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Quote from: Girlsbit on June 26, 2018, 08:53:54 AM

The economic market can not live without various manipulations. They do this to check the currency, see its potential.

I disagree with you, manipulation usually being done by whale trader in order to gain some profit from uptrend or downtrend period.
Almost every trading activity may being manipulate but crypto trading , IMO is the easier because as we know bitcoin value depend on supply & demand !

Even on forex trading ventures market manipulation is always been present as long there are people or groups that had the power to move prices they can always involve themselves into things that do really involves money.
Supply and demand is always been there and wont really be absent when it comes to trading- its all about sellers and buyers- there are big investors and there are small ones which its normal to compare or think that who do have always the advantage.

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Without any kind of fundamental analysis there is no doubt that this market could easily be manipulated. Most of the available cryptocurrencies out there don't have any kind of value within therefore only making the demand as its main determinant of value. With only news and price charts our tools are not enought to make the weak hands believe in their own investments. Without enough trust in the market they are often becoming part of the FUD.

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Quote from: Girlsbit on June 26, 2018, 08:53:54 AM

The economic market can not live without various manipulations. They do this to check the currency, see its potential.

I disagree with you, manipulation usually being done by whale trader in order to gain some profit from uptrend or downtrend period.
Almost every trading activity may being manipulate but crypto trading , IMO is the easier because as we know bitcoin value depend on supply & demand !

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Quote from: HeRetiK on June 19, 2018, 06:00:48 AM

It's almost as if regulations are worth next to nothing if the largest offenders are not meaningfully held accountable Roll Eyes

Still I'd argue that pointing fingers at the traditional markets won't help anyone. Crypto needs to be better than that, but I'm afraid that market manipulation is hard to mitigate.

I guess the reason for the recent focus on market manipulation within crypto is that people are looking for an explanation for its price increase. Since prescribing value to something virtual is rather counter-intuitive for most people, market manipulation is an easy cop-out explanation. (that is not to say that market manipulation isn't taking place. I just doubt that its the only reason for the recent rise of crypto.)

if you are an account user you should be familiar with this matter about data manipulation that can be done in the market by big investors.

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The economic market can not live without various manipulations. They do this to check the currency, see its potential.

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Market manipulation is something that really harms the healthy nature of the crypto market. It forms part of the factors that largely contribute to pump/dump in massive amounts.

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Quote from: Panna1981 on June 19, 2018, 02:13:50 AM

The Bitcoin market is often accused of being a manipulated market. Main stream media and Wall Street wolves like Warren Buffet don't leave a chance to emphasize this aspect. While I think they are (partially) right, the old school financial market is not much better. And this aspect is not mentioned very often, this is why I would like to share this article of Cryptobriefing: https://cryptobriefing.com/amp/world-not-shocked-as-jpmorgan-fined-65-million/?__twitter_impression=true

Well, it is true that there is really a price manipulating but not only in crypto currencies market but manipulating is always present in every business markets in which this is natural and part of their strategies of the bigtime investors so that they could gain more therefore we should be use to it but find a way on how we could ride with them and earn too.

To copy the tactics of the whales you need to know their accounts but it's impossible. Also you do not know the plans of the whales. At some point they start selling coins at the lowest prices. Can you determine the moment they start buying coins? No, impossible. Whales will always be ahead of you.

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Quote from: Panna1981 on June 19, 2018, 02:13:50 AM

The Bitcoin market is often accused of being a manipulated market. Main stream media and Wall Street wolves like Warren Buffet don't leave a chance to emphasize this aspect. While I think they are (partially) right, the old school financial market is not much better. And this aspect is not mentioned very often, this is why I would like to share this article of Cryptobriefing: https://cryptobriefing.com/amp/world-not-shocked-as-jpmorgan-fined-65-million/?__twitter_impression=true

Well, it is true that there is really a price manipulating but not only in crypto currencies market but manipulating is always present in every business markets in which this is natural and part of their strategies of the bigtime investors so that they could gain more therefore we should be use to it but find a way on how we could ride with them and earn too.

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Quote from: Panna1981 on June 19, 2018, 02:13:50 AM

The Bitcoin market is often accused of being a manipulated market. Main stream media and Wall Street wolves like Warren Buffet don't leave a chance to emphasize this aspect. While I think they are (partially) right, the old school financial market is not much better. And this aspect is not mentioned very often, this is why I would like to share this article of Cryptobriefing: https://cryptobriefing.com/amp/world-not-shocked-as-jpmorgan-fined-65-million/?__twitter_impression=true

one of the shortcomings of the digital currency from some other shortcomings is that the market can be manipulated by big investors because prices depend on volality so they can set their own price.

I don't know what are you talking about mate, there is a possibility that the big investors can make manipulation in the market or those big politicians that want to manipulate price and keep spreading FUD news to discourage small investors and do the panic selling. Probably that happened many rich people can play the price the bitcoin in the market.
Lucky for us that we know everything here regarding bitcoin price manipulation we don't act panic selling because we are already aware.

For those who are aware and do have experience on how this market moves then i would say we do have the advantage but not totally exempted on possible loss. We are still at risk yet we dont know on when those manipulations can happen. Hard to detect since we arent part of whales unless if you do have insider info then its possible but most of the time we dont have those kind of informations which we are still considered the same for those people who are investing to the market.

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Quote from: Tigorss on June 25, 2018, 11:43:52 AM

Quote from: Panna1981 on June 19, 2018, 02:13:50 AM

The Bitcoin market is often accused of being a manipulated market. Main stream media and Wall Street wolves like Warren Buffet don't leave a chance to emphasize this aspect. While I think they are (partially) right, the old school financial market is not much better. And this aspect is not mentioned very often, this is why I would like to share this article of Cryptobriefing: https://cryptobriefing.com/amp/world-not-shocked-as-jpmorgan-fined-65-million/?__twitter_impression=true

one of the shortcomings of the digital currency from some other shortcomings is that the market can be manipulated by big investors because prices depend on volality so they can set their own price.

I don't know what are you talking about mate, there is a possibility that the big investors can make manipulation in the market or those big politicians that want to manipulate price and keep spreading FUD news to discourage small investors and do the panic selling. Probably that happened many rich people can play the price the bitcoin in the market.
Lucky for us that we know everything here regarding bitcoin price manipulation we don't act panic selling because we are already aware.

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Quote from: Panna1981 on June 19, 2018, 02:13:50 AM

The Bitcoin market is often accused of being a manipulated market. Main stream media and Wall Street wolves like Warren Buffet don't leave a chance to emphasize this aspect. While I think they are (partially) right, the old school financial market is not much better. And this aspect is not mentioned very often, this is why I would like to share this article of Cryptobriefing: https://cryptobriefing.com/amp/world-not-shocked-as-jpmorgan-fined-65-million/?__twitter_impression=true

one of the shortcomings of the digital currency from some other shortcomings is that the market can be manipulated by big investors because prices depend on volality so they can set their own price.

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Quote from: Baoo on June 24, 2018, 12:27:24 PM

Well, it is normal that when there are some capitalists or whales (who have the biggest amount of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies in the market) then there is the manipulation, everyone wants to achieve his/her goal and unfortunately, the money is the weak point of many people. Furthermore, despite that this big crisis lasted for a long time, but I think that this bad manipulation and bad developments is temporary and it will last for some period and regrettably, we do not know when there will be a good evolution of the market, but we can give some prediction which can be true or not. So we must believe in Bitcoin and the cryptourrencies in general, and hope there will a good surprise soon.

You can believe whatever you want. Many people believe in God but that doesn't mean they have a chance to meet him. In order for the situation in the cryptocurrency market to change one of your faith is not enough. There must be certain conditions, but I see no preconditions for that. Probably the fall in prices will continue.

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Well, it is normal that when there are some capitalists or whales (who have the biggest amount of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies in the market) then there is the manipulation, everyone wants to achieve his/her goal and unfortunately, the money is the weak point of many people. Furthermore, despite that this big crisis lasted for a long time, but I think that this bad manipulation and bad developments is temporary and it will last for some period and regrettably, we do not know when there will be a good evolution of the market, but we can give some prediction which can be true or not. So we must believe in Bitcoin and the cryptourrencies in general, and hope there will a good surprise soon.

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Quote from: Oasisman on June 22, 2018, 05:51:51 PM

This cant be denied that manipulation exist for a long time in all kind of investment platform. What can you expect from the people who can do everything, because of the most powerful possession that a person must have? "money".
This penalty is just a piece of cake compared to what these people earned from manipulating the market, say what, like ten or 20 folds? And that kind of news is just a show off for the people to believe that the government was doing something about this fraudulent activities.

Many governments are part of this system. Corrupt politicians are funded by the rich. Do you think they are ready to fight the "hand" that feeds them? The Fiat financial system has lost its economic Foundation and exists to keep the world as it is. The emergence of cryptocurrencies is a revolution. Whales are part of the embedded large capital agents in the bitcoin community. Who will fight them?

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This cant be denied that manipulation exist for a long time in all kind of investment platform. What can you expect from the people who can do everything, because of the most powerful possession that a person must have? "money".
This penalty is just a piece of cake compared to what these people earned from manipulating the market, say what, like ten or 20 folds? And that kind of news is just a show off for the people to believe that the government was doing something about this fraudulent activities.

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Quote from: dunfida on June 22, 2018, 03:52:49 PM

For us retail traders or investors we cant do nothing but to bare with it since we dont have the capacity to fight of the trend or such decisions thats why we do mind up on utilizing that movement to make profits somehow.

It's not as bad as it looks. As much as the manipulators can benefit from what they do, we can follow their patterns closely and benefit as well. Most people with common sense cashed out profits during the rally and have bought back way lower. The only people without that advantage due to the moment they entered the crypto space are newbies, but then again, who on earth buys something that has gone up 15-20 times within 12 months? It's just retarded, especially so if they actually thought the price would keep pumping way beyond the levels they bought at. In this case it's not the manipulation that should be blamed....

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Quote from: Panna1981 on June 19, 2018, 02:13:50 AM

The Bitcoin market is often accused of being a manipulated market. Main stream media and Wall Street wolves like Warren Buffet don't leave a chance to emphasize this aspect. While I think they are (partially) right, the old school financial market is not much better. And this aspect is not mentioned very often, this is why I would like to share this article of Cryptobriefing: https://cryptobriefing.com/amp/world-not-shocked-as-jpmorgan-fined-65-million/?__twitter_impression=true

But yes, if you look at the market, when bitcoin growth rate goes up, all other altcoins rate goes up likewise the same , when the bitcoin value goes down, all other altcoins' value goes down. So its inter related. Fluctuations are common with all altcoins. Demand to coins make difference in values. Investors bring difference in values. All these things manipulate the market.

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Quote from: darkangel11 on June 22, 2018, 01:38:23 PM

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Quote from: marielbeckham on June 19, 2018, 07:56:34 PM

Don't you find it to be a bit shocking?

The manipulation news isn't shocking to most traders. It comes as a FUD and sometimes, it looks as if it is going to pull the market down but whatever happens with it, the market will still regain its strength.

FUD is just one way of manipulating the market. There are many more.
You can hack an exchange, pay off some politicians to ban cryptos, or pay off the police to raid crypto exchanges or search homes of traders. And let's not forget about the most common one: get fiat money to an exchange, publish fake research that seems to point at tether manipulation, wait for a dump, buy cheap coins.

Its always been part of reality to have these kind of possibilities and this doesnt only exist on crypto but this is already happening long time with traditional forex and stocks market and now as long there are elites or those people who are on the top of the chain then its not surprising manipulation would always possible to take place. For us retail traders or investors we cant do nothing but to bare with it since we dont have the capacity to fight of the trend or such decisions thats why we do mind up on utilizing that movement to make profits somehow.

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Quote from: gantez on June 22, 2018, 06:00:55 AM

Quote from: marielbeckham on June 19, 2018, 07:56:34 PM

Don't you find it to be a bit shocking?

The manipulation news isn't shocking to most traders. It comes as a FUD and sometimes, it looks as if it is going to pull the market down but whatever happens with it, the market will still regain its strength.

FUD is just one way of manipulating the market. There are many more.
You can hack an exchange, pay off some politicians to ban cryptos, or pay off the police to raid crypto exchanges or search homes of traders. And let's not forget about the most common one: get fiat money to an exchange, publish fake research that seems to point at tether manipulation, wait for a dump, buy cheap coins.

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The one who able manipulate, IMO are they who played crypto ealier !
As I know bitcoin value depend on supply and demand so it's more easier for being manipulate rather than stock value ,right ?

Quote from: gantez on June 22, 2018, 06:00:55 AM

Quote from: marielbeckham on June 19, 2018, 07:56:34 PM

Don't you find it to be a bit shocking?

The manipulation news isn't shocking to most traders. It comes as a FUD and sometimes, it looks as if it is going to pull the market down but whatever happens with it, the market will still regain its strength.

As for now, BitHumb exchange and other exchange often get hacked recently , that's really destroy bitcoin's popularity !

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