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Topic: [BUG] Satoshi Nakamoto moving his coins at this moment !!! - page 2. (Read 3938 times)

staff
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Just writing some code
How did this bug happen? I haven't seen any details by bc.i.

Somehow bc.i showed a fake tx. How? Whats the tx hex? Wat this signed properly? etc etc.. May questions.
I think they were sybil attacked. My idea of how they were attacked is as follow:

Somehow bc.i was disconnected from all of the nodes they had previously been connected to. Then an attacker proceeded to perform a sybil attack by attempting to make sure that bc.i's node was connected only to the attacking nodes. The attacker then created an orphan chain starting at block 1 and fed that to blockchain.info. Then they included several transactions which spent the early coins and made it seem as if Satoshi had moved his Bitcoin. Since many people use bc.i, they were tricked into thinking that Satoshi had moved his coins.

What I posted above is absolutely what happened, but is what I think is most likely to have happened.
legendary
Activity: 4424
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How did this bug happen? I haven't seen any details by bc.i.

Somehow bc.i showed a fake tx. How? Whats the tx hex? Wat this signed properly? etc etc.. May questions.

there is no bug in bitcoin.. there was however a bug in the website known as blockchain.info where it displayed data wrong.. this is more evidence that people should stop trusting centralised services.. because even if they have good morals and ethics, they can still mess up
legendary
Activity: 1001
Merit: 1005
satoshi only has 50 BTC?  Huh
I thought he has 1 million of them.
He has a lot, estimated to be a little more than 1 million. However, his Bitcoin is spread over several hundreds, maybe thousands, of addresses when he was mining Bitcoin in the early days.

nope.. its far less than 1million.. in the first few days he was throwing away addresses purely for debugging. so lots are just lost. then people like hal finney joined him in mining along with another 6 in those very early days.. by the end of 2009 there were more than a dozen people mining..

so not that much stayed in satoshi's hands



How did this bug happen? I haven't seen any details by bc.i.

Somehow bc.i showed a fake tx. How? Whats the tx hex? Wat this signed properly? etc etc.. May questions.
legendary
Activity: 4424
Merit: 4794
satoshi only has 50 BTC?  Huh
I thought he has 1 million of them.
He has a lot, estimated to be a little more than 1 million. However, his Bitcoin is spread over several hundreds, maybe thousands, of addresses when he was mining Bitcoin in the early days.

nope.. its far less than 1million.. in the first few days he was throwing away addresses purely for debugging. so lots are just lost. then people like hal finney joined him in mining along with another 6 in those very early days.. by the end of 2009 there were more than a dozen people mining..

so not that much stayed in satoshi's hands

legendary
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Merit: 8950
'The right to privacy matters'
About time he gets around to spending them. The sooner those mystery coins are in circulation the sooner they can get priced in the market and Bitcoin can take off. There is probably a lot of fear that if the market got too high in the future, say in the $10,000 per BTC range those millions would suddenly be shaken loose and the market dump.


Very good point  they hang over the heads of all of us like the sword of Damocles .
legendary
Activity: 1078
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About time he gets around to spending them. The sooner those mystery coins are in circulation the sooner they can get priced in the market and Bitcoin can take off. There is probably a lot of fear that if the market got too high in the future, say in the $10,000 per BTC range those millions would suddenly be shaken loose and the market dump.
staff
Activity: 3458
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Just writing some code
satoshi only has 50 BTC?  Huh
I thought he has 1 million of them.
He has a lot, estimated to be a little more than 1 million. However, his Bitcoin is spread over several hundreds, maybe thousands, of addresses when he was mining Bitcoin in the early days.
legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1000
"Funds attributed to Satoshi Nakamoto have not moved. They are unconfirmed by the Bitcoin network and likely spoofed. More details to follow."

Source: https://twitter.com/blockchain/status/628615828997586945
member
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satoshi only has 50 BTC?  Huh
I thought he has 1 million of them.
hero member
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It seems blockchain is releasing statement later today. Meanwhile they're only connected to 22 nodes. Maybe they're systems crashed and somehow some nodes were relaying fake info and they got those? Or maybe they were "trapped" connecting to nodes relaying fake information? Is this possible?
Yes it's possible to take fake info. But it's not possible pool them because you need "digital signature"...
legendary
Activity: 3542
Merit: 1352
This is exactly why we need Monero and private blockchains.  This is a ridiculous issue to have.

If the coins really moved and it was unknown they did, the market wouldn't have the chance to move down so everyone could buy more coins... Cheesy Downsides in everything, I guess Smiley


Still waiting for that statement from blockchain, genuinely curious about what happened.

Yeah the problem seems to be persisting and targeting the assumed addresses of Satoshi, which might cause some excitement and whatnot over the folks that are too eager to know who he/she is. I thought it's a pushtx API problem?

There seems to be a problem with blockchain.info's (pushtx) API...

https://twitter.com/maraoz/status/628628997211996160

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Manuel Aráoz ‏@maraoz  2h
Just managed to "spend" block reward from block 1000 https://blockchain.info/tx/2e6832a424b1984005deb0a9b7a32a557828677c4078d16986870171dde813ec … - confirming it's a problem with bc.i pushtx API

So it seems, but that's not an official blockchain source...

Yep, until now no official reports from blockchain.info. Makes me wonder what is really happening with their service and block explorer.
legendary
Activity: 1512
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This is exactly why we need Monero and private blockchains.  This is a ridiculous issue to have.

If the coins really moved and it was unknown they did, the market wouldn't have the chance to move down so everyone could buy more coins... Cheesy Downsides in everything, I guess Smiley


Still waiting for that statement from blockchain, genuinely curious about what happened.

Yeah the problem seems to be persisting and targeting the assumed addresses of Satoshi, which might cause some excitement and whatnot over the folks that are too eager to know who he/she is. I thought it's a pushtx API problem?

There seems to be a problem with blockchain.info's (pushtx) API...

https://twitter.com/maraoz/status/628628997211996160

Quote
Manuel Aráoz ‏@maraoz  2h
Just managed to "spend" block reward from block 1000 https://blockchain.info/tx/2e6832a424b1984005deb0a9b7a32a557828677c4078d16986870171dde813ec … - confirming it's a problem with bc.i pushtx API

So it seems, but that's not an official blockchain source...
legendary
Activity: 3542
Merit: 1352
This is exactly why we need Monero and private blockchains.  This is a ridiculous issue to have.

If the coins really moved and it was unknown they did, the market wouldn't have the chance to move down so everyone could buy more coins... Cheesy Downsides in everything, I guess Smiley


Still waiting for that statement from blockchain, genuinely curious about what happened.

Yeah the problem seems to be persisting and targeting the assumed addresses of Satoshi, which might cause some excitement and whatnot over the folks that are too eager to know who he/she is. I thought it's a pushtx API problem?

There seems to be a problem with blockchain.info's (pushtx) API...

https://twitter.com/maraoz/status/628628997211996160

Quote
Manuel Aráoz ‏@maraoz  2h
Just managed to "spend" block reward from block 1000 https://blockchain.info/tx/2e6832a424b1984005deb0a9b7a32a557828677c4078d16986870171dde813ec … - confirming it's a problem with bc.i pushtx API
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1012
This is exactly why we need Monero and private blockchains.  This is a ridiculous issue to have.

If the coins really moved and it was unknown they did, the market wouldn't have the chance to move down so everyone could buy more coins... Cheesy Downsides in everything, I guess Smiley


Still waiting for that statement from blockchain, genuinely curious about what happened.
hero member
Activity: 770
Merit: 504
This is exactly why we need Monero and private blockchains.  This is a ridiculous issue to have.
copper member
Activity: 924
Merit: 1007
hee-ho.
blockchain and their issues. I don't feel safe storing my btc there anymore. time to switch to electrum.

You only use one wallet type... why?

Blockchain.info is the perfect "spending" wallet.   Using it for cold storage is a terrabad idea though, terrabad.

I don't have any reason to use a cold storage at the moment (because I always spend my btc) so one wallet type is fine. and I've been wanting to switch to electrum for a while now, anyway.
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1000
blockchain and their issues. I don't feel safe storing my btc there anymore. time to switch to electrum.

You only use one wallet type... why?

Blockchain.info is the perfect "spending" wallet.   Using it for cold storage is a terrabad idea though, terrabad.
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1000
https://cryptoworld.io
i was excited like my first date and going to the first base  Cheesy

at the end it's better that those coins remain unspent
legendary
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Merit: 1043
#Free market
hero member
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Merit: 1000
There seems to be a problem with blockchain.info's (pushtx) API...

https://twitter.com/maraoz/status/628628997211996160

Quote
Manuel Aráoz ‏@maraoz  2h
Just managed to "spend" block reward from block 1000 https://blockchain.info/tx/2e6832a424b1984005deb0a9b7a32a557828677c4078d16986870171dde813ec … - confirming it's a problem with bc.i pushtx API
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