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Topic: Man who created own credit card sues bank for not sticking to terms - page 2. (Read 329 times)

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He just thought he's clever  Grin.
Anything that is done with a wrong motive will be spoiled. Can't blame banks but I do hate them and the rules they impose. I wish we will be free from banks but there are no other services that can give as banks do. Cryptocurrency and its decentralization is the best but not all in life can be solved by crypto.
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This news story could illustrate one advantage crypto currencies have over conventional banking and credit platforms in terms of them being less trust based. Smart contracts in crypto would likely be deliberately designed to prevent this form of exploit. While credit card companies as trust based systems would more commonly fail to recognize the attack vector.

Perhaps we will see less of this occurrence as financial institutions like banks make a transition to more algorithmically regulated banking which relies less on trust. Until then, I hope everyone enjoys humor and entertainment from this, while it lasts.

You don't need smart contracts to prevent this. Just don't accept customer amendments since these are boilerplate documents and if you do, actually read them. Cheesy

Smart contracts are only needed for regulating value transfer. I could see smart contracts securing collateral with secured loans (although we'll probably see some big screwups from bad coding Cheesy) but it's not possible to do that with unsecured loans like credit cards. And it's tough to imagine a world without credit cards. I think at high enough interest rates and fees, issuing unsecured credit will always be justifiable as long as banks exist.
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He just took advantage of a system flaw, with the automation in the steps and others I am not surprised to read such a story.

Smart contracts have indeed their place but the thing is smart contracts are not only about cryptos. It can also be used (and it is) with the fiats system, insurance.. It's about IT protocols firstly. And to be an efficient smart contract the data needs to be accurate and this is where we have a limit with it.
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This is such an obvious fraud.

In my jurisdiction that would be considered a void contract. Contracts not done in full voluntary agreement by 2 parties, with hidden clauses, are void almost everywhere.

Getting people to sign unwanted clauses because of ignorance is so 1800's.

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It seems to be a funny joke but nothing more. This guy probably just changed rates of the existing bank products, which would probably make the contract not valid because that bank does not provide those services. In other words if I want to buy a car and attempt to cheat and change the parameters of some shitty Renault then it doesn't mean that the factory have to produce a renault with an engine from a space shuttle.
Also we see that it is Russia and everything is possible there. Bank can easily sue him for fraud or something like that.
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The most problem we have in the traditional financial system is the centralized mode of operations which allow for third party involvement.

I didn't hear all that many people complain about intermediaries before Bitcoin existed.

I think the main aspect is that Bitcoin and the rest of crypto has forced financial institutions to offer a fairer service, and have more eye for their clients, which I have definitely seen take place. I don't think it's coincidence that my bank got so much more friendly and cheaper with their services after Bitcoin's invention.

Banks had free game, and now they have a robust competitor in the industry, and this competitor forces them to improve and offer better services at lower cost.
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The blockchain smart contract took care of this long ago what the breach of trust with credit card which have result to this law suit can not happen in bitcoin and on the blockchain because there is no third party contract signing of documents in financial transactions done on the blockchain. The most problem we have in the traditional financial system is the centralized mode of operations which allow for third party involvement.
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Might be, blockchain technology can lessen such event since transactions thru the blockchain tech is not bound and written by parties who are doing transactions. This might be one of the reasons why satoshi created bitcoin for users to avoid other centralized financial institution from sucking the money out and out snarting their users.
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When Dmitry Argarkov was sent a letter offering him a credit card, he found the rates not to his liking.

But he didn't throw the contract away or shred it. Instead, the 42-year-old from Voronezh, Russia, scanned it into his computer, altered the terms and sent it back to Tinkoff Credit Systems.

Mr Argarkov's version of the contract contained a 0pc interest rate, no fees and no credit limit. Every time the bank failed to comply with the rules, he would fine them 3m rubles (£58,716). If Tinkoff tried to cancel the contract, it would have to pay him 6m rubles.

Tinkoff apparently failed to read the amendments, signed the contract and sent Mr Argakov a credit card.

"The Bank confirmed its agreement to the client's terms and sent him a credit card and a copy of the approved application form," his lawyer Dmitry Mikhalevich told Kommersant. "The opened credit line was unlimited. He could afford to buy an island somewhere in Malaysia, and the bank would have to pay for it by law."

However, Tinkoff attempted to close the account due to overdue payments. It sued Mr Argakov for 45,000 rubles for fees and charges that were not in his altered version of the contract.

Earlier this week a Russian judge ruled in Mr Argakov's favour. Tinkoff had signed the contract and was legally bound to it. Mr Argakov was only ordered to pay an outstanding balance of 19,000 rubles (£371).

"They signed the documents without looking. They said what usually their borrowers say in court: 'We have not read it',” said Mr Mikhalevich.

But now Mr Argakov has taken matters one step further. He is suing Tinkoff for 24m rubles for not honouring the contract and breaking the agreement.

Tinkoff has launched its own legal action, accusing Mr Argakov of fraud.

Oleg Tinkov, founder of the bank, tweeted: "Our lawyers think he is going to get not 24m, but really 4 years in prison for fraud. Now it's a matter of principle for @tcsbanktwitter."

The court will review Mr Argakov's case next month.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/borrowing/creditcards/10231556/Man-who-created-own-credit-card-sues-bank-for-not-sticking-to-terms.html

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This news story could illustrate one advantage crypto currencies have over conventional banking and credit platforms in terms of them being less trust based. Smart contracts in crypto would likely be deliberately designed to prevent this form of exploit. While credit card companies as trust based systems would more commonly fail to recognize the attack vector.

Every so often I see stories in the news where a bank and consumer get into a legal dispute and the bank loses in impressive fashion. Years ago there was a guy who wore fake vampire teeth in news interview that sued wells fargo and won(news clip below):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oIxBVhGubI

Perhaps we will see less of this occurrence as financial institutions like banks make a transition to more algorithmically regulated banking which relies less on trust. Until then, I hope everyone enjoys humor and entertainment from this, while it lasts.
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