Topic: Make this forum a better place - part 1 (Read 830 times)

The Jpeg Compressor can compress your JPEG image file (from any software) and reduce its size to a minimum. You wont lose quality when you will use this tool because all the optimization process is automatic and invisible, at least visually.

I am bumping this thread to ask mods/staff about some of my reports which stay unhandled for last 10+ days, and they concern reports about abusive quoting of OP with big images. In my first series of such reports all such post are deleted in less than 24 hours, now obviously no one wants to solve them.

What I'm wondering is if it makes more sense at all to report such posts which do not violate any forum rules, but are really very inappropriate and unnecessary - and for those who have limited internet traffic or slow internet it only makes difficult to use the forum.

Actually just minimizing the images to a thumbnail would do the job. But then, we have to wait for Epochy's release just like Half-Life 3.

I seriously doubt that will happen or that they care in the first place. I have always made a distinction between link spamming social media bounty hunters and other hunters who actually provide a service. The other group consists of graphic designers, translators, content creators, bug reporters, and whatever else is available. The first group of Facebook/Twitter spammers will surely not do that. Every seconds spent on deleting old links is a second they could have posted new links on the forum.

A rule stating that quoting an OP is not allowed would be great. Making it impossible to quote pictures in OPs would be even better.

Besides playing with picture size and dimensions, I would suggest to all bounty hunters delete their posts with reports at least once a year or after campaign distributes rewards. Who needs old reports anyway? Better clean all that bytes of informational garbage.
Anyway if you still need your super necessary intellectual property you can still find it on https://loyce.club/

Compression without losing quality is possible.
There are two types of compression: lossless and lossy compression.

The lossless compression is quite limited and lossy compression can still be done without humans noticing any significant difference (i.e. because the human eye is more sensitive to brightness than to colors -> reduction of color data easily possible).




And this is perfectly possible with JPG. You just need to compress it further (i.e. by setting the quality factor lower).

Modern forum software now auto fetches the last quote, but it's hard to blame the newbies if they are unaware of this.

I edited my previous post with links to posts that are unnecessarily quoted whole OP with big image, and I can confirm that all 4 posts have been deleted + one extra in the same thread. In my report I ask mod to edit post or delete, but since the posts have been deleted, it is obvious that some moderators do not approve of such behavior.

I think the forum can be an even better place than it is now, but that means we need to use the "report to moderator" button more, and even if it sometimes means that the report may be marked as "bad".

I never thought that the such posts can be deleted on reporting. I see people quoting the whole ANN thread which contain both the images and lot of text, which is just useless. Same thing is done sometimes on the signature campaign main post being quoted in full which contain everything including the signatures BBcodes 
From today onwards, i will also report such posts.

So I'll test the water if ever I encountered some of those users quoting the whole OP and see if I will got same result.

Ive see so it will depend on different moderators perspective of either it could be deleted or not. But there should be a constant decision to this to avoid bias right? Or still depend on users case who did the quoting and the degree it affects the post. Maybe adding it in the forum rule could be good(?) not sure. I am glad to hear any opinion from moderator about this.

Well, people have the habit of quoting the posts and then replying them. They do not care if the posts contain the image of not and therefore once a post containing an image is quoted again n again, we have to see the same image in same size again n again. I am sure no one does this intentionally, it is just people do not know how to remove the image from the quoted post or how to shorten the image size or maybe they just don't care.

I post pictures sometimes and I'm guilty of this as I don't post a thumbnail but the entire picture though I adjust it to a lower size, I'll follow this advise of yours. Thanks Jet Cash, less complicated. 


~snip~ could be useful here.

Anyway, thank you OP, effort is appreciated, that would certainly help to make this forum a better place.

Jet Cash
Usually thread authors (OPs) post images for introduction in ANN threads but of course there are other cases too (for example, promotions, statistics, etc).

When someone quotes the same image, it doesn't increase load time / data usage but seems to be really boring.

NavI_027
Idea behind this procedures is to resize image in order to get smaller image that as a result is smaller in size (MBs/KBs). And then compress after that to get even smaller in size.

LoyceV
Your picture described everything perfectly:
PNG - Portable Network Graphics
JPG  / JPEG - Joint Photographic Experts Group

So, long story short, PNG = higher quality images than JPG but is higher in size too because of this reason.
Advantege of PNG over JPG is that sometimes we need images with transparent background (for example, logos).

Also, I want to mention WEBP since I included it in topic. This new image format was created especially for web. WEBP offers lossless compression of images and higher quality at the same time. Idea behind WEBP was to make load of images faster and efficient.

bob123
Nothing can be compressed without losing quality but this compression allows you to reduce size while making it almost impossible for eye to detect the difference between two.


P.S. There are two benefits of this compression. Less data when using mobile network and less load time of images, as a result faster and better performance on every device. Personally, I prefer to see thread loaded in 3 seconds rather than in 7 seconds.

Yeah it is bothering seeing a user to quote the whole post especially when there's a picture in it, huge picture, when they could have just reply if it is still on the first page of the thread OR they quote it with the picture deleted OR they could just paste the entire line that they want to quote with bold or italic text for crediting. It is good actually coz they are receiving a message that they the post of them is deleted, so they will not do it next time. But I guess the mods should put the very reason why the post is deleted. " Bad presentation " will do.

What you are talking is the resolution of the image, the thing with adjusting the width and height has to do with the quality of the image and the file size, as you adjust it below the normal size you are sacrificing the quality of it to reduce the size load. So I guess what you have said is incorrect, smaller images comes with lesser data than bigger ones.

I think this is why some users prefer to just drop the image link so it will not be bothering as it look when posted in the forum, but also some users are complaining whether they could have just directly posted it.

My answer for this is, don't post an image if it is not necessary. 

My experience with all the suggestions I made until now is that only handful of people will actually care about the forum , the rest are here just for the bounties and rewards and they don't really care what they do, spamming and shitting all over the place. Good suggestion, i hope more people will start caring.

In your example, yes they would.

But there is not a single reason to convert the image to webp.
If you have a PNG or JPG image, just run the JPG compression (again) with a lower quality factor, and your image gets smaller in size

I don't see any reason for using any other format than PNG for uncompressed and JPG for compressed images.

I used https://ezgif.com/jpg-to-webp to convert the image from JPG to webp. I guess they scaled it down.

Don't look at the numbers/stats. The reduced quality isn't that important when showing a chart like in my example. Both pictures would be usable.

But all of this wouldn't be necessary if one of 3 things were to happen:

1. Users stop posting huge images.
2. Users stop quoting posts with huge images.
3. *The forum made it impossible for a quoted image to appear in a new post.

*This would be somewhat controversial though. Very often higher ranked members quote newbie accounts for legitimate reasons to make their images visible in a thread. This could prevent that.   

I reported one post from user who is quote whole OP with big image to see what the result will be, and today I see that the report was marked as good and the post was deleted. Although the outcome of each report will depend on the moderator who comes to it first, it seems that some members will learn to use the forum functions correctly only when their posts are deleted.

Imagine you are reading a very nice thread and suddenly there are guys quoted the same OP post with huge images consecutively, thats not just annoying but it will hurt your eyes with those gigantic images especially if you are using a desktop/laptop.

Im also thinking if reporting that to moderators could be considered as good report like noting a " huge size of images, bad representation".

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^{Before I really dont know how to make the image adjuat but later on I found out. But thanks OP for adding another option to every users to do that.}