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legendary
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January 22, 2013, 07:38:55 PM
#52
I'm all prepared to forgive MNW but for it to happen he must bow before me or kneel before me and say the following:

" You Bbit are the ultimate troll and a much better troll then I am...."

If this deed is done I'll look the other way... Grin

...and it must be vocalized with an italic accent, otherwise--zip.

Thanks for the quote, evolve. It was easier found than I thought. I was assuming it was in some subsequent post within the bet thread.

Sorry, Matthew, but given that, I don't see the tag being removed any time soon, though I do see it gone even if 100% restitution is not achieved. Keep working the angles you're currently pursuing, and I'm sure by the beginning of 2014 this unfortunate episode will be behind us/you.

Now, about my irony post: http://betsofbitco.in/ Who's on it?
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January 22, 2013, 07:20:22 PM
#51
The conflict between these two statements should be readily apparent.

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... I am sorely reminded that the forum needs to be taught a lesson when it comes to crying wolf on things without evidence. It's getting sickening. "SCAM! SCAM! SCAM!".

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The original lesson was intended for people who threw trust at pirate and other "funds" so easily, hence the comical nature of a bet that size without escrow.

legendary
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January 22, 2013, 07:17:32 PM
#50
I'm all prepared to forgive MNW but for it to happen he must bow before me or kneel before me and say the following:

" You Bbit are the ultimate troll and a much better troll then I am...."

If this deed is done I'll look the other way... Grin
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daytrader/superhero
January 22, 2013, 07:08:22 PM
#49
Here ya go, Phin...the original bet post (scammer tag condition bolded in red):



Don't think pirate will payout as promised?
If you truly believe that Pirate is a scam/ponzi, then this is a no-brainer easy money for you.

Post in this thread how much you're committing and I will double that amount you commit (maximum of 10,000BTC in bets allowed in this thread total) if Pirate does not pay out in 3 weeks as he described in his thread.

To make your bets easier to read, please stick to the following format:
Code:
20BTC
13dSK4663Ts7j2PwHS1eUVjycKLBwx7PJM
Optional comment

The above post would be betting 20BTC that he in fact is not going to payout as described. If I lose the bet, you get 20BTC sent to that address. If you lose, you'll need to send 20BTC to my address.

Anyone (including myself) who renigs on their bets will be labeled a scammer on the forums. Theymos will retain the IP addresses of everyone who has committed here and as you are marked a scammer for not paying, you will also be reported to the bitcoin police and tracked. For this reason, it is important that you do not bet more than you can afford to lose. Considering the high probability of fraud from newbie sockpuppets, only established 250+ post users will be allowed to participate, unless they participate through an escrow who will hold their coins. This is up to them to find the escrow although many posters in this thread have agreed to act as such.

The minimum commitment is 0.1BTC. The maximum default bet for normal users is currently 1000BTC per person. If you would like to wager more, please PM so that I may do a more extensive verification of identity and holdings. Thanks.

Disclaimer: Although I think pirate is a high risk venture due to a complete lack of transparency on his part, I am sorely reminded that the forum needs to be taught a lesson when it comes to crying wolf on things without evidence. It's getting sickening. "SCAM! SCAM! SCAM!". So put your money where your mouth and bet for a better bitcoin forum/community overall.


For the record, the address to remit your funds to if you indeed lose is 13dSK4663Ts7j2PwHS1eUVjycKLBwx7PJM

Thank you and good luck!

I reserve the right to lock this thread and stop accepting additional bets at any time. All existing bets in the thread will still be honored regardless.
legendary
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January 22, 2013, 07:01:19 PM
#48
As someone who had an extremely large stake in Matthews bet, the whole thing was obviously bullshit from the start (and I was very vocal about the fact that I didn't think he would pay out a dime).  In fact, I cleared him of any responsibility to my debt in responce to a PM he sent me last week.

I mean, on a personal level, I dont really care for Matthew....I think he is an impulsive attention hog, but I think he is harmless for the most part. He deserves the scammer tag (as it was a condition of his bet) and general shaming from the community (which he has and will continue to recieve), but beyond that, I could care less.


There's a nugget in the above that may influence my current position as it pertains to the tag, but not necessarily Matthew in general. I somewhat recall that (see bold), but would like to see the quote if somebody is so inclined to provide it for me.
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January 22, 2013, 06:50:06 PM
#47
As someone who had an extremely large stake in Matthews bet, the whole thing was obviously bullshit from the start (and I was very vocal about the fact that I didn't think he would pay out a dime).  In fact, I cleared him of any responsibility to my debt in responce to a PM he sent me last week.

I mean, on a personal level, I dont really care for Matthew....I think he is an impulsive attention hog, but I think he is harmless for the most part. He deserves the scammer tag (as it was a condition of his bet) and general shaming from the community (which he has and will continue to recieve), but beyond that, I could care less.
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January 22, 2013, 06:32:52 PM
#46
what'd he do wrong
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January 22, 2013, 08:03:28 AM
#45
If he would have won the bet with all that insider information he had,
I've never had any more information than anyone else had. I did lose control though and I'm ashamed of the whole situation.

$1,000,000+ Thats how much you owe MNW.
The people whom I bet with tell a much different story.

Go back under the rock you came from. you're a fag and you're a liar and you're a scammer. Now go suck a cock. lol  Grin

I have lied many times in my life, can't say I've ever sucked a cock. Not sure where you're going with this. Are you saying that all homosexuals are scammers? Were you scammed by a homosexual?

Guys please do not forget was behind the bitcoinica ilegal sale
The only person behind the sale was Zhoutong. Many people on Skype and IRC have tried to give ZhouTong advice on how to do things in a fair, legal, and transparent fashion. He made some mistakes (he is 17 remember?) too but it would be disingenuous to say that anyone other than Zhoutong and the Intersango crew were "behind" any sale.

received donations from Zhoutong.
Bitcoin 100 probably also received donations from Zhou Tong. I'm not sure where you're going with this.
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January 22, 2013, 02:35:30 AM
#44
Guys please do not forget was behind the bitcoinica ilegal sale and received donations from Zhoutong. Also, asked us many many times for a 15 K BTc investment for the piece pf shit ellet. Then, his creepy videos.. this idiot is fucking sick. Now he tries to speak with the humble tone.. Honestly dude, evaporate.


MNW = Trash

Just look at his youtube channel.. you'll see what I mean.

Maria.
legendary
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January 22, 2013, 02:28:44 AM
#43
I agree, I have no doubt that if Pirate paid up that the debt would have been due and that the counter parties had intention to pay if their bet was lost.
I have received dozens of emails to a different tone actually. "I assumed you were just trolling", "Why are you bothering to pay anyone back? They deserve to have lost something", and other emails to that nature. The fact that I'm here to resolve things despite the repeated advice (read: Rassah) I've received to do the contrary should read in to my true intentions here. I do feel bad for what happened and I hope I can make things right again in time.

Go back under the rock you came from. you're a fag and you're a liar and you're a scammer. Now go suck a cock. lol  Grin

No!!! Please, no!! Not the cock thread! Anything but the cock thread. I'll do anything. ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
legendary
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January 22, 2013, 02:26:21 AM
#42
I agree, I have no doubt that if Pirate paid up that the debt would have been due and that the counter parties had intention to pay if their bet was lost.
I have received dozens of emails to a different tone actually. "I assumed you were just trolling", "Why are you bothering to pay anyone back? They deserve to have lost something", and other emails to that nature. The fact that I'm here to resolve things despite the repeated advice (read: Rassah) I've received to do the contrary should read in to my true intentions here. I do feel bad for what happened and I hope I can make things right again in time.

Go back under the rock you came from. you're a fag and you're a liar and you're a scammer. Now go suck a cock. lol  Grin
legendary
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January 22, 2013, 01:42:48 AM
#41
If he would have won the bet with all that insider information he had, you better bet your nuts he would have made every single person pay, with non payers receiving a swift scammer tag or ban. He would have became a millionaire over night, if Pirate would have opened operations back up "like expected". If this type of behavior doesn't warrant for a scammer tag I don't know WHAT DOES.....

$1,000,000+ Thats how much you owe MNW. Every second you spend on here interest builds up and that spot price increases (making it even more impossible to pay back the debt). If I was Matthews lawyer, I'd be telling him to shut up right about now....

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January 22, 2013, 12:55:05 AM
#40
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January 21, 2013, 03:56:13 AM
#39
I agree, I have no doubt that if Pirate paid up that the debt would have been due and that the counter parties had intention to pay if their bet was lost.
I have received dozens of emails to a different tone actually. "I assumed you were just trolling", "Why are you bothering to pay anyone back? They deserve to have lost something", and other emails to that nature. The fact that I'm here to resolve things despite the repeated advice (read: Rassah) I've received to do the contrary should read in to my true intentions here. I do feel bad for what happened and I hope I can make things right again in time.
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January 21, 2013, 01:08:46 AM
#38
I am going to say this, I believe Matthew made a bad taste in a "joke" with the pirate bet.

Matthew indicated in the "I need help" thread" that he believed Pirate would pay and the profits from him winning the bet would help him with some real world financial problems.    It doesn't sound like a "joke".  If he had won he would have sought losers to pay.   He just never had the ability or intent to pay if he lost.  Then again he didn't think he would lose.  

He was just joking about paying off if he lost.  If he won, he was serious about taking the money.  The morality of a thief.  He somehow doesn't seem to realize he just digs himself deeper any time he posts shit like that.  The scammer tag is quite appropriate.

I agree, I have no doubt that if Pirate paid up that the debt would have been due and that the counter parties had intention to pay if their bet was lost. 

He has some real attention seeking psychological problems.  He has left the forums a few months because of his trolling before just to crawl back later with all these apologizes.    It is like an abusive spouse that beats his wife and comes back later all sorry just to beat her again.  The best way to confront a person like this is called tactical ignoring.
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January 20, 2013, 09:40:49 PM
#37
scammer tag doesn't seem to mean much.
even before the tag was applied matt is still untrustworthy...

FYPFY

I'd have to agree. The situation grossly mismatched my maturity and professionalism and I feel bad about it. You could argue that for this level of involvement I was untrustworthy and although I intended on being exactly that in a comical way, it turned into a reality. That said, I am here now to make amends for my bad behavior and I know it's a bit soon, but as hard is it is to tackle this, I hope that that my efforts to make amends will help paint a more detailed picture of my character and not just the mistakes I made.
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Gerald Davis
January 20, 2013, 09:22:40 PM
#36
scammer tag doesn't seem to mean much.
even before the tag was applied matt was still untrustworthy...

FYPFY
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January 20, 2013, 08:39:11 PM
#35
scammer tag doesn't seem to mean much.

even after the tag was applied matt is still trustworthy... made good on a few BTC/KRW trades.

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January 20, 2013, 08:08:49 PM
#34
Indeed, it raises the question of what the "lesson in trust" was supposed to be.  Was it supposed to be that the community shouldn't doubt people or that they shouldn't blindly trust high profile members? 
I think I can help clarify this just a bit. At the time the bet was made, the forum was full of people left and right arguing about things they didn't know the real answer to (a troll's paradise), one side claiming that payback would be impossible and another side claiming that Pirate was a saint. The original lesson was intended for people who threw trust at pirate and other "funds" so easily, hence the comical nature of a bet that size without escrow. In my mind at the time, I was hurting no one except for people who needed to be reminded to stop trusting people so easily. That logic was obviously flawed and I was soon to realize that when it cost people money in the process.

The major mistake I made was not sticking with the prank. I fell to temptation and flip-flopped on my original reasoning. I started to believe it would be possible for pirate to pay back (perhaps) and I got out of control. Once I realized that there was no turning back, that's when everyone noticed a bizarre change in my attitude. I'm not proud of it, I've had to do some serious thinking about my life, my personality, my attitude and what I'm even doing here, but I came to the conclusion that I was overworked, in a position of trust disproportionate to my level of maturity and responsibilities, and I quickly screwed it up. The whole "not keeping my word" part was because I honestly had no idea how to go about it. No one is sitting on that amount of money and I didn't stick to one side, as I said, I flip flipped in my own mind and I believe that that is the most serious part of my mistake. As others have mentioned, if I would have kept just being a dick it might have been openly accepted as a prank, but I didn't have the sense to do that and as people have noted, I was tempted to try and make that situation into something that would also help my then poor financial situation. It was stupid of me, it was dishonest, it was something I'm not proud of, and it's a situation I won't let myself get into again.

I was raised a Christian and still have many of those same values in my life. I believe in sharing, I believe in forgiveness and I believe in making right on things you have done wrong. In my heart I knew I had to make things right once I learned of the magnitude of my mistake, but I was embarrassed and scared and didn't know how to clean up the large mess I made, as it was then something I could no longer control. This doesn't mean I'm a scammer, that I spend my nights and days looking for ways to cheat people for easy money, or that I am unfit for society. I work hard and always have, and I my anxiousness to be a part of something and lead (overzealousness?) is also misinterpreted as a sign of a scammer by some. It most certainly does mean that I did not put enough thought into my actions, that I was tempted with greed, and that I failed that temptation along with failing to understand the consequences of my actions beforehand. Looking back it seems so simple what I did and how it was so wrong. I just wish I would have had the sense to have steered clear when everyone was warning me at the time. I feel so stupid.

In short, the "lesson" was originally that people shouldn't trust others when they make outrageous claims and put nothing behind it. I let it go to far and changed the nature of the bet by flip-flopping and that is where I ruined myself. I understand that, I'm sorry for that, and now I am trying to make amends for that.


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January 20, 2013, 07:33:15 PM
#33
What I would find interesting is: Did you really think pirate would pay?

Indeed, it raises the question of what the "lesson in trust" was supposed to be.  Was it supposed to be that the community shouldn't doubt people or that they shouldn't blindly trust high profile members? 

If there was an honest belief that pirate would pay, then the only intended lesson which makes any sense is that people shouldn't be so cynical.

If the intended lesson was "trust no-one", then I don't see how an honest belief that pirate would pay could have existed - rather the "lesson" seems to be about how greed encourages unwarranted trust (first in pirate and then in Matthew).

I'm still confused about nature of the intended "lesson".

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