If the payment starts, i will be happy and wont care about anything. However, that does not change a fact that currently everything looks like a scam, smells like a scam and talks like a scam, it must be a scam!
Its like if Jesus came back - i would be - well fuck! But would i look stupid for not believing? No...
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February 14, 2015, 03:38:35 AM
February 14, 2015, 02:36:48 AM
if he started to pay again, then it is mind blown to the non believer but anyway from what i read about the Q&A it is merely a stalling tactics once again
he write that balance will be cleared by wave max is next week, means that there should be few accounts that should have their coins there before next week i guess, so we will just see
he write that balance will be cleared by wave max is next week, means that there should be few accounts that should have their coins there before next week i guess, so we will just see
Not a wave. A tsunami that washes away all the coins. He will say it was not his fault but mother nature did it.
I cant wait till next week for another stalling tactics, than all the fanboy will keep on saying, give that man a break he is doing what he could
i will grab some popcorn for next week 
February 14, 2015, 02:16:39 AM
if he started to pay again, then it is mind blown to the non believer but anyway from what i read about the Q&A it is merely a stalling tactics once again
he write that balance will be cleared by wave max is next week, means that there should be few accounts that should have their coins there before next week i guess, so we will just see
he write that balance will be cleared by wave max is next week, means that there should be few accounts that should have their coins there before next week i guess, so we will just see
Not a wave. A tsunami that washes away all the coins. He will say it was not his fault but mother nature did it.
February 14, 2015, 01:48:39 AM
Lol, looks like I have to ignore you on two sites now Jayke.
Why? He said truth! Thats what I fought, just refused to write as had a lot of anger! It sickenss me to see people bending over and thanking him for telling absolutelly nothing and evading questions. Ignore person for legitimate, constructed, evidence based and logical reasoning, ignore person for putting 2 and 2 and getting 4?
What is wrong with you?
We both have our opinions both those who have lost faith and those that keep faith, the unfortunate fact is those who have lost faith have a lot more evidence to base their arguments on, those who keep faith just throw idle insults/retarded responses to clearly specific examination based upon the apparent facts. Another reason like briefly stated above people who have a lot to loose are finding it hard to stop believing, and those swaying peoples opinions (like myself) are automatically seen as a troll/bullshiter/timer waster, its a natural defense if you don't want to believe something simply shut away everything that changes your perspective which is what he is doing.
This is not a case of our side (unbelievers) vs their side (believers) this is about staying united and offering each other support as gay as it sounds.. One thing I do know is one of the sides are going to be abruptly shocked in the following;
Believers - If they are proven wrong, and by this I mean its facts that Cristian has scammed us we technically 'win' this overly stretched out bitch fight yet we all loose because we have no money.
No believers - If Cristian pays out we are going to be stormed down without hours, labeled as trolls, insulted, 'HAHAHA you so wrong, you so wrong'. Although we get paid we look like idiots even though we are supporting a side with a lot more evidence to support it.
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Its like covering your ears and going "lalalalalalalalalalalala, its not a scam, lalalalalalalalalalalala, Chriss works in his mistyrious ways, all praise Chris! lalalalalala"
Exactly.
if he started to pay again, then it is mind blown to the non believer but anyway from what i read about the Q&A it is merely a stalling tactics once again
he write that balance will be cleared by wave max is next week, means that there should be few accounts that should have their coins there before next week i guess, so we will just see
February 13, 2015, 09:03:06 PM
I can say that regardless of the outcome, this situation is entertaining. I just wish I wasn't owed over 1600 LTC, that would make it much more entertaining.
LOL
+1 entertaining but pretty expensiveLOL
+1 its pretty steep but as a usd vs entertaining post ratio not that bad
February 13, 2015, 07:23:02 PM
I can say that regardless of the outcome, this situation is entertaining. I just wish I wasn't owed over 1600 LTC, that would make it much more entertaining.
LOL
+1 entertaining but pretty expensive LOL
February 13, 2015, 05:21:37 PM
I wasn't going to post here but seen as I am restricted from posting on litecointalk I have no choice.
Firstly to all those literally kissing beekeeper/Cristian you need a reality check. He has had 8 weeks to show any sign of progression, just because he has made minimal website changes does NOT mean things have progressed. I saw too many people licking his nuts for coming onto a forum and posting irrelevant questions/answers. I understand he may be a busy individual and his time is appreciated however what makes him king of the castle for doing this? His word on the website is the exact same on litecointalk, why is everybody all of a sudden heart set on his trust when all he has done is abuse his power, failure to deliver on his word, constantly break ETA's and cruely drag this on day by day, what I mean by this is the constant 24 hour delays.
He openly skipped/admitted certain questions which I find alarming. I personally feel he did this so his word could not be used against him, I mean after all the more he says/makes up the greater chance he has of tripping over himself. One thing I picked up on was this;
He never confirmed any delay in the actual active balances, he said certain people would have access which to me translate as if it happens in stages, one group of people, then the next and so on.. I am sure more than 80% (Figure pulled from my ass) of LTCGear customers are active or have been monitoring the forum posts either here or on litecointalk, I am almost positive at least one person out of thousands would of openly admitted to of been paid unless instructed otherwise by beekeeper/Cristian, I mean why instruct such a thing? Either way that's if the unlikely fact that people have actually been paid out, my bets are he lied about anybody having an active balance discrediting himself once again.
This brings me onto another point, payments in general. His Q+A was supposed to answer questions, why in his OP did he mention absolutely nothing about our missing payments, its like he forgot? This angered me and I am sure it did a lot of other people, I cannot believe the pure cheek in completely neglecting the fact. I did see he summoned the moderators of litecointalk to 'moderate' the thread, my account was restricted from posting for submitting a heated reply to him answering one of my questions.. Now it was not insulting nor disrespectful, I was just saying things how they are.. I mean beekeeper/Cristian genuinely thinks we are all happy, we should of been stern but fair not thanking him at every given possibility for him visiting the forum to answer the questions we should not even have. As a business point, he should of been prepared for the workload not to sound ungrateful, he has done us no favors by conducting this Q+A so stop praising him, hes in the wrong.. If we were more stern, we would of gotten more constructive answers, now I dont mean be rude/name call/insult but act in the way we should ~ Pissed off with a degree of respect.
I don't understand why this was even discussed, without receiving payments the above information is irrelevant, anybody who pays him prior to being paid is either mentally unstable or plain stupid (no offence). It always seems to be what we owe him, what we need to do instead of what he has promised but continuously failed to do.
At the point of time, we had received little to no updates on the website nor the forums (Just to add, why is he using his forum to communicate, once again dragging in people/admins/moderators/litecointalk into the mix, once again) therefore people assumed beekeeper had ran. Am I just the only one who finds this rich and cheeky as fuck he brings up 'illegal aspect of these actions' after his track record, lack of communication and failure to pay his customers.
So your saying we are on the last wave of cleaning, it just so happens that every single user on LTCGear is the 'last wave' seen as nobody has an active balance, makes no sense at all.
Finally some good news, or is it bad? No more sales meaning no more income, if it was a ponzi all along its well and truly burnt out. If its not a ponzi its safe to say there will be no more over-sales, so there is a chance he actually does own mining equipment, and has stopped increasing the size of his farm so he can maintain/relocate efficiently.
The delay created is unfortunately your fault, you failed to secure your own website. In the world of business, its your responsibility just like its the banks to keep our money safe. Once again we only have his word the site was hacked, the more he abuses his word the less credible it is, which is why a lot of people are calling bullshit on his operations.
Withdrawals will take one day max to hit our wallets, I highly doubt this personally but lets wait and see.
So lets just split this up a little, balances are being 'cleaned' so those with duplicated shares will have there's removed. From my understanding the discretion on the removal of shares is on beekeepers word, whats to say he doesn't pick out 10 random accounts and say goodbye Vienna to their balances. Just a very right wing speculation, say he posses $1m dollars of course owing this all to the customers. Whats to stop him from making up somebody's shares are fake in return only paying say $500k of that.. People do get paid but not everybody, it will be very hard to prove him wrong, you may even fall victim to believing your shares were fake all because he said so.. He gets away Scott free with his trusted status reimbursed. Its going to be literally a lucky pick.
TL;DR - Please ask yourself this question, are we in the exact same position as we were 8 weeks ago? Yes we are, still being told to 'wait a week', a 'week' turns into a 'month' and so on. I want you all to take this into account, just because your ltcgear.com account shows a balance does NOT mean we have progressed, we put on them smiles when it hits our wallet, after all a statistic on his website means absolutely nothing. I beg you to not return to your zombie like droning, waiting for updates daily but to carry on your efforts, we are no where near to the end just yet, just another delay.
Given the benefit of the doubt once again, I guess 1 week from when this all cracked off, it was technically on Friday so Friday 20th February 2015 balances should begin to appear active on our accounts, moving forward onto Saturday 21st February 2015 we should start to see balances withdrawing into wallets.
If we see nothing then what, are people going to stop spreading false hope.. People who are constantly labeling us 'non-believers' as trolls going to wake up and be open to our opinions, because from my point of view its either LTCGear gang or dont bang.
Firstly to all those literally kissing beekeeper/Cristian you need a reality check. He has had 8 weeks to show any sign of progression, just because he has made minimal website changes does NOT mean things have progressed. I saw too many people licking his nuts for coming onto a forum and posting irrelevant questions/answers. I understand he may be a busy individual and his time is appreciated however what makes him king of the castle for doing this? His word on the website is the exact same on litecointalk, why is everybody all of a sudden heart set on his trust when all he has done is abuse his power, failure to deliver on his word, constantly break ETA's and cruely drag this on day by day, what I mean by this is the constant 24 hour delays.
He openly skipped/admitted certain questions which I find alarming. I personally feel he did this so his word could not be used against him, I mean after all the more he says/makes up the greater chance he has of tripping over himself. One thing I picked up on was this;
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He said two weeks ago that balances were active for a percentage of users.
- 0 users have come forth and admitted to an active balance.
- 0 users have come forth and admitted to being paid out.
He said today that balances would be rolled out over **maybe** the next week
What happened to the percentage of users who had already been given active balances?
- 0 users have come forth and admitted to an active balance.
- 0 users have come forth and admitted to being paid out.
He said today that balances would be rolled out over **maybe** the next week
What happened to the percentage of users who had already been given active balances?
He never confirmed any delay in the actual active balances, he said certain people would have access which to me translate as if it happens in stages, one group of people, then the next and so on.. I am sure more than 80% (Figure pulled from my ass) of LTCGear customers are active or have been monitoring the forum posts either here or on litecointalk, I am almost positive at least one person out of thousands would of openly admitted to of been paid unless instructed otherwise by beekeeper/Cristian, I mean why instruct such a thing? Either way that's if the unlikely fact that people have actually been paid out, my bets are he lied about anybody having an active balance discrediting himself once again.
This brings me onto another point, payments in general. His Q+A was supposed to answer questions, why in his OP did he mention absolutely nothing about our missing payments, its like he forgot? This angered me and I am sure it did a lot of other people, I cannot believe the pure cheek in completely neglecting the fact. I did see he summoned the moderators of litecointalk to 'moderate' the thread, my account was restricted from posting for submitting a heated reply to him answering one of my questions.. Now it was not insulting nor disrespectful, I was just saying things how they are.. I mean beekeeper/Cristian genuinely thinks we are all happy, we should of been stern but fair not thanking him at every given possibility for him visiting the forum to answer the questions we should not even have. As a business point, he should of been prepared for the workload not to sound ungrateful, he has done us no favors by conducting this Q+A so stop praising him, hes in the wrong.. If we were more stern, we would of gotten more constructive answers, now I dont mean be rude/name call/insult but act in the way we should ~ Pissed off with a degree of respect.
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1. The maintenance operation:
The maintenance is part of mining operation - its required to replace obsolete or defective hardware and perform other auxiliary chores. Small maintenance actions are performed constantly.
A more complex maintenance operation is planned once per year, at the end of one year of operation cycle.
During yearly maintenance operation, usually all hardware is powered off. The yearly operation may require relocation and will at least include verifying / replacing power circuits.
The maintenance is part of mining operation - its required to replace obsolete or defective hardware and perform other auxiliary chores. Small maintenance actions are performed constantly.
A more complex maintenance operation is planned once per year, at the end of one year of operation cycle.
During yearly maintenance operation, usually all hardware is powered off. The yearly operation may require relocation and will at least include verifying / replacing power circuits.
I don't understand why this was even discussed, without receiving payments the above information is irrelevant, anybody who pays him prior to being paid is either mentally unstable or plain stupid (no offence). It always seems to be what we owe him, what we need to do instead of what he has promised but continuously failed to do.
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2. And a small request to community:
There are a sum of users which perform unrequested and unauthorized penetration tests and other similar actions on website - please stop offering assistance in this way.
Letting aside the illegal aspect of these actions, they generate extra costs and denial of service for the rest of users. It's difficult to discriminate between enthusiast users and real perpetrators.
There are a sum of users which perform unrequested and unauthorized penetration tests and other similar actions on website - please stop offering assistance in this way.
Letting aside the illegal aspect of these actions, they generate extra costs and denial of service for the rest of users. It's difficult to discriminate between enthusiast users and real perpetrators.
At the point of time, we had received little to no updates on the website nor the forums (Just to add, why is he using his forum to communicate, once again dragging in people/admins/moderators/litecointalk into the mix, once again) therefore people assumed beekeeper had ran. Am I just the only one who finds this rich and cheeky as fuck he brings up 'illegal aspect of these actions' after his track record, lack of communication and failure to pay his customers.
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Pending means that remote database declined information on that balance. After last wave of cleaning, all balances should be visible but maybe locked for individual processing. Persisting 'pending' message after that point will probably mean an error occurred.
So your saying we are on the last wave of cleaning, it just so happens that every single user on LTCGear is the 'last wave' seen as nobody has an active balance, makes no sense at all.
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No plan for sales at this point.
Finally some good news, or is it bad? No more sales meaning no more income, if it was a ponzi all along its well and truly burnt out. If its not a ponzi its safe to say there will be no more over-sales, so there is a chance he actually does own mining equipment, and has stopped increasing the size of his farm so he can maintain/relocate efficiently.
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I did not create the delay and it cannot be removed by wish alone. You have my blessing to go after original attackers and ask them why did they do it in the first place. I did supply community with enough details.
The delay created is unfortunately your fault, you failed to secure your own website. In the world of business, its your responsibility just like its the banks to keep our money safe. Once again we only have his word the site was hacked, the more he abuses his word the less credible it is, which is why a lot of people are calling bullshit on his operations.
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One day at max, but general hours.
Withdrawals will take one day max to hit our wallets, I highly doubt this personally but lets wait and see.
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Everyone has a balance. Non-pending balances are balances cleared. Pending balances are balances not yet fully cleared. Once balance is cleaned, maintenance few and other relevant information are displayed.
All balances will probably get cleaned in next days (around a week frame) - along with moving to yearly maintenance as described in opening post.
What would be left will have to be individually cleared by exchanging information with balance owner.
All balances will probably get cleaned in next days (around a week frame) - along with moving to yearly maintenance as described in opening post.
What would be left will have to be individually cleared by exchanging information with balance owner.
So lets just split this up a little, balances are being 'cleaned' so those with duplicated shares will have there's removed. From my understanding the discretion on the removal of shares is on beekeepers word, whats to say he doesn't pick out 10 random accounts and say goodbye Vienna to their balances. Just a very right wing speculation, say he posses $1m dollars of course owing this all to the customers. Whats to stop him from making up somebody's shares are fake in return only paying say $500k of that.. People do get paid but not everybody, it will be very hard to prove him wrong, you may even fall victim to believing your shares were fake all because he said so.. He gets away Scott free with his trusted status reimbursed. Its going to be literally a lucky pick.
TL;DR - Please ask yourself this question, are we in the exact same position as we were 8 weeks ago? Yes we are, still being told to 'wait a week', a 'week' turns into a 'month' and so on. I want you all to take this into account, just because your ltcgear.com account shows a balance does NOT mean we have progressed, we put on them smiles when it hits our wallet, after all a statistic on his website means absolutely nothing. I beg you to not return to your zombie like droning, waiting for updates daily but to carry on your efforts, we are no where near to the end just yet, just another delay.
Given the benefit of the doubt once again, I guess 1 week from when this all cracked off, it was technically on Friday so Friday 20th February 2015 balances should begin to appear active on our accounts, moving forward onto Saturday 21st February 2015 we should start to see balances withdrawing into wallets.
If we see nothing then what, are people going to stop spreading false hope.. People who are constantly labeling us 'non-believers' as trolls going to wake up and be open to our opinions, because from my point of view its either LTCGear gang or dont bang.
February 13, 2015, 06:48:28 PM
I can say that regardless of the outcome, this situation is entertaining. I just wish I wasn't owed over 1600 LTC, that would make it much more entertaining.
LOL
I'm awaiting next week's fun!
LOL
I'm awaiting next week's fun!
February 13, 2015, 06:07:53 PM
Lol, looks like I have to ignore you on two sites now Jayke.
Why? He said truth! Thats what I fought, just refused to write as had a lot of anger! It sickenss me to see people bending over and thanking him for telling absolutelly nothing and evading questions. Ignore person for legitimate, constructed, evidence based and logical reasoning, ignore person for putting 2 and 2 and getting 4?
What is wrong with you?
We both have our opinions both those who have lost faith and those that keep faith, the unfortunate fact is those who have lost faith have a lot more evidence to base their arguments on, those who keep faith just throw idle insults/retarded responses to clearly specific examination based upon the apparent facts. Another reason like briefly stated above people who have a lot to loose are finding it hard to stop believing, and those swaying peoples opinions (like myself) are automatically seen as a troll/bullshiter/timer waster, its a natural defense if you don't want to believe something simply shut away everything that changes your perspective which is what he is doing.
This is not a case of our side (unbelievers) vs their side (believers) this is about staying united and offering each other support as gay as it sounds.. One thing I do know is one of the sides are going to be abruptly shocked in the following;
Believers - If they are proven wrong, and by this I mean its facts that Cristian has scammed us we technically 'win' this overly stretched out bitch fight yet we all loose because we have no money.
No believers - If Cristian pays out we are going to be stormed down without hours, labeled as trolls, insulted, 'HAHAHA you so wrong, you so wrong'. Although we get paid we look like idiots even though we are supporting a side with a lot more evidence to support it.
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Its like covering your ears and going "lalalalalalalalalalalala, its not a scam, lalalalalalalalalalalala, Chriss works in his mistyrious ways, all praise Chris! lalalalalala"
Exactly.
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February 13, 2015, 05:59:37 PM
Lol, looks like I have to ignore you on two sites now Jayke.
Why? He said truth! Thats what I fought, just refused to write as had a lot of anger! It sickenss me to see people bending over and thanking him for telling absolutelly nothing and evading questions. Ignore person for legitimate, constructed, evidence based and logical reasoning, ignore person for putting 2 and 2 and getting 4?
What is wrong with you?
Its like covering your ears and going "lalalalalalalalalalalala, its not a scam, lalalalalalalalalalalala, Chriss works in his mistyrious ways, all praise Chris! lalalalalala"
February 13, 2015, 05:30:09 PM
Lol, looks like I have to ignore you on two sites now Jayke.
Ladies and gentlemen, I welcome you to the typical fan-boy response...
Dont worry, I am sure your a lot more invested than me.. I understand it may be a lot harder for you to face facts, and yes they are pretty well education presumptions based upon beekeepers actions. You keep burying your head in the sand because it doesn't matter, the more you try and tell yourself, the more you try to believe in the fact you want LTCGear to come through will not actually alter its outcome. It's funny because most people I have met, have the uneducated response of either 'your a troll' or some personal insult.
I would love to hear what your basing your assumptions on, I am fully open for a mature debate. Then again you can just ignore me, because your worthless excuse of a post clearly holds not place in this thread, or in any. Go back onto litecointalk where you can be surrounded by fairytales, if that's what makes you sleep better at night.
February 13, 2015, 05:26:40 PM
Lol, looks like I have to ignore you on two sites now Jayke.
February 13, 2015, 12:47:59 PM
So.. nothing's changed but the beelievers will be happy for another couple of weeks. Good job Chris.
Well this is his last swing if he staling again. Nobody ll ever believe his story if he fails to deliver again. So 1 week s ticking, in this period he needs to enable payment for at least few hundred people. If not, I think we re done with calculations and all we ll be left with are legal action threads.
February 13, 2015, 10:36:42 AM
932 LTC thanks now i'm depressed xD
With the current LTC price, it's not that much money
and thats not counting 2 gen units =/
....
February 13, 2015, 09:39:49 AM
Thanks for the tool. Now I can see all the coins that A-Hole Chris isn't going to pay me.
February 13, 2015, 08:59:12 AM
932 LTC thanks now i'm depressed xD
With the current LTC price, it's not that much money
February 13, 2015, 08:35:27 AM
932 LTC thanks now i'm depressed xD
February 13, 2015, 07:51:12 AM
February 13, 2015, 07:19:01 AM
So.. nothing's changed but the beelievers will be happy for another couple of weeks. Good job Chris.
indeed, all i see was nothing changed and the fact that he is avoiding question like will we get all the coins that he owed, so well some people are happy, another week and his fanboy will finally realize?or perhaps give him more weeks to fool around
+1
February 13, 2015, 07:15:17 AM
So.. nothing's changed but the beelievers will be happy for another couple of weeks. Good job Chris.
indeed, all i see was nothing changed and the fact that he is avoiding question like will we get all the coins that he owed, so well some people are happy, another week and his fanboy will finally realize?or perhaps give him more weeks to fool around
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