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Quote from: sloppy feeling on August 08, 2018, 09:12:57 AM

Hi guys is there anyone knowing anything about Martingale strategy? I'm new on it and i'd like to start to use it in online roulettes. Do u think that it worth trying using it if my budget is roughly 2k£? I found this guide https://casino.guru/roulette-scam-strategies and they say it's better not to use it; but i have friends who won real money thanks to that.
Can anyone giving me any further info about? Thanks very much

Roulette is basically same as a dice but you need to calculate the odds yourself and you'll get them in fractions.
Red and black and Odd and evens are 50-50, not exactly as there's a green house edge. The house edge differs as smaller wheels have larger house edge while large wheels have smaller(for same number of greens). The groups, rows and choices offers smaller probability and you can combine them to get your own custom number.

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Quote from: Barbut on December 01, 2018, 02:34:58 AM

If you open dice site, roulette, or any other lucky based game, and for example you bet just on odd numbers its some kind of strategy. You can bet two times on red, one on black, two times over 51 one time under 49, there are many strategies in luck based games. Luck based games are just patterns, to win you need to use right pattern in the right time, everything can be worked out to be strategy, and my experience tells me that you need to be flexible and to change the way you play as much as you can, that gives us more chance to win.

You know, roulette usually have the worst edge because dice offers 1% edge but in case of roulette its much higher. You have numbers from 0 to 36 and they are mixed as red and black mostly. But, the number 0 is the house edge, you cannot bet on it in most roulette games and the edge becomes around 3% because of that.

I tell you something here, the roulette games that are not provably fair are sometimes rigged, I remember playing somewhere where the green number 0 would come almost every 15 rolls while it is supposed to arrive much lesser. So, martingale on roulette is not the smartest strategy.

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Mods should probably lock this thread as there are enough martingale topics already

Quote from: swogerino on December 04, 2018, 06:34:20 AM

Martingale online is the worst anyone can do. Trust me at this point as an IT professional I know online games are computer controlled and will never be the same in real life. In real life probablility that you throw your dice on red 100 times is less than 0 which means impossible to fall 100 times on red. On a computer it can happen, this is a simple difference because computers are 0 and ones and depending how you program the software they can even roll 1000 times on red, in theory speaking of course

Isn't it the same with land-based casinos?

Personally, I don't see a lot of difference between online and "offline" casinos, at least as long as bets are not rigged (in either). I mean land-based casinos are as "digital" (in terms of outcomes, like odd or even, black or red, etc) as online ones. If you refer to bet outcomes and their randomness, then I would likely agree with you. However, if an online casino uses a hardware random number generator based on some physical process, there should be no particular difference in this regard, i.e. how random the outcomes are (if that was your point)

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I think any discussion on Martingale is worthless nowadays, this doesn't work, point

Was it not worthless "back then"?

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Quote from: shoreno on November 30, 2019, 02:39:09 AM

are you simply promoting your site ? but dont worry because your site is still helpful since it was only a strategy or guides to help gamblers play better . it was a good idea to apply martingale method on roullets because before i think martingale was only applicable on dice game's but why not on roullete right ? dice and roullete were still close to each other because both games are somehow luck dependent . you just need to prepare a big balance because martingale is risky on low bankrolls .

You've just bumped an old thread which its last reply was 9 months ago.You should know how to read up dates before necrobumping a thread.
Havent you aware that OP is long time offline or gone?Yes, its clear that hes just promoting something but its bad to discussed and bumped this old thread since
majority on here does know that money making or guaranteed profit strategies doesnt exist on real life.

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Quote from: swogerino on December 04, 2018, 02:42:32 AM

Martingale doesn't work anymore and even when it did work it required you to spend a lot of money for small micro profit, this was happening a few years ago in different casinos when betting limits were not implemented at that time.

Some persons here I have seen referring it as a winning strategy but it is not, it will only lead to frustration and a big lost amount of money in a very short amount of time.

I see, because I believe today, the casinos particularly the online casinos are run by trusted computer systems which ensures fair but still favors the house. In this case, if we are to conduct a martingale, then we are like wasting our funds since there are no openings or holes of the platform that we could take advantage.

The chances of gaining from this kind of strategy is already been populated and for sure every house take their counter strategy to continue favoring their business. It's a complete waste of time and money better to play to enjoy than trying to break the house system and losses every single penny from your bankroll. Take it into account that house always have its edge, the very reason why there's a lots of business owners who keep opening new casinos.

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Quote from: swogerino on December 04, 2018, 02:42:32 AM

Martingale doesn't work anymore and even when it did work it required you to spend a lot of money for small micro profit, this was happening a few years ago in different casinos when betting limits were not implemented at that time.

Some persons here I have seen referring it as a winning strategy but it is not, it will only lead to frustration and a big lost amount of money in a very short amount of time.

When I was just starting out in my gambling I thought Martingale is a sure win strategy, but all the variations I've used only lead me to lose my funds, but it was fun, you sometimes hit the jackpot and sometimes do not, you are left guessing if the martingale variations you've picked will be the one to beat the house, sometimes it is, sometimes it's not but it's fun.

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Quote from: swogerino on December 04, 2018, 02:42:32 AM

Martingale doesn't work anymore and even when it did work it required you to spend a lot of money for small micro profit, this was happening a few years ago in different casinos when betting limits were not implemented at that time.

Some persons here I have seen referring it as a winning strategy but it is not, it will only lead to frustration and a big lost amount of money in a very short amount of time.

I see, because I believe today, the casinos particularly the online casinos are run by trusted computer systems which ensures fair but still favors the house. In this case, if we are to conduct a martingale, then we are like wasting our funds since there are no openings or holes of the platform that we could take advantage.

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I think Swog is giving you a good heads up there, computers are a simulation of factors that in aggregate will result in some provably fair results but the dynamics are not the same as real world spinning a roulette wheel which is very much physics and to some extent wear and tear of the equipment. Over time a roulette wheel will develop bias, every casino has to be careful on this point and the busy ones will sometimes allow factors to slip and some find will find easier betting there. All those things dont happen with computers, it'll always be perfect in its own way.

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Quote from: shoreno on November 30, 2019, 02:39:09 AM

are you simply promoting your site ? but dont worry because your site is still helpful since it was only a strategy or guides to help gamblers play better . it was a good idea to apply martingale method on roullets because before i think martingale was only applicable on dice game's but why not on roullete right ? dice and roullete were still close to each other because both games are somehow luck dependent . you just need to prepare a big balance because martingale is risky on low bankrolls .

Not really against the promotion but certainly there are no strategies in gambling world to win random games. Dice and roulette are the famous gambling games that totally depend on luck. With these games, no one can make a claim to hit a trick of winning. Not only luck, sometimes the house also manipulates outcomes as per its desires. Martingale does not work at all and is more of a recovery idea.

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are you simply promoting your site ? but dont worry because your site is still helpful since it was only a strategy or guides to help gamblers play better . it was a good idea to apply martingale method on roullets because before i think martingale was only applicable on dice game's but why not on roullete right ? dice and roullete were still close to each other because both games are somehow luck dependent . you just need to prepare a big balance because martingale is risky on low bankrolls .

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Sure martingale works okay but there are US online casinos that refuse payout if they discover any systemstic gameplay

Be careful with these systems even if they work in theory.

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We know that it doesn’t work much even if many gamblers still believe on this one. Actually, this is a great way to invite people but I think you can’t get anyone here on your link.

Any strategies on gambling will not work, because its a game of luck and its hard to say even martingale is not working too. Many tried this one and they lose money, so whatever strategies do you have it still not good if you don’t have control over it.

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Quote from: sloppy feeling on August 08, 2018, 09:12:57 AM

Hi guys is there anyone knowing anything about Martingale strategy? I'm new on it and i'd like to start to use it in online roulettes. Do u think that it worth trying using it if my budget is roughly 2k£? I found this guide https://casino.guru/roulette-scam-strategies and they say it's better not to use it; but i have friends who won real money thanks to that.
Can anyone giving me any further info about? Thanks very much

To give you my insight, I don't think that martingale works as a roulette strategy. I have also heard and read that there are many people that have made some money by following it when playing roulette but there are many obstacles to do it. First of all, there are 33,333% to win (correct me if I am mistaken). Also, casinos have min bets which are kinda high, thus you need a good many reserve to gamble in order to sustain some losses. This is the main reason that casinos have their min bets high, in order to discourage people to follow martingale.

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Martingale online is the worst anyone can do. Trust me at this point as an IT professional I know online games are computer controlled and will never be the same in real life. In real life probablility that you throw your dice on red 100 times is less than 0 which means impossible to fall 100 times on red. On a computer it can happen, this is a simple difference because computers are 0 and ones and depending how you program the software they can even roll 1000 times on red, in theory speaking of course.

I think any discussion on Martingale is worthless nowadays, this doesn't work, point.

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Whether you are changing sides or sticking to one particular side it doesn't matter. What matters is the win chance. For example, odds of losing 10 bets in a row at 49% win chance(2% house edge, as is in your example) are once every 840 bets, regardless of whether you are changing sides or not. The notion that you can improve your chances of success by changing sides is an illusion.

In real games it happens more often than 1 per 840 because the site doesn't calculate your odds at 50%, then wipe it, 50% wipe it and so on. It calculates the odds for all players who are rolling at the same time. If you were rolling alone you'd never get such long chains. You can try it with a coin if you don't believe me or with real dice. Pick a side of a coin and throw it 300 times, writing the wins and losses on a piece of paper. You will not get a chain of 10 wins or 10 losses at all. If you martingale in an online dice game you'll have a much different result.

Of course I agree with you regarding that it's never exactly 840 bets. You can hit the losing streak within the first 20 bets and, on the other hand, you can make thousands of rolls without hitting it. When the former happens, people usually start complaining that the site is rigged, and if the latter happens people make good profits and start thinking that martingale works perfectly for them. But I disagree that with a coin or with a real dice the situation would be different, because as long as it is based on math it must be the same. The thing is that it's pretty hard to check with a real coin or dice because for the experiment to be more or less legitimate we would have to make thousands and thousands of flips.

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Martingale doesn't work anymore and even when it did work it required you to spend a lot of money for small micro profit, this was happening a few years ago in different casinos when betting limits were not implemented at that time.

Some persons here I have seen referring it as a winning strategy but it is not, it will only lead to frustration and a big lost amount of money in a very short amount of time.

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Quote from: Betwrong on December 03, 2018, 06:04:16 AM

Whether you are changing sides or sticking to one particular side it doesn't matter. What matters is the win chance. For example, odds of losing 10 bets in a row at 49% win chance(2% house edge, as is in your example) are once every 840 bets, regardless of whether you are changing sides or not. The notion that you can improve your chances of success by changing sides is an illusion.

In real games it happens more often than 1 per 840 because the site doesn't calculate your odds at 50%, then wipe it, 50% wipe it and so on. It calculates the odds for all players who are rolling at the same time. If you were rolling alone you'd never get such long chains. You can try it with a coin if you don't believe me or with real dice. Pick a side of a coin and throw it 300 times, writing the wins and losses on a piece of paper. You will not get a chain of 10 wins or 10 losses at all. If you martingale in an online dice game you'll have a much different result.

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Zero is advantage for house, you can`t bet red or black, there is always a chance to be green. Martingale is strategy that you can use almost everywhere in anything, but it has one flaw, sooner or later you will run on losing streak, this strategy should be used from time to time, and to be combined with other strategies, using this strategy alone is a bad idea. Believe in my words my friends, after so many trying I have a lot of experience in that, good luck!

It's true that martingale is flexible and it will lead to loss on long run. But there's no thing such as "strategy" on luck-based games as most "strategy" i've seen just lower winrate/increase win multiplier or reduce bet multiplier on lose.

If you open dice site, roulette, or any other lucky based game, and for example you bet just on odd numbers its some kind of strategy. You can bet two times on red, one on black, two times over 51 one time under 49, there are many strategies in luck based games. Luck based games are just patterns, to win you need to use right pattern in the right time, everything can be worked out to be strategy, and my experience tells me that you need to be flexible and to change the way you play as much as you can, that gives us more chance to win.

Whether you are changing sides or sticking to one particular side it doesn't matter. What matters is the win chance. For example, odds of losing 10 bets in a row at 49% win chance(2% house edge, as is in your example) are once every 840 bets, regardless of whether you are changing sides or not. The notion that you can improve your chances of success by changing sides is an illusion.

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Quote from: Barbut on December 01, 2018, 02:34:58 AM

If you open dice site, roulette, or any other lucky based game, and for example you bet just on odd numbers its some kind of strategy. You can bet two times on red, one on black, two times over 51 one time under 49, there are many strategies in luck based games. Luck based games are just patterns, to win you need to use right pattern in the right time, everything can be worked out to be strategy, and my experience tells me that you need to be flexible and to change the way you play as much as you can, that gives us more chance to win.

You can adjust the percentage or chance of winning in your favor but the problem with adjusting the chances to your favor will also decrease the pot money. Those who has a lot of time do this and they will just around and hit roll and win. Maybe out of 10 bets in dice sites, you can win 8-9 times granting that you adjusted the chance of winning.

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Quote from: Barbut on November 27, 2018, 07:43:27 AM

Zero is advantage for house, you can`t bet red or black, there is always a chance to be green. Martingale is strategy that you can use almost everywhere in anything, but it has one flaw, sooner or later you will run on losing streak, this strategy should be used from time to time, and to be combined with other strategies, using this strategy alone is a bad idea. Believe in my words my friends, after so many trying I have a lot of experience in that, good luck!

It's true that martingale is flexible and it will lead to loss on long run. But there's no thing such as "strategy" on luck-based games as most "strategy" i've seen just lower winrate/increase win multiplier or reduce bet multiplier on lose.

If you open dice site, roulette, or any other lucky based game, and for example you bet just on odd numbers its some kind of strategy. You can bet two times on red, one on black, two times over 51 one time under 49, there are many strategies in luck based games. Luck based games are just patterns, to win you need to use right pattern in the right time, everything can be worked out to be strategy, and my experience tells me that you need to be flexible and to change the way you play as much as you can, that gives us more chance to win.

I cant deny with that pattern thing yet this is a usual stuff would be done when we do play these luck based games which we do adjust the settings which we do saw that would give out some effective
winnings.I dont believe that theres an exact pattern but somehow you can still possible have an edge as long you do know how to get out on some situation and secure profits then it would be an advantage.
Flexibility and control would be needed.

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Quote from: Barbut on November 27, 2018, 07:43:27 AM

Zero is advantage for house, you can`t bet red or black, there is always a chance to be green. Martingale is strategy that you can use almost everywhere in anything, but it has one flaw, sooner or later you will run on losing streak, this strategy should be used from time to time, and to be combined with other strategies, using this strategy alone is a bad idea. Believe in my words my friends, after so many trying I have a lot of experience in that, good luck!

It's true that martingale is flexible and it will lead to loss on long run. But there's no thing such as "strategy" on luck-based games as most "strategy" i've seen just lower winrate/increase win multiplier or reduce bet multiplier on lose.

If you open dice site, roulette, or any other lucky based game, and for example you bet just on odd numbers its some kind of strategy. You can bet two times on red, one on black, two times over 51 one time under 49, there are many strategies in luck based games. Luck based games are just patterns, to win you need to use right pattern in the right time, everything can be worked out to be strategy, and my experience tells me that you need to be flexible and to change the way you play as much as you can, that gives us more chance to win.

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