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Quote from: bots1 on February 04, 2022, 09:49:08 AM

I think, the decline in bitcoin prices this time is due to following the Wall Street stock market, where bitcoin prices have weakened to %7 the last few weeks so most investors are letting go of their assets. But rest assured that the bull market will return soon and the bitcoin price will soar until it prints a new ATH.

About a new ATH, I think we will not going to see that this year, but we have some good news since bitcoin has pumped 11% today so far.
The market is looking great again - https://coinmarketcap.com/

I'm not sure if this is the start of a new bullish run, but if this would be able to continue and break the wall, then we might see a new ATH early this year, however, as I said, we are not going to see it this year so it's unlikely to happen.

Let's enjoy the sudden pump as it might not last long too.

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I think, the decline in bitcoin prices this time is due to following the Wall Street stock market, where bitcoin prices have weakened to %7 the last few weeks so most investors are letting go of their assets. But rest assured that the bull market will return soon and the bitcoin price will soar until it prints a new ATH.

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Quote from: Kemarit on February 03, 2022, 11:25:09 PM

And a classic example that the financial markets globally are somewhat connected and has correlated on each other, including crypto. So if traditional market is on a negative sentiments, for sure crypto market for most part as going to be on the bear market. We will see, I think the second quarter will be a good hedge as to where the market will going to be, but for the first quarter, I would say that we might be in for a long bear and could see the price going still doing down a bit, maybe <$30,000 short term.

There are always some crossovers but I wouldn't go as far as claiming correlations, specially when it comes to bitcoin because we have been proven many times in the past that bitcoin market is completely independent of any other markets even if people panic in short term and behave in the same direction for a short time. The best example is the COVID19 global market crash where bitcoiners panicked too but soon the market reversed and set a new ATH while the global market continued crashing for another year.

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Its a continual loop to irritate you or perhaps just a reflection of every day the earth turns and each trading sphere is roughly 4 hours in its dominance before the baton is passed to the next big city set of traders to decide the price and local supply and demand. I dont believe the whole world is trading equally all at once, its something of a tug of war back and forth.
There are trends which last but they are surely tested before enduring.

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Quote from: StreakW on February 03, 2022, 02:00:01 PM

I think, the weakening of bitcoin prices lately because investors and traders consider that global market sentiment still tends to be negative. Although market conditions have not been positive in the short term, I have the view that the bitcoin bullish phase will occur in the middle of this year and the bitcoin price will rise much higher than the current price.

And a classic example that the financial markets globally are somewhat connected and has correlated on each other, including crypto. So if traditional market is on a negative sentiments, for sure crypto market for most part as going to be on the bear market. We will see, I think the second quarter will be a good hedge as to where the market will going to be, but for the first quarter, I would say that we might be in for a long bear and could see the price going still doing down a bit, maybe <$30,000 short term.

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Quote from: Chato1977 on February 03, 2022, 12:23:51 AM

Quote from: jashbir67 on January 21, 2022, 01:58:13 AM

Things started looking good, giving a bit relief!!
But wait!!! Again sudden dip of $5000 in a few hours?? How can we explain it: Are bad actors manipulating it or it just the market sentiments towards downward making such huge pricefall?

never be bothered of the movement if you are in good coin invested , this will only occur when you are putting your funds in shitcoins or in drying currencies.

True, many are still playing in the shitcoin and meme market and lose money. They should be banking on bitcoin right now for the long term because the price is so cheap.

Quote from: Chato1977 on February 03, 2022, 12:23:51 AM

Manipulation are also part of those shitcoins because those are the currencies that can be easily manipulated .

Manipulation is very evident, can you imagine a 1000% growth in a 24 hour time span. That's clearly some manipulation from behind.

As compare to bitcoin, yeah it is very volatile, but at least there's no such thing as a massive growth unless we are in a bull run wherein no one can stop it's spike but it will not grow like those meme coins in a day.

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I think, the weakening of bitcoin prices lately because investors and traders consider that global market sentiment still tends to be negative. Although market conditions have not been positive in the short term, I have the view that the bitcoin bullish phase will occur in the middle of this year and the bitcoin price will rise much higher than the current price.

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Quote from: jashbir67 on January 21, 2022, 01:58:13 AM

Things started looking good, giving a bit relief!!
But wait!!! Again sudden dip of $5000 in a few hours?? How can we explain it: Are bad actors manipulating it or it just the market sentiments towards downward making such huge pricefall?

never be bothered of the movement if you are in good coin invested , this will only occur when you are putting your funds in shitcoins or in drying currencies.

Manipulation are also part of those shitcoins because those are the currencies that can be easily manipulated .

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Quote from: ibuddy122505 on January 28, 2022, 10:11:49 AM

Quote from: Dave1 on January 28, 2022, 09:12:54 AM

Corrections will always be here though, even in the bull market last year there was a lot of corrections along the way. And if we are really in a bearish trend, then most likely we will see more of this downward spiral and then bounce back.

So for those weak hands that sold, maybe they can get back in the market if the price goes down again. That is if they are smart enough to take advantage of every dip.

Those words are very relatable for me. It's like this for me right now, every time I buy something, it gets worse. While I understand the solution is to keep buying, how can I do it when I have a small balance? Even though I'm in poor condition, such a post motivated me to keep buying, but I'm literally out of money this time around. Would you suggest selling everything, getting some cash, and proving myself smart enough to take advantage of every dip?

I'm not a financial adviser, but if you have limited funds and have used it already then no need to buy more. Just buy if you have the money and don't force and make things complicated for you.

I mean if you buy like $40k, then just hold on those bitcoins and not sell (obviously you are at a loss if you sold today). And look at the future, in the next bull run your bitcoin is going to be worth more, just saying.

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This is a classic misconception that many newbies have, they expect the markets to always be in a bullish state and this is simply not possible, after all in order for the price of bitcoin to go up money is needed for this, and even if the world is now inundated by fiat money as governments have printed a lot of it during the last two years that money is not infinite.

As such there are limits to the speed and magnitude of any upward movement that we witness in this market, so the longer and the higher the bull market goes the the chances of seeing a bear market increases, and we need to be prepared when that happens or a great deal of what we got during that bull run will evaporate in a relatively short amount of time if we are not careful.

Unfortunately they are usually the people who came from the bubble during the peak times. They see everything going up all the time and then they think that they could keep making money like that. We all know that bull runs eventually end, and then they see bear run and they get scared and think that it is all over and they run away.

The reality is that bear runs are usually over as well, and that means we are going to see bull runs, and then we are going to see bear runs and that will be a cycle. So the newbies who see the bull run turn to bear, usually do not stay long enough to see bear run turn into bull, they just come in right at the middle of a bull run and do make some money but do not see that change.

Correct, the markets run on cycles, and this is something that can be easily be seen on the charts, however it is different to see something on a chart and a completely different thing to actually experiment those movements by ourselves.

This is why newbies fail at holding their coins even if they have the intention to hold their coins from the beginning, they see the movements of bitcoin on the charts and think that in the case of a bear market they will be able to hold their coins, but once they begin to lose money that is when doubts begin to take over them and then when the market suffers an important correction that is more than enough for them to sell their coins and most likely to never return to the market.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 30, 2022, 10:32:05 PM

I have seen plenty of people who are wrong, but someone this wrong? I have never seen someone this wrong before. Subprime mortgages? So, investing into crypto is similar to investing into a layered and shitty mortgage loans filled asset?

Bankers saw mortgages as something solid and everyone always pays and gathered all the bad default rated loans together and bought them in thousands together in a single paper and now they are saying that crypto is similar? How?? This guy is an idiot, there is absolutely no resemblance at all, just because bitcoin went up so much and at a high price right now (even after the fall) doesn't mean that it resembles every single bubble in the history.

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Quote from: gantez on January 31, 2022, 09:23:15 AM

Quote from: asrinur on January 31, 2022, 08:28:06 AM

Therefore, I think that the current price action is likely to continue in the next few weeks, and the current trend of falling bitcoin prices is possible again.

I am thinking that the possibility is getting to reduce because now the January is ending and the festival is going down giving way for business investment to starting up again. If February is running to middle maybe the direction can back for bull again.

We can't use January, February and other months as a reference for good or bad the market, the volatile movement of bitcoin can't be determined only by that, because many factors affect bitcoin bulls or bears in the market such as negative and positive sentiment, supply and demand and so on, so I think according to the bear and bull market at any time it can happen every year and we must be able to anticipate it well.
I think it will be very easy to predict the price of bitcoin in the market if it only depends on the month, of course people will race to buy bitcoin in December or January, because as you said January is a phase of the market worsening, and they are just waiting for February for the market to recover because any festivals?
Of course it's not easy as that to predict the bitcoin market

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Quote from: gantez on January 31, 2022, 09:23:15 AM

Quote from: asrinur on January 31, 2022, 08:28:06 AM

Therefore, I think that the current price action is likely to continue in the next few weeks, and the current trend of falling bitcoin prices is possible again.

I am thinking that the possibility is getting to reduce because now the January is ending and the festival is going down giving way for business investment to starting up again. If February is running to middle maybe the direction can back for bull again.

January might be ending but February is yet to come and you forget that there another new year happening on that month but its mostly for Chinese, it is called Chinese new year.

I think events like new years are threatening to the price because people spend their budget the most and huge companies are celebrating and can give bonuses to their workers but as soon as its over, we are going to get a relief again. Just hang on guys and do not forget the golden rule of buy low-sell high. Now is still a perfect time to buy and accumulate since prices are still down but if you can wait till February then no problem with that as well.

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Quote from: asrinur on January 31, 2022, 08:28:06 AM

Therefore, I think that the current price action is likely to continue in the next few weeks, and the current trend of falling bitcoin prices is possible again.

I am thinking that the possibility is getting to reduce because now the January is ending and the festival is going down giving way for business investment to starting up again. If February is running to middle maybe the direction can back for bull again.

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I think, The decline in the price of Bitcoin to date is a continuation of the trend that has occurred since the end of last year. The bitcoin market sentiment has recently been boosted by a series of negative news that sent the bitcoin price plummeting. Therefore, I think that the current price action is likely to continue in the next few weeks, and the current trend of falling bitcoin prices is possible again.

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Quote from: btc_angela on January 30, 2022, 11:55:41 AM

Quote from: Jating on January 30, 2022, 11:51:13 AM

Anyhow, it's done already, and maybe we as small investors have small impact, but I think we are still part of the market and I would say has a vital role to keep the price afloat after the whales are playing the market.

I think retail investors are very important in the market. So it's a 50/50 with the whales, maybe they are the movers of the market, but retail too has so much bargaining power, ie. buy and sell and as you have said, to somewhat balance and keep the market afloat enough for the day to survived.

So it's going to be a love and hate relationship for us, the whales maybe controlling the market and we hate that, but we can also balance it out in the long run here by buying in the dip and continue to saye more BTC.

That's should happen in the long run, we cannot afford to still be in the manipulated market because crypto will not grow. As the rate of adoption increase not only because of the retail investors but most importantly the people, the power of the whales will also decrease and with that, it will result to less volatility which will make bitcoin an ideal digital currency.

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@btc_angela. I reckon in this type of market where much of the retail investors have no more or less money because they have lost it or they have already withdrawn their profit, this is where market makers have complete control. If they want a liquidity cascade, it will certainly occur. This cascade will also cause marginal sellers to dump and this will decide how low bitcoin’s price will be.

I speculate the marginal sellers of 2022 will be the institutional investors who thought they can hold their bitcoin investments through this next bear market. I predict they will not because their losses in their investments in stocks and bonds will force them to sell first the most unimportant assets in their portfolios. This will be bitcoin and other cryptocoins.

Also, there will be more news similar to this during the bear market.

Paul Krugman Says Bitcoin Resembles Subprime Mortgages.

For those who weren't paying attention during—or were too young to remember—the 2008 financial crisis, subprime mortgages helped kick everything off. In a nutshell, lenders gave complicated loans to people who couldn't afford to pay them over the long term. Most of these mortgages had low initial interest rates that ballooned over time, the rationale being that homeowners could refinance with better terms when they had more equity. After all, home prices only ever went up, right?

But home prices stopped going up and many American homeowners defaulted on their loans. Compounding matters was the fact that Wall Street had turned these subprime mortgages into investment vehicles, and seemingly everyone had exposure to them. The dominos began to fall on the U.S. and global economy.

While Krugman contends that crypto markets aren't large enough to cause a global crisis, he does think the same groups of people targeted by lenders in the leadup to 2008 are being preyed upon today.

Source https://decrypt.co/91496/paul-krugman-says-bitcoin-resembles-subprime-mortgages-is-he-right

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Quote from: Jating on January 30, 2022, 11:51:13 AM

Anyhow, it's done already, and maybe we as small investors have small impact, but I think we are still part of the market and I would say has a vital role to keep the price afloat after the whales are playing the market.

I think retail investors are very important in the market. So it's a 50/50 with the whales, maybe they are the movers of the market, but retail too has so much bargaining power, ie. buy and sell and as you have said, to somewhat balance and keep the market afloat enough for the day to survived.

So it's going to be a love and hate relationship for us, the whales maybe controlling the market and we hate that, but we can also balance it out in the long run here by buying in the dip and continue to saye more BTC.

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Quote from: uneng on January 28, 2022, 12:59:28 PM

Big sums of money leaving crypto market in one shot (whales cashing out) are responsible for that. Sentiments come only later, when every investors else realize what happened, so they become pessimistic about the currently market conditions, what can lead to further corrections in bitcoin's price, and consequently in altcoins' prices as well due to panic selling.
Anyway small investors (most of us) don't have a big impact in bitcoin price: positively or negatively, it doesn't matter. Bitcoin drives crypto market and whales drive bitcoin price...

Yeah, but it was like in stages though, the drop was not sudden for me, it seems that they have time the market when to sell. So when everyone spoke about a $100k price in December, it went north and take a downward spiral

Anyhow, it's done already, and maybe we as small investors have small impact, but I think we are still part of the market and I would say has a vital role to keep the price afloat after the whales are playing the market.

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Quote from: jashbir67 on January 21, 2022, 01:58:13 AM

Things started looking good, giving a bit relief!!
But wait!!! Again sudden dip of $5000 in a few hours?? How can we explain it: Are bad actors manipulating it or it just the market sentiments towards downward making such huge pricefall?

You just have to accept the fact that BTC is a roller coaster ride no matter if it goes up or down. There’s no way you can predict the price perfectly as it doesn’t have any promises or guaranteed astronomical returns. There are many reasons and factors whether if it’s pumping, dumping, consolidating, etc.

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