for high ranking officials it's a matter of determining who will be less "evil". I'd fire the whole lot of them if I could, but then we'd just get replacements that are doing the same things. What's the solution? It sure as hell isn't Robin Hood, free health care and college for all, or Bitcoin. More likely than not the "solution" will be a complete collapse and failure of the system, years of chaos and perhaps even anarchy, and eventually we might get back to a better class of government. We're still better of than people were 100 years ago, but I think we've hit the peak in many areas and are in decline, so it's just a question of how far we'll fall before we stop giving away our rights and agency in the hope of more government programs to "protect" us.
They just want a level playing field, not one where rich kids are 7 times more likely to become rich themselves - that's called oligarchy.
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edit: mods, split this thread and move half of it to p&s?
I'm on the side of people trying to work hard and earn money through their efforts, and I'm doing my best to succeed in life. So far, things are going all right. If you want to handicap the 1% to give to the 99%, you're looking at a system doomed to fail. What happens when we take enough from the wealthy that there's no benefit to becoming wealthy? Then who do we tax next to support all the supplicants, beggars, and sycophants? Eventually, the path of taxing the wealthy and giving to the poor leads to failure.
Congrats that things are going for well, and I hope you recognize that there are many things that could have happened that would have kept you from doing well: getting sick and unable to work for a stretch, an ailing parent or child that needs hours of care every day, not having money to buy a car that's necessary to get to work, etc. Statistically speaking, _most_ people have challenges, and it's hard to understand that, for most, it wasn't a choice. A study of bankruptcy filings shows that over half were for health care-related issues, which are almost 100% not their fault in any way. You didn't get leukemia as a childGovernment is basically a huge insurance company that also has an army. Sounds like you're one of those that hasn't needed an insurance policy, whether private, or public. Good for you, and hope that keeps up. But I don't think you should begrudge your fellow humans that have been less fortunate, through no fault of their own, and need medicare or medicaid, which are the biggest US government programs. It's intellectually lazy to think that those that have had problems are "supplicants, beggars, and sycophants".
Also, no one is asking for a system with equal income quintiles and no motivation to work. They just want a level playing field, not one where rich kids are 7 times more likely to become rich themselves - that's called oligarchy.
Word.
I'm on the side of people trying to work hard and earn money through their efforts, and I'm doing my best to succeed in life. So far, things are going all right. If you want to handicap the 1% to give to the 99%, you're looking at a system doomed to fail. What happens when we take enough from the wealthy that there's no benefit to becoming wealthy? Then who do we tax next to support all the supplicants, beggars, and sycophants? Eventually, the path of taxing the wealthy and giving to the poor leads to failure.
Congrats that things are going for well, and I hope you recognize that there are many things that could have happened that would have kept you from doing well: getting sick and unable to work for a stretch, an ailing parent or child that needs hours of care every day, not having money to buy a car that's necessary to get to work, etc. Statistically speaking, _most_ people have challenges, and it's hard to understand that, for most, it wasn't a choice. A study of bankruptcy filings shows that over half were for health care-related issues, which are almost 100% not their fault in any way. You didn't get leukemia as a childGovernment is basically a huge insurance company that also has an army. Sounds like you're one of those that hasn't needed an insurance policy, whether private, or public. Good for you, and hope that keeps up. But I don't think you should begrudge your fellow humans that have been less fortunate, through no fault of their own, and need medicare or medicaid, which are the biggest US government programs. It's intellectually lazy to think that those that have had problems are "supplicants, beggars, and sycophants".
Also, no one is asking for a system with equal income quintiles and no motivation to work. They just want a level playing field, not one where rich kids are 7 times more likely to become rich themselves - that's called oligarchy.
I'm on the side of people trying to work hard and earn money through their efforts, and I'm doing my best to succeed in life. So far, things are going all right. If you want to handicap the 1% to give to the 99%, you're looking at a system doomed to fail. What happens when we take enough from the wealthy that there's no benefit to becoming wealthy? Then who do we tax next to support all the supplicants, beggars, and sycophants? Eventually, the path of taxing the wealthy and giving to the poor leads to failure.
I don't care if taxes are lower now than they were ten years ago; they're still too high. We should be cutting government programs. You want to complain about big business and a rigged system? Government is the biggest business around by a couple orders of magnitude. Our founding fathers would be disgusted, both by our leaders and by their supporters. America became great by allowing people to succeed and realize the American Dream. Today, we now have millions of people feeling entitled to the American Dream, and the only way they can see to get there is to tax those who have already accomplished this.
The game isn't "rigged", unless you mean wealthy people got there by looking at the system and using it to their advantage. And you know what? The system is still supporting them, because our leaders ARE the wealthy. You can raise taxes on paper all you want, but that won't actually take more money from the wealthy if they can just use loopholes or shift their money to another country.
I don't care if taxes are lower now than they were ten years ago; they're still too high. We should be cutting government programs. You want to complain about big business and a rigged system? Government is the biggest business around by a couple orders of magnitude. Our founding fathers would be disgusted, both by our leaders and by their supporters. America became great by allowing people to succeed and realize the American Dream. Today, we now have millions of people feeling entitled to the American Dream, and the only way they can see to get there is to tax those who have already accomplished this.
The game isn't "rigged", unless you mean wealthy people got there by looking at the system and using it to their advantage. And you know what? The system is still supporting them, because our leaders ARE the wealthy. You can raise taxes on paper all you want, but that won't actually take more money from the wealthy if they can just use loopholes or shift their money to another country.
No. Any person that says phrases like "redistribute the wealth" deserves all the disrespect he gets. If you disagree, then why don't you give everyone on here your bitcoins? Or find some homeless person who has none to give them to. Occupy Wall Street tends to be just as bad with their hands held out. Why don't we just close all our corporations? That'll teach 'em, because it's not like the big companies can just move their operations to China and India, right? Oh, wait....
TAXES ARE THE LOWEST THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE LAST 30 YEARS FOR ALL UPPER INCOME BRACKETS.NONE OF THESE TAX CUTS ARE "PAID FOR"
If anyone is "redistributing wealth", it's the elite who have been rigging the game for the last 50+ years.
CHECK which side you're really on buddy...
FlipPro... you don't have to go any further. You have already demonstrated you are a partisan Democrat. That's not an insult. It's just who you are.
No. Any person that says phrases like "redistribute the wealth" deserves all the disrespect he gets. If you disagree, then why don't you give everyone on here your bitcoins? Or find some homeless person who has none to give them to. Occupy Wall Street tends to be just as bad with their hands held out. Why don't we just close all our corporations? That'll teach 'em, because it's not like the big companies can just move their operations to China and India, right? Oh, wait....
TAXES ARE THE LOWEST THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE LAST 30 YEARS FOR ALL UPPER INCOME BRACKETS.NONE OF THESE TAX CUTS ARE "PAID FOR"
If anyone is "redistributing wealth", it's the elite who have been rigging the game for the last 50+ years.
CHECK which side you're really on buddy...
I just mine and hoard, waiting to have the last laugh within a year or 2.
Take care of your funny paper debt-based fractional-reserved fiat monies.
I hate it when people degrade our President, he doesn't deserve it. Take care of your funny paper debt-based fractional-reserved fiat monies.
If Bush was in office he probably would have ordered the CIA to shut this "whole dang thing".
Be thankful you have a smart President
.Don't worry... our President is a grown man. He can handle the criticism with dignity just like Bush handled his.
You only feel that Bush earned his criticism and Obama's is undeserved because you are partisan. I thought it kinda ironic that the point of your post was to tell us all how you hated anyone disrespecting Obama. Then only a few sentences later you did the same to Bush. Let's face it. Because of the nature of the position, being POTUS is a difficult job and both men endure more criticism than they deserve and both did/are doing the best they can.
And if you were completely honest you would admit that neither of them are idiots.
And yes the President has been disrespected in COUNTLESS occasions. Like NO OTHER President ever has...
Cantor interrupting Obama repeatedly during high stakes debt meeting.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/14/what-happened-between-cantor-and-obama/
Speaker John Boehner stands up President Obama for high stakes meeting.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2018034/Obama-frustrated-latest-debt-crisis-talks-Ive-left-altar.html
Republicans delay Presidents joint session speech (FIRST TIME THIS EVER HAPPENED IN THE HISTORY OF THE PRESIDENCY)
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/house-speaker-john-boehner-rejects-president-obamas-request-for-joint-session-next-wednesday-suggests-thursday-instead/
The list goes on and on. Trust me you will loose...
Elwar - if you are sure that it will go down - then short it, if you are not - then why do you deride people that think it will go up?
I just mine and hoard, waiting to have the last laugh within a year or 2.
Take care of your funny paper debt-based fractional-reserved fiat monies.
I hate it when people degrade our President, he doesn't deserve it. Take care of your funny paper debt-based fractional-reserved fiat monies.
If Bush was in office he probably would have ordered the CIA to shut this "whole dang thing".
Be thankful you have a smart President
.Don't worry... our President is a grown man. He can handle the criticism with dignity just like Bush handled his.
You only feel that Bush earned his criticism and Obama's is undeserved because you are partisan. I thought it kinda ironic that the point of your post was to tell us all how you hated anyone disrespecting Obama. Then only a few sentences later you did the same to Bush. Let's face it. Because of the nature of the position, being POTUS is a difficult job and both men endure more criticism than they deserve and both did/are doing the best they can.
And if you were completely honest you would admit that neither of them are idiots.
No. Any person that says phrases like "redistribute the wealth" deserves all the disrespect he gets. If you disagree, then why don't you give everyone on here your bitcoins? Or find some homeless person who has none to give them to. Occupy Wall Street tends to be just as bad with their hands held out. Why don't we just close all our corporations? That'll teach 'em, because it's not like the big companies can just move their operations to China and India, right? Oh, wait....
I just mine and hoard, waiting to have the last laugh within a year or 2.
Take care of your funny paper debt-based fractional-reserved fiat monies.
I hate it when people degrade our President, he doesn't deserve it. Take care of your funny paper debt-based fractional-reserved fiat monies.
If Bush was in office he probably would have ordered the CIA to shut this "whole dang thing".
Be thankful you have a smart President
.Don't worry... our President is a grown man. He can handle the criticism with dignity just like Bush handled his.
I just mine and hoard, waiting to have the last laugh within a year or 2.
Take care of your funny paper debt-based fractional-reserved fiat monies.
I hate it when people degrade our President, he doesn't deserve it. Take care of your funny paper debt-based fractional-reserved fiat monies.
If Bush was in office he probably would have ordered the CIA to shut this "whole dang thing".
Be thankful you have a smart President
.Don't worry... our President is a grown man. He can handle the criticism with dignity just like Bush handled his.
I am tired of all the bull posts lately, with the rise to $3.00, everybody on here thought bitcoin was going to the moon.
Nobody here understands basic fundamentals. The market for buyers of bitcoins are so tiny. Most people interested in bitcoins are miners, and miners don't friggn buy, they mine. The few buyers who will now actually pay over $2 bucks now, is so small to not even cover probably 1/10th of the 7000 new bitcoins coming into the market everyday.
Then most of you bulls see the price go to $3.00, but ignore the fact that the only reason it went to $3.00 is that there is a friggn manipulator who is pushing the price up. Then you do not think it is manipulation when there is a huge bidwall that he moves around to control the price at 50,000 bitcoins. The stupidity of the bulls is just overwhelming to think that the price will be hold and be stable when it is being moved by manipulation that is clear as day. This same manipulator has failed many times holding the price above the proper market value for bitcoin.
You guys still need your lesson learned. I will enjoy the bitcoin drop all the way into the cents. Told you guys to sell into this rally and use the manipulator to make some money if he is going to try to hold the price higher then the correct value.
Your little manipuator friend massive bidwall is now 35,000 bitcoins, no more 45,000. Looks like he is losing out trying to raise the price higher. I know most of you guys don't buy bitcoins above $3.00, and don't try and help your manipualtor buddy out. Again, you guys are morons about the bitcoin price, but not morons with your actual fiat dollars.
Nobody here understands basic fundamentals. The market for buyers of bitcoins are so tiny. Most people interested in bitcoins are miners, and miners don't friggn buy, they mine. The few buyers who will now actually pay over $2 bucks now, is so small to not even cover probably 1/10th of the 7000 new bitcoins coming into the market everyday.
Then most of you bulls see the price go to $3.00, but ignore the fact that the only reason it went to $3.00 is that there is a friggn manipulator who is pushing the price up. Then you do not think it is manipulation when there is a huge bidwall that he moves around to control the price at 50,000 bitcoins. The stupidity of the bulls is just overwhelming to think that the price will be hold and be stable when it is being moved by manipulation that is clear as day. This same manipulator has failed many times holding the price above the proper market value for bitcoin.
You guys still need your lesson learned. I will enjoy the bitcoin drop all the way into the cents. Told you guys to sell into this rally and use the manipulator to make some money if he is going to try to hold the price higher then the correct value.
Your little manipuator friend massive bidwall is now 35,000 bitcoins, no more 45,000. Looks like he is losing out trying to raise the price higher. I know most of you guys don't buy bitcoins above $3.00, and don't try and help your manipualtor buddy out. Again, you guys are morons about the bitcoin price, but not morons with your actual fiat dollars.
fail
I just mine and hoard, waiting to have the last laugh within a year or 2.
Take care of your funny paper debt-based fractional-reserved fiat monies.
I hate it when people degrade our President, he doesn't deserve it. Take care of your funny paper debt-based fractional-reserved fiat monies.
If Bush was in office he probably would have ordered the CIA to shut this "whole dang thing".
Be thankful you have a smart President
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I just mine and hoard, waiting to have the last laugh within a year or 2.
Take care of your funny paper debt-based fractional-reserved fiat monies.
Take care of your funny paper debt-based fractional-reserved fiat monies.
I would short but the manipulator is too unpredictible. Bitcoin community is so small and market is so small, that the manipulator can easily push the price to $10 or higher, like he probably did when he pushed it to $30.00. The only thing going against fundamentals is the manipulator, and that I will not bet against. Shit, if the manipulator took all his bidwall money and bought coins with them, that would probably push the price up to $10.00, and probably higher as all the bots start buying the upswing. But it would not hold long term. However, again, not going to bet on the manipulator holding it up there, he seems to have limitless amounts of money.
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