Topic: Mazacoin ** FAKE Sovereign Currency ** (Read 7719 times)

I havn't heard anything from the devs, cryptopia has frozen Maza since the 51% attack. I feel it's time to fork this coin and update the features with worker bees from Litecoin Cash, after that is released to help thwart further attacks and to revive MazaCoin. If anyone is interested in helping me relaunch Mazacoin, let me know. Because I do believe in the vision, however Payu can only go so far. I think it's time we as a group take over and push this coin past these imposed limits. It's only a scam if everyone let's it just die. If the Lakota's use Maza in their own Tribal communities, then we need this to be able to be converted to BTC and then into USD as well. If the exchanges are dead and no one can convert, the coin itself dies and loses value. This should not happen, there are two sides to getting this coin off the ground. First is the Lakota nation's acceptance and use, and second is focusing on mass adoption and speculative investment outside of the Lakota. Without both it can't work, even if the Lakota accepted it completely, the value with no market is nil. I run Bitinterest.net and I think I can help expose this coin in a positive light in the near future. Please tell me someone see's this, or if this vision is truly dead, let's come up with a new idea for a new coin that can actually work and make a difference.

Please provide links to the video statements you reference above.

I hope you are for real, and that this actually does some good for the people you claim to represent.  If so, do not take personally the attackers and skeptics.  These are to be expected.  Be thick skinned if you are actually trying to do good.  Be steadfast.  Be here, be open and informative, and ignore the naysayers.

No
There are not many visible racists here, compared to the "nice" people.
Surely you must be mistaken, BTC brings the world closer together.

I believe Brewer did come out later on (semi recently) saying they were reviewing mazacoin, which is more than he ever said previously. At least he publicly admitted he knew what it was.

But no, no public statements from the tribe saying they already accepted it has come out.

Strange then that your own mazacoin.org webpage links to http://www.oglalalakotanation.org/oln/Home.html, which shows Brewer as President.
And you agree you have no statements from anyone representing the tribe to agree that it has been adopted as an official currency.
Brewer was voted for by his own people, which is more than is true for you.

LOL.

Brewer's "Council" have absolutely ZERO authority to make any claim, either regards MazaCoin or regards sovereignty in general. The only people who recognize his "authority" are sympathizers with the USA and their BIA and FBI armies. Please.

As for statements by the Treaty Council and Elders. They do not work that way. They operate by consensus and verbal acclamation. And several have gone on video and we published those. That's the only "statement" you are going to get.

Brewer is at best a land manager, at worst a collaborator with an enemy nation. He has authority to fix the streets and collect the garbage, nothing more.

I am done here. BitCoinTalk is a cesspool of racist bigots. Go say the pledge of allegiance to the flag of your nazi-facist nation and we'll take care of MazaCoin.

Yeah , and we can have btc and ltc equivalent for them.
Besides , no Siouxs have ever heard of mazacoin , so the name isn't a problem , just how many of the bagholders don't have a clue who the hell the lakota are.
We just have to claim we're the sovereign currency of the Sioux nation and cash in on the idiots investors.

No he didn't, he said:


And yet you haven't managed to produce any actual statement from anyone saying so?

P. S. For the fellow who wants to make SiouxCoin. The Sioux and the Lakota are one Nation, they have been for about 100 years now. Just saying....


~~  AP

An Essay On Native Tribal Sovereignty & The Legitimacy Of MazaCoin

Tuesday - April 22, 2014

In this essay we are going to explore a dichotomy which is absolutely typical of the vast majority of sovereign Tribal Nations in the USA and Canada. Because we are also going to explore the questions of legitimacy regarding MazaCoin, we will focus on the Traditional Lakota Nation - but understand that in general this is what most Native Americans face with regard to wielding the sovereignty to which they are entitled under treaty.

Let's begin with a question. If President Obama literally received his paycheck from the Kremlin in Moscow, or the Chinese government in Beijing - could you really say he represents in any way either the interests or the legitimacy of the USA?  Well guess who pays the so called "elected" government of the Oglala Lakota Nation?  The USA Bureau of Indian Affairs. The BIA isn't some nice bureaucracy in Washington with the Native Americans best interests at heart. They are a ruthless occupational army with armored personnel carriers, para-military troops with automatic weapons - and a mandate from the early 1900's to control and suppress the Native Nations of the USA at any cost. Working hand in hand with the secret police of the USA otherwise known as the FBI, they today conduct what was a hot war until the 1970's. Now it is an economic war of blockade and slow attrition. The goal is to finish the genocide they started in the 1800's, here's a picture of the US Army burying in trenches the men, women and children they massacred at Wounded Knee. Note that many of them are smiling as they do so.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w84/deer_012/woundedknee2.jpg

Since the USA began to break the Treaty of 1868 almost before the ink was dry, the Lakota continued to fight. This war was a shooting war right up to the mid 1970's culminating in the circumstances that led to the now famous "Incident At Oglala". Let's explore this deeper, as it bears heavily on everything we will discuss hence. At that time, in the 70's - the "elected" and BIA approved "government" of the Oglala Lakota Nation was run by a ruthless and barbaric tyrant named "President" Dick Wilson. President Wilson, using arms and training supplied by the BIA and FBI proceeded to form death squads who roamed the reservations of the Lakota and in a few short years murdered in cold blood at least 70 of his own people for resistance to his regime or defiance of the USA. Not only did the FBI stand back and let it happen, they actively assisted Dick Wilson's death squads with intelligence and provocations. Finally one day in the late 70's, in utter despair and rage - dozens of armed native Americans defended themselves and shot two FBI agents literally to pieces with rifles during a fire fight at a complex called Jumping Bull.

Incident At Oglala - Full Movie: Narrated By Robert Redford ->  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoKXo1Vg2qM  (watch both parts)

As a side note, the Native Americans who admitted to blasting these two FBI agents to bits were exonerated in court on grounds of self-defense, so in rage the USA government imprisoned for life Leonard Peltier - an AIM activist, who was patently innocent of anything. He is the only political prisoner in the USA recognized as such by Amnesty International.

After the incident at Jumping Bull, the Lakota Nation was invaded by hundreds of heavily armed troops of the FBI and BIA, and ruthlessly suppressed. And that is where it stands today, where the FBI continue to harass and illegally surveil anyone who dares speak of Lakota sovereignty - such as Payu Harris the MazaCoin spokesperson. Today the war is economic and political. That is why MazaCoin is such a vital weapon for the Lakota, it might be all they have left to fight with.

Under both US and international law, a Treaty - ANY Treaty, is by definition an agreement between two (or more in the case of the UN) sovereign nations. The Treaty recognizing the Lakota Nation has full and complete sovereignty, indeed recognizing that their sovereignty predates the very existence of the USA - was signed in 1868. That is why the motto of MazaCoin, which is in the genesis block and on the paper wallets and website is: "1868 Is The Law". This Treaty is recognized by the United Nations. In fact a Treaty passed by the Senate and signed by the President trumps any law of the USA, even the Constitution itself - according to that very Constitution.

When this Treaty was entered into, there was no BIA approved "elected" government of the Lakota Nation. Such an entity came much later as a tool of the oppressive policies of the USA in an attempt to marginalize and limit the sovereignty and success of the Lakota Nation. The Treaty was entered into with the only true and legitimate representatives of the Lakota Nation, namely the Treaty Council, the Council of Elders and various groups of warriors who today have become the Lakota Military Societies. All of these bodies still exist to this day in unbroken lineage, and they are the only legal and legitimate representatives of the Lakota Nation and the sole holders of the symbols of sovereignty as enumerated in the 1868 Treaty.

But the reporters and journalists either don't care about this, or actively ignore it out of sympathy for the USA. When these Elders and Warriors send representatives to Washington to present proclamations seceding from the USA, as they have done a couple of times already - who do the reporters call to check if it is legitimate?  Ah dear reader you are learning, you guessed it. They call the "elected" BIA approved government offices. And of course, what response do these "journalists" receive and publish?  So when MazaCoin took the world by storm this year, with the bold claim that we are the Sovereign National Currency of the Traditional Lakota Nation - once again who did the reporters contact to verify this?  The "elected" and BIA approved government of course. And let's examine their response.

First, President Brewer claimed he knew nothing whatsoever about MazaCoin. This is patently false and not only can Payu Harris attest to it, but so can I because I wrote him from Canada last year. And when Payu went to him to inform him of MazaCoin, note NOT ask for his permission as he can't grant it anyway - but inform him of what we were doing, not only did he know the full details but he said he would at least remain silent and let us be. So he both broke his word to us and lied to the media.

MazaCoin is the Sovereign National Currency of the Traditional Lakota Nation, with the ascent of those who hold the symbols of that sovereignty according to the Treaty of 1868. It is a fact. We do not need to "prove" this to anyone, although we have gone to great lengths to do so. In the end, it's legitimacy depends a great deal on whose side you are on in a horrible war to completely destroy these people and their nation - and wipe their culture from the face of the earth. Do you believe the USA and it's surrogate "elected" BIA approved government?  Or do you believe Payu Harris and the Elders who have, in some cases publicly - attested to this legitimacy?  Believe the oppressed or the oppressors, in the end the choice is yours.


Written By: AP

Master Coin Maker - MazaCoin

NOTE: The opinions expressed in this piece are strictly my own, and represent my own understanding of the history of the Lakota Nation and it's people. Any factual errors are my own. I am not a Native American, I can not speak for them - and I surely can not imagine how they feel today about anything.

That isn't good enough, anything real making this a scam?

"Sovereign" are First Nations, not the coins :))) or the currency. We all know that this "sovereignty" is subject to Uncle Sam's arbitrary policies as we all know since Tom Sawyer's nursery stories, so, yes,  that's a "sovereign risk" there (literally) but that would also apply to U. S. dollars, euroes, or yen.

Scamcoins are coins like "minimalistic" Mincoin, Goldcoin or similar -- as well as the ones not worth your hashing power for failing to understand that Crypto is borderless and not to be confined to some "country".

I can see that the Mazacoin devs have serious intentions, and we'll see whether or not mazacoins will deliver...

Read the title..
Maza is the first sovereign currency.
Except that the people who are supposed to use it as a currency don't have a clue about it.

I can launch the siouxcoin today, and that would match what maza claims.
My coin would be also a sovereign currency.

It's just a fake coin that promises what it can't deliver

still no one has bothered to explain WHY mazacoins should be a scam?? It's great to shout "scam" all over the place and then not have anything to base such claims upon -- again, did I miss something here? Would someone please care to explain why Mazacoin is said to be a scam?

Epic scam was huge for a few days.

the "national" Crypto coin thing is what's too much (in my view) as it clearly defies the entire concept of Crypto coins -- which is being exactly FREE from central authority and/or points of failure and/or concentrations, clusterings or what you want to call it AKA national or local connections.

This goes for all the "nationalized" piles of garbage out there from Auroracoin (a racist Iceland-first thing) over Spaincoin, Mediterraneancoin to Polandcoin (maybe not so much for Maplecoin or Mazacoin though as they explicitly keep themselves open "beyond borders" so to speak) -- I don't know what the heck those other guys are thinking (if anything at all) limiting their potential market in advance?!?

Interesting. I wonder what Payu had to say at the meetup yesterday in Silicon Valley...
http://www.meetup.com/Silicon-Valley-Bitcoin-Users/events/165612122/

That's for food, education and dental work for 10 Little Indians.   

11 Million Mazacoin were transferred out of the "Oglala Lakota National MazaCoin Reserve" yesterday. 

Here's the page that lists the address:
http://mazacoin.org/about.html

Here's the block explorer for the National Reserve's address:
http://explorer.mazacoin.org/address/MNG15HKzUQeiT8QmtAghvSKpQwwgzZSFzS

He seems like a nice guy. In fact i would trust this guy rather than the last fake satoshi , based on looks.

http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/local/ost-s-brewer-co-chairs-indian-health-service-budget-committee/article_056f12db-30bb-54fd-a679-40e828e7b22b.html

This guy is said to have undermined the project. Look where it got him.