Topic: Lunaland [scammed] huntters payment 1,500,000 LLN ($79,402.50 current price) - page 2. (Read 542 times)

Two scam project again abusing this forum by hiring and not paying. First was Shrew campaign and the next week this Lunaland came out of nowhere. All with the same credentials being from UK and same style of promotions. Dusko by the way worked with Shrew Advisory Board first then came up starting his own. No question why these two act the same.

I personally trust Royse777 very much. I have participated in almost all of Royse777's campaigns. But it is very sad that some of his campaigns have problems with payment. For example, LunaLand scam, DogePorn did not pay, Hunters thousands of complaints about CoinChum's payment. So I think bounty tokens should be escrowed like Neoxcard campaign. Otherwise your reputation will be ruined gradually. Bounty hunters don't want scam accusation, they don't want any report, they just want payment for their time and labor. LunaLand has run two bounties at the same time.
1. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ended-lunaland-fly-me-to-the-moon-150000-pool-4-weeks-duration-5346492  - managed by TheAndy500
2. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lunaland-fly-me-to-the-moon-bounty-15000-in-lln-5348797  - managed by Royse777.

So the amount of total scam will be more.

It's completely legit question. Yes they can of course, but think from their side from the side of a genuine team. For them, the token worth a lot. They have no idea how the community operates. Who are trusted members. Anyone with forum experience knows who to trust, but for a newbie it's totally a different place.

Remember the topic about Small Rabbit? I had some explanation there:

Lately, I am in fact putting pressure to teams to send tokens in my possessions. Most of the time, it just does not work the way you want, by the way.

I may talk to other campaign managers that we need to have a common practice, which is to ask project teams to send the tokens to us before starting a campaign. A manager must ensure that the tokens are in his possession or someone highly trusted on the forum is holding the tokens. Here, another concern will be what if the team do not pay the escrow the fees to distribute the tokens? In this case, my suggestion will be:
1. If the token price worth good money then the escrow will sell some tokens to cover the fees and rest will be distributed to the hunters
2. If the token price do not worth anything, then the tokens are just burned I guess.

Man, that's a sad story.

I have a question (forgive me, I have no experience in bounty management). Can't those guys first get the tokens into a trusted escrow before the bounty campaign begins, since they mint them from a thin air anyway?

That way there will be no stupid bending of rules by the scammers like they did.

Tagging and supporting the flag.

Please support flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2820

Bounty payment sheet (Payment Sheet ALL): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZK7T7rU6z0yuKSZeWyIi_Znle8Dpze0ocLiS7WIY9Mg/edit?usp=sharing
Bounty thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lunaland-fly-me-to-the-moon-bounty-15000-in-lln-5348797

Scammed amount: 1420111.11111152 LLN ($75,173.58) to be exact according to the bounty sheet.
The above amount on the OP was total allocation for the bounty.

I have exported the chat history. If anyone wants to see the exported data of the entire chat history, then PM me or request me here for it. Only highly trusted members who have years of reputation on the forum can have the copy if they want. For privacy and other reasons, I am not going to open it up in public.


The last response to me from Lunaland team:

Latest chat screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/A8rFpg5

tl;dr;
From 4th August since I have given them the final sheet they were making accusations after accusations. Until today, I was considering them somehow valid, but after the last message it's clear that all of it were excuses. They were doing it to find a way, to convince me that the hunters are in fault here, and they do not want to pay the hunters.

Their first accusation: The bounty campaign did not make them money, so they will reduce the allocation. In their word,

After my disagreement, I suggested them to review the works and let the good hunters to pay. They agreed.

Their 2nd accusation: The hunters will dump their token/project. I said to them that the hunters need to get paid, and I explained why they need to get paid. Lunaland team agreed that they will review the work and let me know on the next day (August 10th).

August 13th I asked for update, they wanted more time.
August 14th I asked for update, they wanted more time. The excuse was that they are too busy with the project, and that made sense to me. We had some price movement chat about their project, and they wanted time until the end of the week.
August 17th, we had some other chat and promised me that they will work out final allocation after checking the sheet.
August 22nd, after asking them about the progress they asked me a lot of question about how to check the reports and our conversation ended with giving them instructions.
We continued conversation ... I was putting pressure
August 27th pressure increases and they were due to done reviewing by that day. In the meantime, with many more accusations

Their 3rd accusation: On their last AMA the hunters accused their project of being a scam…

From 28th morning (today) I was chasing them until I got the reply that I quoted at the starting of the topic.

And finally, when I am working on creating this topic they have more to say:

It's pointless to reply there.

ANN: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-lunaland-a-digital-currency-harnessing-the-power-of-the-blockchain-5346079
User: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lunaland-3347616
Project: https://www.lunaland.io/
Socials:
https://www.facebook.com/LunaLand-104535581879219/
https://twitter.com/IoLunaland
https://t.me/lunalanddotio
https://www.instagram.com/lunaland.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Lunaland/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPfFZksXwohPMzE7OyZiKRg
https://discord.gg/HakqTNyTdU

Scammed amount: 1,500,000 LLN
In current market price $0.052935*1,500,000= $79,402.50
Screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/tzbABCq
Live price chart: https://www.livecoinwatch.com/price/LunaLand-LLN

The project team is clearly a scammers, the same goes with the project.

I am going to tag their account and going to update here with the flag.