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Topic: MC2: A cryptocurrency based on a hybrid PoW/PoS system - page 27. (Read 195184 times)

sr. member
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I'd really like to see this go ahead. It's a huge improvment on Bitcoin and Litecoin - and the altcoins are barely worth a mention...

I check out the forum - it is almost completely spam. Install some anti-spam stuff!
Hey, yes, we're in the process of getting a new forum up. Initially there was some good activity on the forum, but it's a bit quiet right now. Before we crowdfund the development, we'll make sure all the infrastructure is ready to get it going, including the forum. For now the Wiki is a good place to put up some ideas if you want, and that will be around with spam management for good. Smiley Sorry about the spam! There's been a lot around lately.
newbie
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I'd really like to see this go ahead. It's a huge improvment on Bitcoin and Litecoin - and the altcoins are barely worth a mention...

I check out the forum - it is almost completely spam. Install some anti-spam stuff!
hero member
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I haven't gone through the specs of the netcoin but the idea to involve democracy in a coin is utterly idiotic. Democracy simply doesn't work in society and won't work in a coin.

http://beyonddemocracy.net/

Democracy is ok. It's just that we are using some lousy implementations of it.
sr. member
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I haven't gone through the specs of the netcoin but the idea to involve democracy in a coin is utterly idiotic. Democracy simply doesn't work in society and won't work in a coin.

http://beyonddemocracy.net/
That's an interesting perspective. Have you thought about how we could incorporate some of the ideas from the material you posted? I would be very open to listen to what you have in mind. Makes me think about the old Churchill quote: "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried".
hero member
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I haven't gone through the specs of the netcoin but the idea to involve democracy in a coin is utterly idiotic. Democracy simply doesn't work in society and won't work in a coin.

http://beyonddemocracy.net/
legendary
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Interesting, ZenithCoin plans on implementing something similar.
Well keep an eye on the netcoin wiki. I hope to compile promising ideas there. I see you are going with devcoin style taxation. To take this to the next level make the address of the tax collector electable via PoS. Otherwise, the scheme will lack legitimacy. Just as in freicoin. You want there to be competition for the position of coin CEO. Otherwise, the system is certain to turn corrupt.
sr. member
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Interesting, ZenithCoin plans on implementing something similar.
sr. member
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Should we have the white paper in the wiki as well?
That's a good idea. I'll try and get a raw data version from TacoTime and put it up in sections. New version is coming too.
legendary
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Should we have the white paper in the wiki as well?
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Thanks, cunicula! You've put some interesting material up. Just in case anyone is wondering, there's stuff happening in the background to set up our crowdfunding model, prepare job postings for developers, and make final theoretical additions/changes to the whitepaper. TacoTime's just been a little swamped lately, but we'll keep pushing the dream forward! Wink
legendary
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Hi taco,
When do you believe approximately are you going to release Netcoin?
newbie
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Thanks for answering my question rb. Presumably you could have the choice of both? Or just turn one off if you know you'll always have access to a copy of your address? Not really my department of expertise.

The simple answer would be just to always have a copy it, but then most people wouldn't be in that habit or be tech savvie enough to think of smart ways around it. Mass appeal unfortunately means dumbing stuff down.
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I don't know if anyone has suggested this yet, but would it be possible to shorten the address associated with your wallet because currently it's more or less unreadable and very difficult to memorise in your head.

Ha ha ha. You are not computer guy definitely.

There are other options, such as some kind of future integration with the NameCoin alias namespace (still under development), or some other bitcoin address DNS-type interface. Hell, even some system such as adding  a TXT DNS record to a domain with the address in it could prove itself to be useful...and then if the user enters bitcoinstore.com in the payment field, we could just do a DNS lookup for the TXT entry with the appropriate name associated with that domain, and pull the address in through that. It's not P2P like NetCoin aliases, but it uses technology that exists today.
legendary
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Not sure if NetCoin needs a Python coder (/me)?
legendary
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I don't know if anyone has suggested this yet, but would it be possible to shorten the address associated with your wallet because currently it's more or less unreadable and very difficult to memorize in your head.

The likely answer is no.  It is a necessary security protocol that makes those long addresses, which is what keeps it secure.  

Secure? May be less confused: Unique key, avoid address conflicts, distributed key generation.
legendary
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I don't know if anyone has suggested this yet, but would it be possible to shorten the address associated with your wallet because currently it's more or less unreadable and very difficult to memorise in your head.

Ha ha ha. You are not computer guy definitely.
hero member
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I don't know if anyone has suggested this yet, but would it be possible to shorten the address associated with your wallet because currently it's more or less unreadable and very difficult to memorize in your head.

The likely answer is no.  It is a necessary security protocol that makes those long addresses, which is what keeps it secure.  Most are built in to recognize the first six characters though...and you can typically use the paper wallet sites to give yourself a "vanity" address which would make it much easier.

The current level of complication required to use crypto-currency will keep it limited in terms of access by the general public, so I certainly agree that simplification is our greatest ally in adoption.  This project and even Digital coin have great potential due to the ease of mental adoption...even a non geek would understand a "digital" coin or a "net" coin, even more-so than a "bit" coin.

What I love about all crypto currencies is the fact that they are already the back-end protocols on which the banking systems of the world will run, they just haven't been implemented as such...yet.  Looking at Buttercoin and extrapolating what a success could potentially do to Wall Street...it could very well become the standard trading platform used by NYSE and others, as an open source version would be much less prone to outside manipulation, and could change the way the world works with finance.  I really like the idea of gold and silver operating on an open source exchange...that would be something, as the price would be based on what the people are willing to pay, not the banks.

Also...get this project on the map with Buttercoin's members so we can run right alongside BTC early on.

I'd love to see multiple pools in multiple places throughout the world available to miners from day one. 
newbie
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I don't know if anyone has suggested this yet, but would it be possible to shorten the address associated with your wallet because currently it's more or less unreadable and very difficult to memorise in your head.
sr. member
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I read through since I posted it, but has there been any discussion on my idea of colored coins as a way to make the coin more understandable in its division, or if this is how Taco wanted to approach it?

I think its very important that such a convention is implemented so that people can easily numerate between fractions of the currency, in the event that it becomes very large. That way, we're not dealing with the issue of there being "Just X million coins", as the interface will readily show that there are in fact "X quadrillion coins of the basic color/naming convention"

I thought about your idea and I personally like it. Such a system could actually be implemented as a sort of "convention", instead of hardcoding the ledger system/protocol factoring in these different coin denominations. So for instance, let's say that there are 11million netcoins in existance. The highest denomination would be a "gold" netcoin, each of which is equal to 1 whole netcoin. Then, you have silver netcoins which are 1/10th of a netcoin each, and bronze netcoins which are 1/100th. If you have 3.4563 netcoins, the client could display that automatically broken out as gold, silver and bronze, while the ledger still tracked it as 3.4563. Instead of having to track multiple types of coins, it' simply becomes a convention. As cliche as it sounds, I'd advocate working more with the "gold", "silver" and "bronze" denominations, or something that holds intrinsic meaning to folks, instead of arbitrary colors (why is a "red" netcoin worth more than a "blue" one?). "Large", "medium" and "small" could work too...e.g. I have 1 large netcoin, 5 mediums and 15 smalls.

EDIT: After thinking some more about the "display hack" method of denominating coins, I think it's probably too leaky an abstraction (e.g. exchanges would most likely continue to work with the whole coins and use decimals...cryptogeeks as well). The other method (using colored coins of some sort) would not be such a leaky abstraction, but could have its own issues when talking about things such as:
* how does a user easily convert between coins (e.g. from silver to gold)
* would you have separate exchanges for each coin type, or one exchange for one coin type and force people to that type to trade?
* etc.

Some more general comments: From my reading on these forums, my opinion is that people have a bias against low numbers of coins (higher numbers of coins and especially WHOLE coins are seen as "better" and "more desirable". Total float and per-coin valuation is almost secondary to most folks TO AN EXTENT -- not talking about BBQCoin levels here, but definitely avoiding bitbar levels at all costs). I think it's an intrinsic human property that is much older than currency itself. The first question is always "how many?", not "what is the conversation rate?" or "how many are outstanding total?"

Also, most people tend to hate working with decimal spaces. I think a lot can be done to drive coin adoption and innovation via harnessing our own collective observations about how people view and think about unit value of any kind of currency. Splitting the currency across 3 or 4 denominations to reduce decimal bloat has very pertinent corollaries in meat-space currency (both of a fiat and non-fiat nature) and I think most folks would take to it like ducks to water.

I've been designing and developing software for awhile now. What I've learned is that you can NEVER underestimate simplicity and a strong visual impact. Our company has had offerings that had a ton of technical chops around them, but at the end of the day the kinds of things that really jazz our clients up are the simpler things, such as the simplicity of the UI, or real-time dashboards where the info is all in one place. Emotions and excitement arise most around what the eye can see and the mind can quickly understand. These things can be just as important to general adoption as the technical chops, and should not be discounted. There is a certain kind of inherent complexity with cryptocurrencies (at least at this point in the game), but I think a lot can still be done without investing millions on hardware wallets, P2P payment networks, etc.

A good rule of thumb for me is if I witness trends like this on the forums (where most people tend to be computer savvy, investment savvy, or both), then the effect will like be magnified greatly once you start involving the general population. Us geeks have a tendency to write factors like this off as trivial, but we are living in a fishbowl when we do. Go ask enough people on the street and your assumptions will likely change. Many of those same people could become netcoin users if/when this does take off.
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