Topic: MasterCoin: New Protocol Layer Starting From “The Exodus Address” - page 50. (Read 448462 times)

Great posts - Vokain and Taariq.

 

Thanks Robby,

I emailed the Board and Ron directly. I also will be monitoring Skype over the next few hours to speak with Ron before I get some sleep on PST.

I will try to get a response and publish a follow-up here.

Your time and efforts on Mastercoin are not trivial and we need more developers not less.

Thanks,
Taariq

Hang on, please give us some time to collect our thoughts so we decide the best decisions together. I know I have been. Robby and Alex (killerstorm), I want to apologize for any seeming inattention or hesitation on our part. The exchange of ideas in truth it has been somewhat  one-sided as you guys reach out to us and we spend time mulling over it among the literal hundreds of other messages we get on the mailing lists in addition to it being a holiday week. Please please give us time, even if it is less than ideal to do so. We are reorganizing and reaffirming responsibilities with the newly hired professional help  as you guys have pointed out. An important point is that not all discussion of decision making is done here, for better or for worse... I hope that this won't be blown out of proportion in the mean time and I truly thank you all the time effort and concern the community has for this undertaking.

Mastercoin needs its community. This will work out. We're all learning here and being more receptive is at the top of the list. Every single one of you taking part in this, you're all vital.

PS: personally I'd like to see Robby as one of the lead developers if it's not too late. I will await Taariq's and Robby's discourse of course.

+1

I say so: rbdrbd should be a board member, and the board should be watching this thread and actively engaged in this discussion.

The fact that that question needs to be asked is indicative of the problem.

This project has quickly become hierarchical to a startling degree. Robby has been actively developing Mastercoin and contributing to policy discussions; he's a central member of the community. It is entirely unacceptable that the board (which was chosen without much community engagement) is unable to devote 20 minutes to reading Robby's proposal and responding either positively or negatively.

Also, does anyone else find it strange that the Mastercoin Executive Director is spending his time working on things like migrating to another forum software? One would usually expect a lower level employee to work on such things, and the fact that Ron has chosen to do this *to the exclusion of* reading the main Mastercoin thread, shows that he (a) lacks time management skills and (b) has trouble prioritizing tasks.

I would also go so far as to say that Ron, like JR, allows himself to get sidetracked by things that are simply not of immediate and essential importance. It's indeed probable that new forum software will be good for the project, but the question is whether it will help more *today* than engaging with the community. Unfortunately we currently lack the security to think about things otherwise.

I don't know how many times our management needs to prove its incompetency before we actively try to do something about it. I am reiterating my support for rbdrbd as a board member, and whoever agrees should explicitly say so.

Ron, I'd recommend reading the posts that precede yours. Robby has made a very serious proposal which the community is in support of.

+1 this if you agree. It's important that at least *someone* from the board sees it so he can notify the other board members, and if enough people show their agreement, we might actually get the board to engage.

Robby,

Give them some time please.

Somebody can reach the board?

Taariq,

I really appreciate the response, and thank you for showing interest. I understand that Ron and the board members are busy people, but for something as big as the future direction of Mastercoin development, I had honestly hoped that someone from the board would have reached out to me and given me 30 minutes of their time. So far this has not happened yet.

I wrote this proposal. I've spent about a week so far developing masterdaemon (and working with zathras to lend suggestions on enhancing his library). I've spent hours and hours commenting and trying to add value to the forum posts and plan for Mastercoin growth. I even volunteered to fly out to Las Vegas to meet Ron and David at the conference on my own dime. And I am a busy person as well, already working 50 hour weeks on growing my own business. I emailed [email protected] ...twice I believe. Ron's last reply totally ignored what I had written, along with the community feedback provided in support of it. No reply in the forums, no PM, nothing... not even anything to say "let's talk later, I'm exhausted". You have to understand the risk that I was willing to take on to see this project successful. However, based on this (lack of) response from the board, I can't say I'm very interested anymore at this point in time.

That being said, I will be stopping masterdaemon development until I see something that helps me regain my faith in this project's ability and interest in leading a professional development effort. Ron calling me would be a good start. He has my number. I'm sure he can find 10 minutes in his schedule.

Nonetheless, the current (largely written and largely not tested) masterdaemon code is at: https://github.com/rbdrbd/masterdaemon
The documentation is at: http://masterdaemon.readthedocs.org/en/latest/index.html

Someone can feel free to fork it and continue development (I will even do knowledge transfer). I really think Mastercoin needs this project to really build a basis of a solid ecosystem, for reasons I have outlined at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mastercoind-proposal-to-speed-development-please-read-vote-and-comment-344229. Hopefully the board sees this too, although I am not sure that's the case, to be honest.

You have to understand that I still do want this project to be successful very much, and I believe in the idea behind Mastercoin. However, at this point, my faith in the ability of the leadership to handle this task is lacking, although I would absolutely love to be proven wrong. I'm not upset, just disappointed.

Thank you again for reaching out. I will be monitoring developments and may become involved again at some point. Best of luck.

-Robby

The proposal is about engaging a company for a specified period to complete a specific task. Beyond that, there is no string attached. It's like the foundation sub contracting a specific dev task to a company. It is not like Ripple being "connected" to Opencoin.

I support Robby's proposal.

I don't have time to read anything above this point, and maybe never will, because we are working hard on migrating to another forum software.

Still, I wanted to share this:


My reply:

Thanks for caring and letting us know - we love you too!
I have no time to reply properly, but things are moving super quickly.
As usual, we don't have the time to properly communicate how fast things are going ... but trust me, they are.

• There is a strategic partnership that we are going to announce at Vegas.
• We just completed hiring our first 3 full timers AKA Role Based Bounties! Formal announcements to be made on our blog soon.
• I agree with your analysis of the project, and am routing around any problems as I detect them. Lack of focus is not a problem that I have regarding this project.
• Having said that, we desperately need a full time project manager. If the community is concerned, please help us find it. There is already a job posting out there on Trello for ages. The pay would be 72 K USD per year (remember, this is a startup ... the best startup in the world actually ... not Google. We pay low but it's still the best place to work at).

Now I really must get some sleep. Need. To. Shut. Down. Brain.

Googbye Exodus Thread, it's been fun!

As far as I'm concerned, J.R can just lock this thread soon, because Aric is moving us to another forum and I'm personally never checking this thread again. It's been fun bitcointalk, thanks for having us!

Brilliant. As a mastercoin owner from the exodus address myself, this read like exactly what we need, and something I was thinking about from earlier today. Run this like a company, there is certainly enough money in the fund, and paying a hefty chunk out to a real company that can get it working and thus make everyones mastercoin's more valuable is priceless.

+1

*pop*!

That was my head exploding trying to follow the last few pages of posts...

Jeeze people smoke a spliff already, this thread is turning into a circus. Oh wait, it's been a circus from day one, hell of a ride!

Agreed. +1

Agreed. +1 for serious consideration

I appreciate the positive feedback. Like I said, we build products and services for a living. Mastercoin is not magical. The same approaches used to successfully complete a project for a large financial or healthcare client, for instance, can be employed here. In the end, it's about having solid people, process and tools (in that order).