MagicalTux & DefaultTrust [ Why ?] - page 2.

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Quote from: Lauda on September 30, 2014, 10:13:39 AM

Even though it's up to the person who put him under their wing, mods can/should help out like in this case. The procedure to removing him is quick I'm sure, and everyone here seems to agree (think that he deserves to be removed).

But I think a mod or an admin never delete him from the defaultTrust list , I think this actual system "should" be changed and the list should be updated asap.

Thanks for your reply ( It's very appreciated).

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Even though it's up to the person who put him under their wing, mods can/should help out like in this case. The procedure to removing him is quick I'm sure, and everyone here seems to agree (think that he deserves to be removed).

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Quote from: redsn0w on September 30, 2014, 08:17:53 AM

Quote from: ForgottenPassword on September 30, 2014, 01:28:20 AM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on September 30, 2014, 01:17:29 AM

Absolutely wrong! Being in DefaultTrust list means you are trustworthy. Only trustworthy users will be in DefaultTrust list. Roll Eyes

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Nope thats just not how the trust system is designed I am afraid. The people on the trust list are "trust moderators", not trustworthy users. People are supposed to be put on DefaultTrust because the ratings they leave others are believed to be accurate, not because they are trustworthy.

Quote from: theymos on November 11, 2013, 11:20:58 PM

Quote from: SaltySpitoon on November 11, 2013, 11:02:30 PM

yeah, Theymos, would you mind telling us the reason Tradefortress was on the default trust list? My speculation was that he had "disclosed security flaws in a responsible manner" as your feedback for him said, but was that the reason or was there another reason?

No. The damage someone in DefaultTrust can do is very limited, so a lot of trust isn't required. I've actually long been suspicious of TradeFortress because he was holding too much BTC, CoinLenders looked like a HYIP, and I've heard some suspicious rumors about him. But I thought that he was very unlikely to go totally crazy with trust. (And he didn't.)

He was on DefaultTrust because his trust list was good. There were only a few problems that ever resulted from his list, but he brought many good people into the trust network. He also seemed to understand the trust system more than anyone else, and he paid the most attention to trust activity across the trust system.

Of course , you 're right . There are some users are not trustworthy , but they are in the defaultTrust list . However I think @theymos or another admin "should" check the list and remove some users and add a new users (But this is only my suggestion) .

Honestly there shouldn't be a default list in the first place due to how you really know these people? how you know they can be trusted? Ohh because they were here since the beginning? Dont matter anyone can turn out to be a scammer sooner or later.

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Quote from: ForgottenPassword on September 30, 2014, 01:28:20 AM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on September 30, 2014, 01:17:29 AM

Absolutely wrong! Being in DefaultTrust list means you are trustworthy. Only trustworthy users will be in DefaultTrust list. Roll Eyes

~~MZ~~

Nope thats just not how the trust system is designed I am afraid. The people on the trust list are "trust moderators", not trustworthy users. People are supposed to be put on DefaultTrust because the ratings they leave others are believed to be accurate, not because they are trustworthy.

Quote from: theymos on November 11, 2013, 11:20:58 PM

Quote from: SaltySpitoon on November 11, 2013, 11:02:30 PM

yeah, Theymos, would you mind telling us the reason Tradefortress was on the default trust list? My speculation was that he had "disclosed security flaws in a responsible manner" as your feedback for him said, but was that the reason or was there another reason?

No. The damage someone in DefaultTrust can do is very limited, so a lot of trust isn't required. I've actually long been suspicious of TradeFortress because he was holding too much BTC, CoinLenders looked like a HYIP, and I've heard some suspicious rumors about him. But I thought that he was very unlikely to go totally crazy with trust. (And he didn't.)

He was on DefaultTrust because his trust list was good. There were only a few problems that ever resulted from his list, but he brought many good people into the trust network. He also seemed to understand the trust system more than anyone else, and he paid the most attention to trust activity across the trust system.

Of course , you 're right . There are some users are not trustworthy , but they are in the defaultTrust list . However I think @theymos or another admin "should" check the list and remove some users and add a new users (But this is only my suggestion) .

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on September 30, 2014, 01:17:29 AM

Absolutely wrong! Being in DefaultTrust list means you are trustworthy. Only trustworthy users will be in DefaultTrust list. Roll Eyes

~~MZ~~

Nope thats just not how the trust system is designed I am afraid. The people on the trust list are "trust moderators", not trustworthy users. People are supposed to be put on DefaultTrust because the ratings they leave others are believed to be accurate, not because they are trustworthy.

Quote from: theymos on November 11, 2013, 11:20:58 PM

Quote from: SaltySpitoon on November 11, 2013, 11:02:30 PM

yeah, Theymos, would you mind telling us the reason Tradefortress was on the default trust list? My speculation was that he had "disclosed security flaws in a responsible manner" as your feedback for him said, but was that the reason or was there another reason?

No. The damage someone in DefaultTrust can do is very limited, so a lot of trust isn't required. I've actually long been suspicious of TradeFortress because he was holding too much BTC, CoinLenders looked like a HYIP, and I've heard some suspicious rumors about him. But I thought that he was very unlikely to go totally crazy with trust. (And he didn't.)

He was on DefaultTrust because his trust list was good. There were only a few problems that ever resulted from his list, but he brought many good people into the trust network. He also seemed to understand the trust system more than anyone else, and he paid the most attention to trust activity across the trust system.

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Quote from: ForgottenPassword on September 30, 2014, 12:02:19 AM

It doesn't really matter if there is a scammer in the DefaultTrust list. It only matters if they leave feedback that someone disputes.

Being in the DefaultTrust list only means you leave accurate feedback, not that you are trustworthy.

Absolutely wrong! Being in DefaultTrust list means you are trustworthy. Only trustworthy users will be in DefaultTrust list. Roll Eyes

~~MZ~~

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It doesn't really matter if there is a scammer in the DefaultTrust list. It only matters if they leave feedback that someone disputes.

Being in the DefaultTrust list only means you leave accurate feedback, not that you are trustworthy.

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Quote from: Maged on September 29, 2014, 08:45:18 PM

I ended up removing him from my list, but until he leaves feedback that someone disputes, it doesn't really matter.

Thank you @Maged ! Have a nice day

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I ended up removing him from my list, but until he leaves feedback that someone disputes, it doesn't really matter.

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Quote from: qwk on September 24, 2014, 08:08:30 AM

Quote from: Beastlymac on September 21, 2014, 08:37:35 PM

Quote from: redsn0w on September 21, 2014, 04:19:03 PM

a simple question : Why MagicalTux ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/magicaltux-2134 ) is still in the defaultrust list ? He is under John (John K.) and under Maged.

That is because it is up to maged and john k to remove him. If they haven't removed him then nobody else can.

Which brings up another interesting question:
Why is John still in DefaultTrust?
His recent inactivity over the last few months doesn't make him any better at deciding upon who is "good" or "bad", after all.

The same would go for anyone in DefaultTrust with low activity, btw.

Yes, this is another interesting question . The defaultTrust list should be updated ( For my point of view).

Because a scammer (MagicalTux) MUST not stay in the list Wink

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Quote from: qwk on September 24, 2014, 08:08:30 AM

Quote from: Beastlymac on September 21, 2014, 08:37:35 PM

Quote from: redsn0w on September 21, 2014, 04:19:03 PM

a simple question : Why MagicalTux ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/magicaltux-2134 ) is still in the defaultrust list ? He is under John (John K.) and under Maged.

That is because it is up to maged and john k to remove him. If they haven't removed him then nobody else can.

Which brings up another interesting question:
Why is John still in DefaultTrust?
His recent inactivity over the last few months doesn't make him any better at deciding upon who is "good" or "bad", after all.

The same would go for anyone in DefaultTrust with low activity, btw.

Maybe someone will remove him eventually. If people are not active or leave the forums maybe they should be removed eventually, but that doesn't make their old feedback any less valid, though I guess it will still show up in the untrusted section.

Quote from: Beastlymac on September 24, 2014, 08:10:43 AM

That is a fair point. I agree that the default trust list needs to be kept maintained and up to date.

It is. Theymos does add and remove people every now and again. So do others who are on there. It is a good idea for everyone to to keep tabs on it for obvious reasons though, but even more so by those who are on it or can add people to it.

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Quote from: qwk on September 24, 2014, 08:08:30 AM

Quote from: Beastlymac on September 21, 2014, 08:37:35 PM

Quote from: redsn0w on September 21, 2014, 04:19:03 PM

a simple question : Why MagicalTux ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/magicaltux-2134 ) is still in the defaultrust list ? He is under John (John K.) and under Maged.

That is because it is up to maged and john k to remove him. If they haven't removed him then nobody else can.

Which brings up another interesting question:
Why is John still in DefaultTrust?
His recent inactivity over the last few months doesn't make him any better at deciding upon who is "good" or "bad", after all.

The same would go for anyone in DefaultTrust with low activity, btw.

That is a fair point. I agree that the default trust list needs to be kept maintained and up to date.

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Quote from: Beastlymac on September 21, 2014, 08:37:35 PM

Quote from: redsn0w on September 21, 2014, 04:19:03 PM

a simple question : Why MagicalTux ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/magicaltux-2134 ) is still in the defaultrust list ? He is under John (John K.) and under Maged.

That is because it is up to maged and john k to remove him. If they haven't removed him then nobody else can.

Which brings up another interesting question:
Why is John still in DefaultTrust?
His recent inactivity over the last few months doesn't make him any better at deciding upon who is "good" or "bad", after all.

The same would go for anyone in DefaultTrust with low activity, btw.

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Quote from: Dare on September 22, 2014, 07:49:58 PM

I personally still use DefaultTrust, because I trust theymos (if you're using this forum at all, you have some trust in him at a minimum), but I check all of a user's trust ratings and the people who created them before making a deal anyway, so I only really use my trust list for a first impression (though I haven't yet disagreed with it).

Well said. If I were to EVER interact with anyone, I'd listen to all the reviews, not just those that I deem "trustworthy". Sure, there's bound to be a few bad sources, but overall, there's more trusthworthy sources than not for most people.

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Quote from: Dare on September 22, 2014, 07:49:58 PM

DefaultTrust is a list of trustworthy users maintained by theymos; with the default trust depth, people those users trust are also trusted. Anyone with any concerns about this can (and should!) create their own trust list or at least change their trust depth. You can adjust your personal trust settings here.

I personally still use DefaultTrust, because I trust theymos (if you're using this forum at all, you have some trust in him at a minimum), but I check all of a user's trust ratings and the people who created them before making a deal anyway, so I only really use my trust list for a first impression (though I haven't yet disagreed with it).

Thanks (again) for the informations , I also trust theymos but I don't trust MagicalTux Cheesy

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Quote from: TECSHARE on September 22, 2014, 11:20:21 PM

Apparently magictux is 2 people above me in most trusted. This makes me sad Sad

Don't worry Grin

be happy !

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Apparently magictux is 2 people above me in most trusted. This makes me sad Sad

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DefaultTrust is a list of trustworthy users maintained by theymos; with the default trust depth, people those users trust are also trusted. Anyone with any concerns about this can (and should!) create their own trust list or at least change their trust depth. You can adjust your personal trust settings here.

I personally still use DefaultTrust, because I trust theymos (if you're using this forum at all, you have some trust in him at a minimum), but I check all of a user's trust ratings and the people who created them before making a deal anyway, so I only really use my trust list for a first impression (though I haven't yet disagreed with it).

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Quote from: Beastlymac on September 21, 2014, 08:37:35 PM

Quote from: redsn0w on September 21, 2014, 04:19:03 PM

Hey guys,

a simple question : Why MagicalTux ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/magicaltux-2134 ) is still in the defaultrust list ? He is under John (John K.) and under Maged.

I think isn't right to have a non-legit person in the DefaultTrust , and I also know his last active is : Last Active: May 05, 2014, 01:30:34 AM

But this doesn't matter.

sorry for the question , but I would like to know ! Thanks for the attention .

That is because it is up to maged and john k to remove him. If they haven't removed him then nobody else can.

Thank for the reply , so at the moment the actual defaultTrust is "unequal" ?

PS: I'm only asking for me that isn't a real problem Cheesy

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Quote from: redsn0w on September 21, 2014, 04:19:03 PM

Hey guys,

a simple question : Why MagicalTux ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/magicaltux-2134 ) is still in the defaultrust list ? He is under John (John K.) and under Maged.

I think isn't right to have a non-legit person in the DefaultTrust , and I also know his last active is : Last Active: May 05, 2014, 01:30:34 AM

But this doesn't matter.

sorry for the question , but I would like to know ! Thanks for the attention .

That is because it is up to maged and john k to remove him. If they haven't removed him then nobody else can.

redsn0w

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Hey guys,

a simple question : Why MagicalTux ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/magicaltux-2134 ) is still in the defaultrust list ? He is under John (John K.) and under Maged.

I think isn't right to have a non-legit person in the DefaultTrust , and I also know his last active is : Last Active: May 05, 2014, 01:30:34 AM

But this doesn't matter.

sorry for the question , but I would like to know ! Thanks for the attention .

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