Topic: Meet Some War Heroes of Ukraine (In progress) - page 2. (Read 521 times)

these people for sure will not become war heroes in the long run, they litterally are fighting for an extremist ideology that is losing ground and foundation in the west (woke leftism)

you might cry around during the battle but you will never be able to win the war, for that you have simply not the long time overview, not even the jews that support and run these woke extremists like bill maher had an idea what they where doing, and are now abandoning it.

and last but not least, if antisemitism threatens israel, in the middle east, it doesnt make it saver to destroy arab states you get tribal areas that are antisemitic.

Do not bother, this guy is a Kremlin Troll. He has been posting fake and propaganda from "Putin's Ministry of Dark Humour and Fantasyland Tales". He just wants to make all the information seem doubtful.

That sentiment mirror's what Ritter says, and I don't dis-believe it (vis-a-vis the military as opposed to the paramilitaries or somewhat attached militias), but I'm not real interested in the fighting forces here on this thread.  I'm more interested in what can be deduced about the plans of the leaderships based on apparent conduct of the fighting forces.  And anything you might read into it about shifts in those plans.

On your subject, I have run across indications of some level of demoralization of the Ukrainian regulars.  I can say for sure that were I a regular and/or a conscript, the conduct of the more radical units would be pretty demoralizing to me which is why I said on the other thread that were I a Ukrainian regular, I would probably sell my Western supplied goodies to anyone who had money and wanted to buy.  If I was pretty sure I could get away with it of course.

Going farther along the 'oath' thread, I will say that when I was a quasi-conscripted 20-something obtaining my (first and only) NDSM, I was pretty demoralized at the first shipment back into the newly liberated Kuwait was a gold toilet for the king in order to replace the one looted by the Iraqis.  That wasn't the oath I signed.  At least not in my mind, and I am happy to 'be my own lawyer' on such subjects.  Back in those days there seem to have been a higher percentage of people who could think and read, and some of us were wondering aloud why we were clearing mines in order to restore a Monarchy.  The answer was that we first have to get the king restored to the thrown and then we can work on converting Kuwait to a democracy.  30+ years later and I have not seen much action on that front.

Without the benefits of actually reading the oaths...I would not automatically hold it against any Ukrainian soldier who lost faith in his oath and acted in his own interest.  I would not automatically hold it against any Russian soldier who did the same.  I personally was not really a very model soldier obviously, but I was effective at getting things accomplished if I felt like it.  That characteristic was more appreciated (and more well compensated) in the private sector

Thank you for your corrections and kind words. I pledge to check and recheck the sources of my story to enable me ascertain thier authenticity. I have also edited the post to ensure it's not giving out wrong information.

Be.open called this post a 'walk of fame' and that heading sounds unique and fits this topic. Hence, I have also edited the subject.
I have also concluded to embark on this walk of fame by reporting reliable stories of heroism in Ukraine and Russia. My intention is not to shame or praise any country because I reject war totally. But I am moved and motivated by common people accomplishing uncommon tasks.

I am sure it would be a most interesting adventure. Feel free to furnish me with such information.
I am really grateful

Thanks, although I don't think this is the right topic for an exchange of pleasantries. Despite the abundance of fakes in propaganda messages (or maybe even thanks to them - because they affect the morale of soldiers), Ukraine deserves to have its own wall of fame in this story. I respect military prowess, even if it is the prowess of the enemy. If a soldier fights bravely and remains faithful to his oath even in the face of an obviously stronger enemy, this is worthy of a man, regardless of the outcome of the battle.

Also interesting that several of the other examples are in a class of propaganda that bolster the contention that indeed Russia started out so careful about civilian casualties that they were not even allowed to fire upon civilians even when said (possible) civilians were attacking them with primitive and ineffective weapons.  Indeed, that was one of the main reasons I thought this whole thing may have been _completely_ staged in the beginning.

This conflict seems to me to be in significant part a civil war with the Donbass Ukrainians playing a pretty significant role (albeit completely at the pleasure of the Russians.)  Seems to me that Russia did indeed hope to foster as much 'hearts and minds' support as possible, then adjusted their tactics depending on how that panned out.  And that tells me that from the get-go they probably mostly wanted to achieve a vassal client state with certain parts of the former Ukraine.  Looks to me as they in the South, they might have just said 'Fuck it' and plan to control that area with whatever force and political structure might be necessary to do so when the dust settles.

be.interested to know your theories since you seem to be one of the very rare people here who have the analytical abilities to know and/or deduce anything about the goings-on on the ground.

It is curious that you started the walk of fame with a fake. On February 28, the Navy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine admitted that all 82 defenders of Snake Island had surrendered. At the end of March, they were exchanged during one of the first prisoner exchanges to take place, and some of them were even solemnly presented with their well-deserved "posthumous" awards personally.

By the way, according to article 117 of the Geneva Convention "No one repatriated can be used in active military service".

Although the invasion of Ukraine by Russia is far from over. But it is important we acknowledge some individuals or group of individuals that have shown uncommon courage and bravery. They are many but I have identified some of them and they are worth cerebrating.

1) The 13 Border Guides of Snake Island: These brave soldiers refused to surrender to the Russian Navy. They preferred to die as heroes than to surrender. When the Russian Navy onboard the the Moskva told these Ukrainian guides to surrender, their response was ' go f*** yourself'. The Moskva opened fire on them but they miraculously survived. After repelling the Russian military from taking the Island twice, they were captured. They have been identified as one the catalysts of the Ukrainian military gallantry.
https://mobile.facebook.com/navy.mil.gov.ua/posts/324444389723150?_rdc=1&_rdr

2) The unnamed Ukrainian Woman: Standing just a meter from an armed Russian soldier she was filmed angrily shouting at the soldier. She called the soldiers occupants, enemies and fascists. She gave sunflowers seeds to the soldier and advised them to put them in their pockets so that the seed will grow when they die in Ukraine.

3) The Ukrainian Crowd: During the early days of the war,  some Ukrainian marched against the convoy of Russian troops and tanks. Some of them even threw themselves on the road attempting to bloc Russias from advancing.

4) Vitaly Skakun: Destruction of the Henichesky bridge was the only war to stop the Russian tank from advancing. Due to some logistics challenge and time limitations there was no means of detonating the mine remotely or automatically. Anyone that would detonate the mine manually would not have the time to leave the area alive. Vitaly successful destroyed the bridge, but died from the explosion.

5) Yelena Osipova: This 76-year old refused to bow to the intimidation of Kremlin not to protest the invasion of Ukraine. Yelena was on the streets of St. Petersburg protesting and she was arrested by Russian riot police.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/02/25/heroes-ukraine-ordinary-people-fight-lives-russian-aggression/

6) Vitality Klitschko: Kremlin's major objective in Ukraine was to overthrow the government of Zelensky and install a pro-Russian president. For them to achieve this goal, Kyiv must fall. The task of defending Kyiv mainly fall on the shoulders Klitschko, best known as a boxing heavyweight champion. Refusing to leave Kyiv, he put his life at risk to defend Kyiv. Against all predictions of military experts his city withstood more than six weeks of Russian takeover causing the frustrated invaders to retreat in shame.