May I get into any troubles by sending trust feedback?

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on November 12, 2020, 07:37:18 AM

I would be more careful with reviews, especially when it comes to newbies. I think, if your pens are itching to leave a review for a newbie, then it is enough to leave a neutral review. Not all newbies have pure motives from the early days of trading. Some start small to get more positive reviews and eventually disappear without a trace.

Exactly, this actually happened here. Someone gaining trust from the start and then has been left the forum having a defaulted loan. There are too many of them in general.

I had admitted that I also gave positive trust with someone else who helping or in any had transactions trade on me before but that was all about personal opinion. Regarding leaving negative trust on newbie members, don't hesitate to leave feedback if you have captured evidence or archive that you feel that the user is very risky to deal with. Selling, scam attempt, or any fraudulent activities should have negative feedback to give awareness to other users. You might also open a scam accusation thread so that DT members will help you.

But if that is all about spamming the forum, posting a malicious link, and copy-pasting from the article. That's the work of the MODs, you can simply report them to the MODs by hitting the button "Report to moderator".

Quote from: Rikafip on October 18, 2020, 01:03:02 PM

Before you start sending feedbacks more often, I suggest you check LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system. It helped me a lot at the beginning, and I was often rereading it when in doubt.

This, this is really helpful stuff.

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I would be more careful with reviews, especially when it comes to newbies. I think, if your pens are itching to leave a review for a newbie, then it is enough to leave a neutral review. Not all newbies have pure motives from the early days of trading. Some start small to get more positive reviews and eventually disappear without a trace.

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on November 10, 2020, 10:57:10 AM

I recently bought a service on this forum. The seller is a newbie but he has sent me likes and followers both times that I've paid him. Should I write a positive feedback? Is it considered risky move?

I don't see any reason why you should not, he is a seller who wants to build a reputation here and you should give him one regardless if he is a newbie or a legendary member, give credit where credit is due he completed the service, if he ask a vouch and the deal satisfy you I recommend that you give him one, (although there is no obligation to do so), so he can continue his service and satisfy other buyers like you.

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on November 10, 2020, 10:57:10 AM

I recently bought a service on this forum. The seller is a newbie but he has sent me likes and followers both times that I've paid him. Should I write a positive feedback? Is it considered risky move?

Since your trade was successful, there will be nothing wrong if you will send him a positive feedback, it just tells other users that you trust that user.
Referrences always help to support your trust to that user.
I don't see that sending positive feedback as a risky move though.

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I recently bought a service on this forum. The seller is a newbie but he has sent me likes and followers both times that I've paid him. Should I write a positive feedback? Is it considered risky move?

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on October 22, 2020, 09:21:12 AM

I can't recall the quote, but the admin is discouraging to leave feedback for spammers. That's the moderator's duty to prevent spam from the forum, shouldn't moderate spams by trust system. Just report to moderators if someone has been posting spams, suspicious links with malware.

Hm I had no idea that we are not supposed to tag serious spammers, like those paid shill accounts that work on announcement threads and that won't stop spamming until they get banned. In some cases tag works, as those that hire them don't want to see bunch of neg tagged accounts in their thread.

Regarding leaving negative feedback to those that are spreading malware, I don't think that mods have anything against that, on the contrary. Even though mods are very fast when it comes to deletion of those posts, especially if they were reported in Report Malware and Suspicious Links here so Mods can take Action !, occasionally it takes longer to get malware infected posts deleted (for example during weekend) and in that case negative tag helps warning people not to download malware. At least that's what I and others active in that thread are doing.

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I can't recall the quote, but the admin is discouraging to leave feedback for spammers. That's the moderator's duty to prevent spam from the forum, shouldn't moderate spams by trust system. Just report to moderators if someone has been posting spams, suspicious links with malware. But if you think someone posting something like a scam and you believe there is a chance of loss funds then better to open a thread against that user. So you will have a reference link and you will get opinions from other users. Because when you are leaving feedback then you should add valid reference links.

There isn't a major issue with your feedback, but continuously leaving false feedback then DT members would distrust you if they think your feedbacks are incorrect.

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Even though this user has already been banned, as a solution to the issue, I think it would be more correct to write to him about this in his thread. That is, to make a simple remark.
Regarding the further feedback the OP asked about, I think the feedback should be extremely fair. The feedback should not contain any personal animosity and be sure to include a link to any evidence collected for those who received negative or positive tag.
If the review is not credible, it will not be considered a breach of trust until at some point the OP is included in the DT system.
After that, all reviews gain visibility and significance for everyone, and, of course, the requirements for the fairness of such reviews will be much stricter.

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Trust feedback will be an indicator for the receiver to defend his side and I do not see anything wrong with that. Trust abuse in my opinion is when you try to leave a negative feedback to a user just because you do not like the person and trying to justify that the feedback rings a sense to it. To make your trust feedback credible, gather and present evidence and for the feedback receiving side justify that the evidence has no malicious intent to clear your reputation.

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on October 18, 2020, 12:29:28 PM

We all see many scammers that spam their scam sites and/or making posts that look spammy generally (like lying or posting the entire text in bold.)

I sent my first neutral feedback to a member that seemed posting suspicious content. I may do it in the future for other members, and I want to know. May I get considered as a trust abuser?

You can always remove or change your feedback later if you think you made bad decision, but I don't think this is the case here because he is banned.
Trust abuse happens if you are not using in properly or if you retaliate.
Please read some LoyceV suugestion and guide for using Trust system for more help:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/loycevs-beginners-guide-to-correct-use-of-the-trust-system-5191802

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on October 18, 2020, 12:29:28 PM

Also another question, how can the people that see the feedback be sure that I'm not lying?

They can check and verify what each of you said and wrote, and make their own decision.
Never blindly trust any negative or positive feedback you see on any member profile.

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OP, issue resolved @AfshinN, has left this forum for good.

Bpip: https://bpip.org/Profile?p=AfshinN

And if he doesn't create a new account.
If you archive a post made by @AfshinN, that's great, you can review one day, if he creates a new account, I'm sure he will do the same thing again.

I think it's the perfect time to thread locking.

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If anyone breaks forum rules- report them.
If anyone seems to be scammer/ proven scammer- neg tag.
If anyone is unlikely to scam (You trust them with fund)- Positive tag.

Others which may or may not be connected to scam but express something which you think you should remember about that user or you think other people should know- neutral

You will never be considered as trust abuser if you follow this.
To avoid any kind of confusion, try to add reference link in every feedback you send.

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I don't think you will have any kind of trouble in that kind of feedback bro where the only one who will oppose that is with the one you created a feedback with. The ones where you gonna create trouble with is feedbacks that you can expect to have a lot of opposition especially the ones where DT members will be siding the one you sent a feedback with. So if you are trying to tag someone make sure that you are on the right side and not just throwing negative feedbacks without any kind of proof of what you are trying to show.

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Quote from: khaled0111 on October 18, 2020, 01:20:17 PM

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Stop using bold on every post. It makes our reading confusing and your scamming more obvious

you literally accused him of scamming, which is a serious accusation, without any valid proof and just because he writes in bold!

I told him that he makes his scamming more obvious. By saying "Stop writing on bold" I mean that all of his posts are references, but you're mostly right.

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Although I don't agree on leaving feedbacks (even if it was neutral) on someone's trust page because of bad netiquette, I wouldn't consider it a trust abuse.

The feedback must be as accurate as possible to avoid any kind of confusion.
For example, here is the feedback you left to AfshinN:

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Stop using bold on every post. It makes our reading confusing and your scamming more obvious

you literally accused him of scamming, which is a serious accusation, without any valid proof and just because he writes in bold!

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on October 18, 2020, 12:29:28 PM

I sent my first neutral feedback to a member that seemed posting suspicious content. I may do it in the future for other members, and I want to know. May I get considered as a trust abuser?

Go for it, as long as you're comfortable that you're right. And if you see an obvious scammer, leave a negative instead of a neutral. You might get a retaliatory neg in return, but that's just how it goes here. Take a look at my trust page (or any DT member's for that matter). There's red all over the place, but good luck trying to find proof for whatever accusations were left.

And no, as long as you're trying to combat scammers you won't be considered a trust abuser. Just don't leave neg for shitposters/spammers.

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on October 18, 2020, 12:29:28 PM

Also another question, how can the people that see the feedback be sure that I'm not lying?

Leave a valid reference link or include some sort of evidence with your feedback. That's the best you can do.

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on October 18, 2020, 12:29:28 PM

I sent my first neutral feedback to a member that seemed posting suspicious content. I may do it in the future for other members, and I want to know. May I get considered as a trust abuser?

You were right, content that member was posting is more than suspicious, most of his posts are plagiarism hiding behind paraphrasing and text spinning, I reported him this morning so hopefully he gets banned soon as I can see, since I reported him he made few more c/p posts.

Before you start sending feedbacks more often, I suggest you check LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system. It helped me a lot at the beginning, and I was often rereading it when in doubt.

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on October 18, 2020, 12:29:28 PM

Also another question, how can the people that see the feedback be sure that I'm not lying?

Make sure to archive reference link. My preferred way is https://archive.fo/, but as @suchmoon said, @LoyceV tool is also good option.

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It seems that almost all of the posts he does are in bold.

~~https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/afshinn-2736800~~

I don't know what he was talking about in that topic.

Marking the account is useless, it has no effect, the right move, if you have any doubts or suspicions, do as said by:@Suchm.
Maybe, that's the right step to get rid of it.

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This should be in the reputations board.

Neutral feedback doesn't matter much. It's more like a reminder or note for future reference. It would only look bad if you had left a negative tag for such actions. You can also first warn the user and if they insist with what they are doing then you can leave them a neutral or report their spammy posts to the mods.

I have observed the user in question for the past couple of days, and he/she has been spamming different boards with bolded topic. I think someone is trying to farm an account.

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That particular post is ~~copypasta from reddit~~ wordspin from cointelegraph so report it to mods as plagiarism.

Having said that, if the user is consistently exhibiting some sort of behavior that you want others to know about and/or make a note for yourself - neutral rating is ok, just don't overdo it for every spam post.

To make sure that people see your feedback as factual - add references. Archive the reference content or point the reference to the copy of the post in LoyceV's archive.

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Farewell, Leo

We all see many scammers that spam their scam sites and/or making posts that look spammy generally (like lying or posting the entire text in bold.)

I sent my first neutral feedback to a member that seemed posting suspicious content. I may do it in the future for other members, and I want to know. May I get considered as a trust abuser?

Also another question, how can the people that see the feedback be sure that I'm not lying?

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