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Topic: Magicaldice.com(Provably fair or not..?)Warning for dicers - page 3. (Read 3296 times)

hero member
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I miss dooglus
your a fuckin joke a dude

lol that makes you even a bigger fucking joke
full member
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Merit: 108
your a fuckin joke a dude
hero member
Activity: 905
Merit: 502
I miss dooglus
i thought it was true. seeing you betting today. so its not true. ok then. dont stress over it
full member
Activity: 291
Merit: 108
yeah well i just told that idiot right now too and dont start with that bs dude i see you every fuckin day dude not like we werent just talkin a fuckin hour ago like dog really wtf is this stupid shit even about bro like foreal though
hero member
Activity: 905
Merit: 502
I miss dooglus
i never see you anymore so i posted here. its cool if its not true dont get so fired up about it then. just say it wasnt true.

which you did. case closed


but someone did say that to me blue
full member
Activity: 291
Merit: 108
idk who the fuck told you that dude but tell em they need to fuckin check there fuckin facts before they start opening there mouth bro i ever got anything from uni dude idk who the fuck cameup with that bs dude but thats some bs whoever is ut me behind my backlike a bitch would do if someone wanted to ask if uni gave me 2 btc for whatever fuckin reason that thought dawned upon them then they can ask me dude come on now dawg wtf dude foreal
hero member
Activity: 905
Merit: 502
I miss dooglus
hi blue its cbi. you got 2btc from unibtc and couldnt come by and say hi to me? thanks buddy. friend.


you know if i got 2btc i would have found you and help you out

your fuckin kiddin me right now cbi right


someone told me unibtc gave you 2 btc. maybe hes fucking with me
full member
Activity: 291
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hi blue its cbi. you got 2btc from unibtc and couldnt come by and say hi to me? thanks buddy. friend.


you know if i got 2btc i would have found you and help you out

your fuckin kiddin me right now cbi right
hero member
Activity: 905
Merit: 502
I miss dooglus
hi blue its cbi. you got 2btc from unibtc and couldnt come by and say hi to me? thanks buddy. friend.


you know if i got 2btc i would have found you and help you out
sr. member
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unibtc - Bitsler.com Developer
Another conversation with your very nice mod BTC..



Now i really do demand an apology.  Cool
hero member
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~ScapeGoat~
Modification of server-seed is not fair , Site should never interfere in this as it would highly affect the future outcomes of the dice being rolled.
I don't know why you guys did that , if your dev is smart enough then these things should not have happened , the site has been launched two weeks ago and it has been favorite of players but has been in issues even much more.
I must admit that i have played there quite often but the first experience was very much Fair but a recent experience was worst and i guess there has been done a lots of modification for the former to loose.
sr. member
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unibtc - Bitsler.com Developer
Now, that is pretty awkward. If the seed was changed, it shouldn't affect what shows up on previous bets.

When the server seed was reset, was the nonce set back to 0?

Our dev messed up and reset the server seed only. He thought that was all that was needed. Regardless, we understand that it was a pretty big mistake. When our dev comes online we will make sure Uni will be able to verify all previous rolls.

I just did a small run.. and im up 0.7.. So i guess that proves im not cheating..

Tho i have not received any apology from other admins even tho they have went online.. and i also demand an apology from your mod BTC.. thats all =)  
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 250
Now, that is pretty awkward. If the seed was changed, it shouldn't affect what shows up on previous bets.

When the server seed was reset, was the nonce set back to 0?

Our dev messed up and reset the server seed only. He thought that was all that was needed. Regardless, we understand that it was a pretty big mistake. When our dev comes online we will make sure Uni will be able to verify all previous rolls.
legendary
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Merit: 1005
New Decentralized Nuclear Hobbit
Now, that is pretty awkward. If the seed was changed, it shouldn't affect what shows up on previous bets.

When the server seed was reset, was the nonce set back to 0?


Admins/Dev shouldn't interfere with the provably fair system. By any interference, they are completely changing the future rolls, and changing the future decisions the player makes.
hero member
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Merit: 1000
Like Stars said, this has been resolved, I accepted his/her apology regarding this matter. I guess BLUE just wanted everyone to know what happened as a future reference "incase" something like this happened again in the future, whether it will be on the same site or other sites.

Looking at the screenshot of the chat conversation tho..

Mod BTC tried to stop Bluewaffle from saying his own opinion on the matter, and said that to let unibtc and stars talk about the issue. AND YET, after some few chats, he strongly, blatantly, blankly accused me of cheating.. There is no proof of this claim of his, neither the admins nor the devs could not prove otherwise. I have given my real life information, my real life finance information and complied to whatever they needed. And yet this mod just shoot away with his accusation. Would you trust a someone like this to be you mod? I wouldn't, then again its just me.

Anyway, for everyone's information, this has been resolved, Stars have apologized, and he/she said other admins will do too once they get online.

There is no cheating nor exploiting that happened, its just a decision made by the admins which is not right and should not happen again.

-unibtc

well said and yup i thought it was something that should be done and something everyone should know about ..hope you dont mind iposted but def felt like everyone should be aware of the incident

good move for you to post this. Even if the problem has been solved it still needs to be posted because it is unnetichal to suddenly change the seed because you suspect someone. If you think there is a hole in the system, fix it and dont change the seed without confirmation
full member
Activity: 291
Merit: 108
Like Stars said, this has been resolved, I accepted his/her apology regarding this matter. I guess BLUE just wanted everyone to know what happened as a future reference "incase" something like this happened again in the future, whether it will be on the same site or other sites.

Looking at the screenshot of the chat conversation tho..

Mod BTC tried to stop Bluewaffle from saying his own opinion on the matter, and said that to let unibtc and stars talk about the issue. AND YET, after some few chats, he strongly, blatantly, blankly accused me of cheating.. There is no proof of this claim of his, neither the admins nor the devs could not prove otherwise. I have given my real life information, my real life finance information and complied to whatever they needed. And yet this mod just shoot away with his accusation. Would you trust a someone like this to be you mod? I wouldn't, then again its just me.

Anyway, for everyone's information, this has been resolved, Stars have apologized, and he/she said other admins will do too once they get online.

There is no cheating nor exploiting that happened, its just a decision made by the admins which is not right and should not happen again.

-unibtc

well said and yup i thought it was something that should be done and something everyone should know about ..hope you dont mind iposted but def felt like everyone should be aware of the incident
sr. member
Activity: 353
Merit: 254
unibtc - Bitsler.com Developer
Like Stars said, this has been resolved, I accepted his/her apology regarding this matter. I guess BLUE just wanted everyone to know what happened as a future reference "incase" something like this happened again in the future, whether it will be on the same site or other sites.

Looking at the screenshot of the chat conversation tho..

Mod BTC tried to stop Bluewaffle from saying his own opinion on the matter, and said that to let unibtc and stars talk about the issue. AND YET, after some few chats, he strongly, blatantly, blankly accused me of cheating.. There is no proof of this claim of his, neither the admins nor the devs could not prove otherwise. I have given my real life information, my real life finance information and complied to whatever they needed. And yet this mod just shoot away with his accusation. Would you trust a someone like this to be you mod? I wouldn't, then again its just me.

Anyway, for everyone's information, this has been resolved, Stars have apologized, and he/she said other admins will do too once they get online.

There is no cheating nor exploiting that happened, its just a decision made by the admins which is not right and should not happen again.

-unibtc
sr. member
Activity: 304
Merit: 252
CLAM Dev
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So, you can actually change server seeds from the admin panel? That seems quite serious seeing you can change server seed as you do also know what the roll result will be.

It may look serious and possibly malicious, but I can promise you those weren't our intentions. Even if they were, as far as I know the only way we could cheat if Unibtc had a pattern and we gave him a seed which messed his pattern up. E.g if he would only roll under 49.5 we would give him a seed that rolls a lot of high numbers. But that's not the case at all because if you've watched Unibtc bet, he doesn't have a pattern. He switches from hi to lo randomly and also bets random amounts.
Yup I understand that you didn't cheat unibtc, but you do have the power to cheat other people , not saying you would but seems shady for you to have that  kind of power. AFAIK most people don't check every one of their bets for fairness, and you have the power to use it to your advantage if you find a HR with a particular stratergy.

As far as I'm aware all dice site admins have this ability.  They know the server seed which is created by them and have them stored somewhere. Beacuse of the nonce method; unless the user is changing their client seed each roll the admins will be able to predetermine future rolls.

It would be a little unnerving to think they have this information readily available to them. Even without any intentions of cheating their users its quite possible they could leak information about future rolls and inadvertently cause issues.

I know dooglus had been known to look ahead from time to time but stopped when he accidentally gave up information to a better.
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 250
I'm wondering why after changing the server seed it didn't reveal his old server seed on his old bets too. My guess is that since our dev did it manually it didn't update on the bet ID, since it maybe only updates on the bet ID after a player re-sets it. Either way, we made a mistake for sure.  I will get that question answered when our dev comes online though.
Maybe the dev changed the seed secret directly in the database to the user unibtc and it is lost now.

Pretty sure he did change it in the database yeah.
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 250
-----snip---

So, you can actually change server seeds from the admin panel? That seems quite serious seeing you can change server seed as you do also know what the roll result will be.

It may look serious and possibly malicious, but I can promise you those weren't our intentions. Even if they were, as far as I know the only way we could cheat if Unibtc had a pattern and we gave him a seed which messed his pattern up. E.g if he would only roll under 49.5 we would give him a seed that rolls a lot of high numbers. But that's not the case at all because if you've watched Unibtc bet, he doesn't have a pattern. He switches from hi to lo randomly and also bets random amounts.
Yup I understand that you didn't cheat unibtc, but you do have the power to cheat other people , not saying you would but seems shady for you to have that  kind of power. AFAIK most people don't check every one of their bets for fairness, and you have the power to use it to your advantage if you find a HR with a particular stratergy.

Every website has that power. It's not like we did it to everyone, we did it to unibtc because we thought it was possible he had the server seed from when the same roll incident happened.
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