Topic: Meanwhile in Afghanistan... (Read 2947 times)

Is the US in Afghanistan to perpetuate the opioid epidemic?  Its just a hunch but no one seems to know why we are in Afghanistan and this seems like a plausible possibility. 

The Taliban banned opium production in 2000 and bam the US invaded in 2001.  Opium production in Afghanistan has gone up since then.

So, you figure that they somehow come in there without any intervention in the politics of the country? Frankly I find that highly unlikely. You may find it laughable, that´s your business.

Lol.... the Chinese are always after the raw materials. They don't care about the human rights or anything else, as long as they could secure the resources. They have made investments in countries such as Sudan, Zimbabwe, and Angola, which are well known for human rights abuses. They need the raw materials. Else how could they earn valuable foreign currency by exporting the manufactured end-products?

The Chinese have been buying into Afghan mining operations and have serious enterprises going there. They´re intervening in their own ways there, it goes with the territory. You can´t do any meaningful business otherwise.

The Chinese are not intervening in Afghan politics, unlike the Russians. The latter has supported the Dari-speaking ethnic groups (Tadzhiks, Uzbeks, Hazara.etc) for many years now, against the dominance of the southerners (Pashthuns). The Afghans are broadly divided in to the Pashthun (currently ruling) and non-Pashthun factions. The Americans support the former, while the Russians support the latter.

What was the line from before 9/11 again...You´ll receive a carpet full of gold or be carpet bombed...or something to that effect. It´s always about the money, I´m afraid.

http://www.rawstory.com/2009/11/ambassador-cia-people-tortured/

It´ll eventually end up in the sphere of China and Russia. They´re making their inroads. The Chinese are heavily into mining and the Russians are even donating weapons to the regime´s forces. And maybe also to the Taliban, who knows.

That is why no one has invested their money on constructing the pipeline till now. Afghanistan is one of the most volatile countries in the world. I would never invest even a penny of my funds there. Who would spend $3 billion or $4 billion in building a pipeline, which could be destroyed by the Taliban or the ISIS within a few days after its completion?

I doubt that they can secure any pipeline, they can´t even secure the capital. There are regular rocket attacks there, even an attempt to get Kerry the other day.

Agreed, the opium trade is definately a major factor for the ongoing US occupation in Afghanistan. Wouldn't say they are not much interested in the TAP, the former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan stated that all the current US military bases in Afghanistan are positioned all the way along where the proposed pipeline will be built (I'll try and find the video where he gave a speech about it). If I remember rightly, he even mentioned witnessing several US army lorries loaded with opium!

The Americans are there in Afghanistan for the opium trade. They are not much interested in the trans-Afghan pipeline, as India is just another third world shit hole. The Americans need to make sure that Afghanistan is producing good quantities of opium. This opium is converted in to Heroin, and smuggled across the border to Iran and Russia. Afghan opium has enabled the NATO to wipe-out a significant part of the Russian and Iranian youth, thereby weakening these two rival nations.

I don't think the US will be leaving Afghanistan any time soon:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Afghanistan_Pipeline

what do you think that US will leave in afghanistan that should be discussed.
he will destoy it all.

This country has to find its own path, no one else can't help, not Europe and USA nor Russia. They can only make things worse. But this will be hard, I think that there is total chaos and ordinary people suffer the most.

Afghanistan Afghanistan! You're in trouble for your sources. Greedy West brought you chaos and blood

Afghanistan is destroying gradually If War continues it faces great problem in future. Its people will loss fundamental rights.

Germany Calls For Afghanistan-Taliban Negotiations - Steinmeier

19:31 01.04.2016

German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said that the recent terrorist attacks show the importance and necessity of cooperation among nations in the fight against terrorism.

DUSHANBE (Sputnik) — Berlin is calling for negotiations to begin between the Afghan government and the Taliban movement, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said Friday.
Members of the Taliban and Afghan government leaders were expected to engage in peace talks last March, with the aim of moving toward settling the 15-year conflict. However, on March 5, the Taliban leadership announced that it would not attend peace talks until all foreign soldiers had left Afghanistan and Taliban fighters had been released.



"We can now observe progress in Afghanistan, and it is significant, therefore we support negotiations between the country's government and the Taliban, as the situation in the region depends on their results," Steinmeier said at a press conference after his meeting with Tajikistan's Foreign Minister Nubuster Sirodjidin Aslov.

According to Germany's top diplomat, the recent terrorist attacks show the importance and necessity of cooperation among nations in the fight against terrorism.
Steinmeier called on Tajikistan's authorities to conduct political consultations and discussions to prevent the growth of radicalization and extremism.

The German foreign minister arrived in Dushanbe earlier in the day as part of his Central Asia tour as the acting chairman of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe.

http://sputniknews.com/asia/20160401/1037345930/germany-afghanistan-taliban.html

Afghanistan!  Pity country!
First Russian Occupation and then American
For its sources, that country couldn't find peace.
Al Queda, Taleban or ISIS all excuse. Real aim is Afghanistan's sources.
Do you think that USA and other western forces against to the terror?  NO!  In contrary, they are the biggest supporter of terror.

Dan Simpson: Vietnam redux?
America’s failure to exit Afghanistan has a familiar ring

February 24, 2016 12:00 AM

By Dan Simpson / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

I realize that I may be becoming something of a broken record on Afghanistan, continuing to insist that we should get out of there while the getting is good.  Nonetheless, as the smell of death wafts under the doors of that policy edifice, I feel compelled to try one more time to make the case.

Perhaps it comes from having just returned from Ho Chi Minh City, or Saigon, where a tour guide insisted on showing us the building from the roof of which the last official Americans were evacuated by helicopter from the South Vietnamese capital. I knew about it already and had seen photographs and film footage, but it still made me singularly uncomfortable to look at the site of America’s final humiliation there at the end of decades of war.  The war cost thousands of American and other lives, and a fortune in money needed at home.

Why do we have to do the same thing again in Afghanistan?

Its government is rotten. Like a fish it has spoiled from the head down. In this case, the corruption is opium. The United States has spent an estimated $7 billion over the past 14 years to fight the opium trade in Afghanistan. Instead, it is now the world’s largest exporter of opium, a true narco-state. 

Forget hearts and minds; the Afghan government of President Ashraf Ghani and the Taliban fight for control of the opium trade as much as Mexican drug gangs duke it out for control of the drug trade there. The Kabul government wants continued American military involvement to enable it to hold onto its piece of the opium and heroin action.

Second, the Russians, no innocents in Afghan matters, have decided that cooperation with the United States in Afghanistan is “useless,” in the words of a senior Russian official.  Until now, they have seen some virtue in working with us to a degree there. Afghanistan is near enough to their own borders. Militant Islam can be something of a threat to Russia and, closer at hand, to the former Soviet, predominantly Muslim republics — Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan — that stand between it and Afghanistan.

Now, Moscow has apparently made a decision to concentrate its efforts on building up the armed forces of Tajikistan rather than cooperating with the United States in Afghanistan through agreeing to staging rights and other assistance to the United States in the ’Stans.  It’s rats leaving a sinking ship, or ships leaving a sinking rat. Choose your metaphor.

The third very significant sign that the Kabul ship is going down is that, in spite of mighty, expensive, labor-intensive American efforts to train the Afghan army, it is not only still unable to hold onto territory in the face of the Taliban, it is also crumbling from within. Last week Afghan security forces carried out a singularly ignoble raid on a hospital run by the Swedish Committee for Afghanistan, abducting and killing three patients.

For me, the current actions of the Afghan security forces, in principle overseen by U.S. forces, have the tinny echo of American troops in Vietnam trying to restrain some of the more reprehensible actions of the South Vietnamese soldiers. They became more and more desperate as they felt the hot breath of Viet Cong and North Vietnamese forces bearing down on them near the end.

The most chilling recent figure to come out of Afghanistan was the United Nations assessment that 2015 was the worst year yet for civilian casualties. The United Nations said 3,545 civilians died last year and 7,457 were injured, exceeding the 2014 total. A quarter of the civilian dead and wounded were children.

Ironically enough, the Ashraf Ghani government almost certainly realizes that its days are numbered and that it needs to cut a deal with the Taliban if its people — or perhaps its opium traders — are to survive a transition that almost certainly has to involve Taliban participation in government. There is no reason to believe that Mr. Ghani and his associates cannot cut a deal with the Taliban. They are, after all, Pashtuns. They speak the same language, they operate by the same code and they are somewhat used to each other after all these years.

It is we who cannot survive a transition. We are the milk cow tethered to the tree under which the Afghans can gather to cut a deal. America’s president has said — falsely in the event — that he was going to end the Iraq War but was going to persist in Afghanistan. America has sold a lot of expensive military equipment to the Afghans, on credit, which it doesn’t want to write off. America’s politicians have run up the flag on Afghanistan, assuming — without justification — that the place represents some threat to the United States, that we have an actual stake in the survival of Mr. Ghani’s government.

Has anyone looked at the map to see where Afghanistan is, in terms of assessing the threat to us that anything there can pose? We are so far now from 9/​11 that it should be put firmly on the shelf of history. If a new Osama bin Laden were cooking up something there against us, we would see it through overhead intelligence and take it out with drones or bombs. Afghanistan now is just one more war that we don’t know how to end, that we don’t know how to move beyond, almost 15 years later.

It is some generals’ ticket to rich post-retirement employment, some consultants’ basis for “wise” analysis, more cash for the defense industries or a flag for American politicians to wave as they lead us in the chant “USA, USA” or in silly promises of revisited greatness. Holding on to the bitter end in Afghanistan is not greatness. Greatness is having the sense to pull the plug before it becomes necessary to leave from the roof.

 All the signs are there.  All we have to do is be smart enough to read them and act before it is too late.

Dan Simpson, a former U.S. ambassador, is a Post-Gazette associate editor (dsimpson@post-gazette. com, 412-263-1976).

http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/columnists/2016/02/24/Dan-Simpson-Vietnam-redux/stories/201602230025