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With your permission I will like to translate this topic to my local board naija "pidgin language". Thank you.
In general, my guide is a bit outdated because Electrum has introduced new features but my advice is still somehow useful, so a translation of your language would make sense. I've also noted it, so you are first in line but I still need to get new pictures for my OP because Imgur doesn't work any longer.
I'll try to update all pictures next weekend and maybe you can post a reminder here for an official request next weekend if possible?
But your request is noted for now.  Smiley
For the pictures l will try and get the pictures, let me handle it I will take it as a challenge for myself to research on it. I am ready to learn so let me fix the pictures. I want to know if I can be able to do it myself.
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With your permission I will like to translate this topic to my local board naija "pidgin language". Thank you.
In general, my guide is a bit outdated because Electrum has introduced new features but my advice is still somehow useful, so a translation of your language would make sense. I've also noted it, so you are first in line but I still need to get new pictures for my OP because Imgur doesn't work any longer.
I'll try to update all pictures next weekend and maybe you can post a reminder here for an official request next weekend if possible?
But your request is noted for now.  Smiley
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With your permission I will like to translate this topic to my local board naija "pidgin language". Thank you.
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I did 4 sat/byte (Size: 134 byte) today without a hours my bitcoin landing in gambling house.
weekend is good time to transfer bitcoin with less fee.

Bitcoin transaction fees (in sats/kb). Sunday, Saturday are best to move BTC

Bitcoin mempool is not heavily loaded the time you send and you are very lucky. That 4 sats/byte is the slowest and if you used that during the halving then maybe you will wait for a week or so.

The guide above was really helpful, I hope that bitcoin wallet such as electrum will have a suggested fee based on the current condition of mempool so that user will have any idea on the amount of fee that will be efficient for sending transactions on that moment. Just on the local wallet on our country (Coins.ph) which is the fee varies base on mempool condition.
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On May 22 I had to pay a higher fee to send a certain amount of bitcoin. I had to spend 111.5 sat/ byte at that time and that was the lowest "minimum" fees recommended by the mobile wallet that I was using.
Hopefully you have since changed to a better wallet. On May 22nd, at worst a fee of 111 sats/vbyte would have put you 2 MB from the tip, which isn't a low fee by any stretch of the imagination. The mempool was frequently clearing down to around 15 sats/vbtye, and went as low as 10 sats/vbyte. If 111 was the "minimum" your wallet would let you pay, then you were being grossly overcharged, and I shudder to think just how much the "high priority" fee it recommended would have been.

It is wallets like this that make fees excessive for everyone. There was no need to for you to pay a fee that high, and by doing so, other wallets see that high fee and then unnecessarily go even higher to try to overcome it. Even now, with the mempool essentially being empty for the last 24 hours, within 5 minutes of each block the fee to get within 0.1 MB of the tip jumps from 1 sat/vbyte to over 100 sats/vbyte. If everyone just took 5 seconds to pick a sensible fee, everyone would save >90% of their fee and still confirm just as quickly.
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I did 4 sat/byte (Size: 134 byte) today without a hours my bitcoin landing in gambling house.
weekend is good time to transfer bitcoin with less fee.

Bitcoin transaction fees (in sats/kb). Sunday, Saturday are best to move BTC
On May 22 I had to pay a higher fee to send a certain amount of bitcoin. I had to spend 111.5 sat/ byte at that time and that was the lowest "minimum" fees recommended by the mobile wallet that I was using. Really, today I can confirm that transaction fees are cheaper than 100% from last week. Based on the mobile wallet recommendation I used, todays minimum transaction fee is 1 sat/ byte. Hopefully it can last.
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I did 4 sat/byte (Size: 134 byte) today without a hours my bitcoin landing in gambling house.
weekend is good time to transfer bitcoin with less fee.

Bitcoin transaction fees (in sats/kb). Sunday, Saturday are best to move BTC
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This is a great guide. A friend of mine who just started using Bitcoin asked me this very question yesterday and I saw this before I got around to writing a guide. Kudos!!
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This is indeed a good thread for newbies knowing about changing transaction fees as most wallets doesn't let you change the transaction fee. I am adding this to your op about using electrum on mobile where it is also possible to change what you wanted to use between three of the choices available. ETA, STATIC and MEMPOOL by going to Send and tap on the fee to adjust it and tap on the right side of the method to change it either to ETA (by blocks) the fastest is next block and the slowest is within 25 blocks, Mempool (by size: mb) fastest is 0.1 MB from tip and the slowest is 10.0 mb and Static which is by sat/byte from 1 sat/byte the slowest and 300 sat/byte the fastest. Thanks to this thread I found out that I can change which method I'm gonna use between those three methods just now.
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Due to the halving, occurred on May 11, 2020, the reduced block reward has caused that it became temporarily quite unattractive for the miners to mine Bitcoin. That will finally change when the difficulty is adjusted again, because right now the difficulty from before the halving is still active, when there were 12.5 Bitcoin per block.

The next difficulty adjustment should take place in 2 days and 14 hours, until then the blocks will still be found only sparsely, which is causing a full Mempool:



Please make sure to keep in mind that transactions have to be sent temporarily with a higher fee in order to get into a block by time. The accumulated transactions will also affect the mempool negatively for the time after the difficulty adjustment, so that it can take some time until the Mempool is completely empty again.
If you want to save fees and don't have a reason to hurry, it's a good option to wait and send your transaction later when the Mempool is empty again.
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Yes, finally I have paid 1 sat/byte more for my transaction than required.  Tongue
But it's not known while sending a transaction, when a new block will be found. It's possible that the block will be found 1 minute later or 20 minutes later. And in the meantime, the size of the mempool can increase especially with transactions paying more sat/byte than my transaction so that they will be included in a new block first.
So, I tend to set always 1 or 2 sat/byte more when in doubt. That's not much $ (also depending on the size of the transaction) but will increase the possibility to get the transaction into the next block.

of course that is also what i would do to stay ahead of the curve.
but i was just pointing out how these charts work because i think it is easy to misinterpret them, i used to do it myself. specially since they are satoshi per "byte" not "virutal byte" and it causes some trouble with SegWit transactions you make.
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Additional with this, try also to use this website if you want to check current suggested feen in satoshi per byte:
https://coinb.in/#fees , you can also try some input there and you will see calculated fees.
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And when you have a look at the graph you’ll also notice some transactions using a fee way too high… They had sent their transaction with more than 100 satoshi / bytes, although a fee of only 2 satoshi / byte would have been enough to get the transaction into the next block. ^^

the values on this chart are aggregated size not the size at that s/b value. meaning when you see 0.294 MB in front of 2+ it means there are 0.294 MB transaction that pay a fee of 2, 2.1, 2.11,... 2.2, 3, ...,4... and so on fee. so when you see it says 0.556 MB in front of 1 s/b then it means if you had paid 1 satoshi/byte fee or less your transaction would have been confirmed in the next block. and 2 was overpay.
Yes, finally I have paid 1 sat/byte more for my transaction than required.  Tongue
But it's not known while sending a transaction, when a new block will be found. It's possible that the block will be found 1 minute later or 20 minutes later. And in the meantime, the size of the mempool can increase especially with transactions paying more sat/byte than my transaction so that they will be included in a new block first.
So, I tend to set always 1 or 2 sat/byte more when in doubt. That's not much $ (also depending on the size of the transaction) but will increase the possibility to get the transaction into the next block.


If it is Electrum, you don't have to use that online chart.
That "mempool size in MB" chart is basically the same as Electrum's fee estimation (mempool setting) slider.
Yes, it's a nice tool and much better than the other two (Static / ETA). However, it's always useful to have a look at the Mempool to get an impression about the overall situation (a few hours) before. (If there are many transactions incoming or the mempool is getting emptier step by step.
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This is a study[1] that shows how the fees change based on timezone and thus filter you the best times to send Bitcoin. I don't know if a site offers such services but it would be nice if someone knew a similar site.
If you find some time and the fees are low, don't forget to use this opportunity to Consolidate your small inputs!

[1] Bitcoin Fees Can Be Cheaper Depending on the Timezone
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If it is Electrum, you don't have to use that online chart.
That "mempool size in MB" chart is basically the same as Electrum's fee estimation (mempool setting) slider.
Preferences->Fees Tab->Fee estimation drop-down list: Mempool
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Then user just have to pay attention to the lowest possible fee for less than "1MB from tip" priority transactions.
Now it's currently "1sat/B": (Send tab)
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Just make sure that your internet connection is fast for this to be accurate.
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And when you have a look at the graph you’ll also notice some transactions using a fee way too high… They had sent their transaction with more than 100 satoshi / bytes, although a fee of only 2 satoshi / byte would have been enough to get the transaction into the next block. ^^

the values on this chart are aggregated size not the size at that s/b value. meaning when you see 0.294 MB in front of 2+ it means there are 0.294 MB transaction that pay a fee of 2, 2.1, 2.11,... 2.2, 3, ...,4... and so on fee. so when you see it says 0.556 MB in front of 1 s/b then it means if you had paid 1 satoshi/byte fee or less your transaction would have been confirmed in the next block. and 2 was overpay.

the reason why the last number (total) is 2.845 MB is that there are more transactions paying a fee between 0 and 1 and that is mainly because this is satoshi/byte instead of virtual byte and when you send a SegWit tx and you are paying for example 1 s/vb that is smaller in s/b.
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By the way, I updated my OP with your topic.
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I stumbled across this site a while ago: https://cryptocurrencyalerting.com/

It lets you set notifications for the mempool going above or below a custom set size in megabytes or number of unconfirmed transactions, as well as wallet notifications, price notifications, and some other stuff. They claim to support email, SMS, browser, push to mobile, and various other methods. You do need to open an account to use them, though.

I've never got round to testing it out, so I can't personally vouch for them. I would be interested to hear your experiences if you do sign up.

Thanks.
I know about this website.
I did test it myself before, and connected it with my Discord  channel.
It does have some restrictions for free version, and I received notification only one time.
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You are right the most cases of unconfirmed transactions is due to low fees during transaction which always lead to this, to get a transaction confirmed and delivered one need to use a active and high fees.
Well, actually o_e_l_e_o didn't said that and I guess he wouldn't say such a thing.  Cheesy

If the Mempool is almost empty there's no reason to set a high fee and that's why checking the Mempool will show you how much you need to pay to get the transaction confirmed...
It's also possible to have a fast transaction while paying a very low fee. That's why I've made the guide.  Wink
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Great guide. It's always better to look at the mempool directly that to rely on a website running an unknown script to predict what fee you should choose.

Do you know any service that sends you notifications (email or other) when mempool is full and transaction fees are higher.
I stumbled across this site a while ago: https://cryptocurrencyalerting.com/

It lets you set notifications for the mempool going above or below a custom set size in megabytes or number of unconfirmed transactions, as well as wallet notifications, price notifications, and some other stuff. They claim to support email, SMS, browser, push to mobile, and various other methods. You do need to open an account to use them, though.

I've never got round to testing it out, so I can't personally vouch for them. I would be interested to hear your experiences if you do sign up.
You are right the most cases of unconfirmed transactions is due to low fees during transaction which always lead to this, to get a transaction confirmed and delivered one need to use a active and high fees.
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