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It may worth mentioning that there is no proof that 4-6 millions bitcoin have been lost. All you have read are only estimations.

The only coins that have been provably lost are as following.

Coins that have been burned by creating OP_RETURN outputs
Coins that were not claimed by miners when finding a block
Coins that were lost due to coinbase transactions having the same hash.

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Quote from: hhatton93 on February 19, 2024, 11:05:15 AM

Yo,

So apparently there's like 4-6 million bitcoin that are lost and gone? Just curious if there was any ideas or plans to update the protocol to replace the lost bitcoins if there was a consensus, if that is even possible.

When people lost bitcoin its bad for them but good for the community as there are less Amount circulating around and the price go upper
E.g if all people want to cashout bitcoin , there will still be Value on them due to high lost amount that cant be sold or cashout for real money
so the Bitcoin Supply is at a current level of 19.63M -4-6 M is around 25% of the amount

I dont think that there will ever be such an update as its impossible to know if one person is Holding those BTC or have lost them !

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Quote from: hhatton93 on February 19, 2024, 11:05:15 AM

So apparently there's like 4-6 million bitcoin that are lost and gone?
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Who says that's true? The methodology used by various "analysts" to determine how much BTC was lost was (and probably still is) saying "this BTC hasn't moved in x years and we assume it's lost". Of course, that doesn't make much sense when we know that from time to time there are transactions with coins that haven't moved in more than 10 years.

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Quote from: hhatton93 on February 19, 2024, 11:05:15 AM

Yo,

So apparently there's like 4-6 million bitcoin that are lost and gone? Just curious if there was any ideas or plans to update the protocol to replace the lost bitcoins if there was a consensus, if that is even possible.

Seems like this topic was already discussed a couple of days ago, and it was in the same format as well. Anyway for the answer I would say it's a + point that lost ones are lost forever. It will directly help in price appreciation with the demand and supply principle. Maybe in the future somehow if needed the lost coins can be taken care of but I'm sure the community will refuse any such proposal and I'm with this that there's no need of recovering the coins.

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As OmegaStarScream quoted, if the number of Bitcoin you mentioned are actually lost, they are out of the ecosystem. No longer will be sold on any exchange or be traded with real money.
Making the Circulating Supply of Bitcoin from 19.63M to 14M. If there was a way to burn those, then it will surely create a big supply shock as it's almost 25% of Total Supply.

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If someone has lost bitcoins they cannot prove beyond reasonable doubt that they own the address the bitcoins are in. The ultimate proof of ownership is the private keys of a wallet, and if you can't access a wallet you don't know the private keys, meaning there is no foolproof way to return lost coins to the last original owner.

Simply adding new coins into circulation to replace supposed lost coins is a terrible idea as it causes a supply shock and removes the confidence people have in Bitcoin to follow the already existing protocol.
Question would be what next would warrant thousands or millions of coins to be brought out if thin air?

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Lost coins in theory are like a donation to the other bitcoin holders, but since nobody knows what coins are lost I think there is not rally a impact at this moment. The only coins that are really lost are OP_Return coins that were burned.
People for example always claim that around 1 million satoshi coins are lost. However you can never be sure of those coins would at one point move again and suddenly be sold. So I think because of this risk those "lost" coins are not really a push for the price.

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Quote from: hhatton93 on February 19, 2024, 11:05:15 AM

So apparently there's like 4-6 million bitcoin that are lost and gone? Just curious if there was any ideas or plans to update the protocol to replace the lost bitcoins if there was a consensus, if that is even possible.

So that thieves (who are not the actual owners of the coins) should be claiming lost coins?

They should prove with their private keys that they are the owners.

You can not know the exact number of bitcoin that are lost because you can not say all coins that are not moved to another address are lost. Or which methodology did you use to arrive at 4 to 6 million BTC to have been lost?

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Quote from: hhatton93 on February 19, 2024, 11:05:15 AM

So apparently there's like 4-6 million bitcoin that are lost and gone? Just curious if there was any ideas or plans to update the protocol to replace the lost bitcoins if there was a consensus, if that is even possible.

You called them lost coin, then why returning them?

If these Bitcoins should be returned, then it is not a decentralized system again.
Who is returning the coins?

The main problem here is that people that people that lost the coin had already lost it forever, if they are sending Bitcoin back, which wallets are they sending to, is the sending address or the receiving address?

The idea of not returning lost Bitcoins is good and has save a lot.
And mind you, any one that claim to recover lost Bitcoins to you is a scammer.

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Quote from: hhatton93 on February 19, 2024, 11:05:15 AM

So apparently there's like 4-6 million bitcoin that are lost and gone? Just curious if there was any ideas or plans to update the protocol to replace the lost bitcoins if there was a consensus, if that is even possible.

If there is a consensus to replace lost bitcoins, we will no longer have 21M bitcoins but will possibly be 25M bitcoins and more and more and more.

It will be like central banks print more fiat currencies to create inflation and cause decrease of purchasing power. Do you want to see Bitcoin has decreasing purchasing power?

I believe you won't want it.

What about the lost BTC?. Another topic on this created 7 days ago.

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Quote from: hhatton93 on February 19, 2024, 11:05:15 AM

Yo,

So apparently there's like 4-6 million bitcoin that are lost and gone? Just curious if there was any ideas or plans to update the protocol to replace the lost bitcoins if there was a consensus, if that is even possible.

There is no protocol as that. Once Bitcoin is lost, it is gone forever. It cannot be recovered or reintroduced into the market's circulating supply. Any efforts to replace lost Bitcoin through a protocol or update is impossible, besides it would compromise the fundamental nature of the currency.

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No there is nothing that will actually be done as of now to get those lost coins. As satoshi said earlier

Quote from: satoshi on June 21, 2010, 12:48:26 PM

Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone.

So basically there is no plan to review anything on that. But come to think of it what does lost coins mean to you and how do you get those numbers because they vary and reason been that not all assumed coins said to be lost are actually lost except maybe locked coins that can never be spend (op-Return outputs)
. If not some of these coins are just coins left off and not yet moved or lost private key which can still be spent when seeing so they don’t count as lost coins

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Quote from: satoshi on June 21, 2010, 12:48:26 PM

Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone.

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Yo,

So apparently there's like 4-6 million bitcoin that are lost and gone? Just curious if there was any ideas or plans to update the protocol to replace the lost bitcoins if there was a consensus, if that is even possible.

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