Topic: ★★★ MEMs LIST of GAMBLING SITES ★★★ - page 55. (Read 134926 times)

wow great work man, Ive bet on bit riches but never won. Good to know it is a scam so I wont waste anymore time on it.
Im at work right now, but will try to update the listing during my lunch break.

I think all that should be posted in its own thread also. Good work.

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A year ago this month a forum member named doood started a thread for his gambling site bitcointoss. Within a month he changed his forum nickname and also posted that he was no longer supporting the site

Bitcoin Toss - Flip a coin and win double your entry!
"As of now, I am no longer supporting this site"

After the first post below the next three post contain quotes from his original nickname "doood"






A year later bitcointoss and other sites of concern are consuming coins from trusting players. Those that lose may send more coins and try again and those that win wait for there coins to be sent back, but soon find that none are being sent, and then they find many other player with the same story

Attempts have been made to question wat is going on but with little contact information being provided if any on the sites there are very few details to assist in getting any answers.

Still dispensing addresses to anyone that request and still consuming coins from trusting bitcoin patrons

doood aka Alex Beckenham aka STIFF has yet to respond










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The post above shows dooods quotes now showing as "Alex Beckenham" after changing it that day or the day before. Then he states  he is no longer supporting the site. The post below he made two months later and that account hasn't been active since. His sites however are still running and been getting free adverting and support from the forum all year long







Sites like these are not offering enough details or contact information to even consider risking coins. They are stiffing people that are winning coins. How can they be trusted to run a fair game. Have to watch out for -EV prior to ever even gambling.




How many more coins must be scammed by this stiff? Let him come speak for himself. As I don't see this happening any post of doood tagged "Alex Beckenham" need to be and should of already been deleted. Every coin that these stiff sites scam players out of are coins that legit sites will never see.

Unfortunately fireduck does not seem interested in discussing this at this time, so it shall remain in pending until people are satisfied the game is fair.

PM'ed site admin on reddit and linked him to your comment for their input.
Shifting site to pending until we have a general consensus.

Thanks for the input

I'm not sure if there is anything that prevents them from sharing the secret. They could be playing themselves or sharing the secret. (I'm not saying they are but it doesn't appear to be as cheat proof as it appears at first glance)
There site says: "We don't release them right away, since they could be used to submit selective transactions and win bets unfairly." They know the secret and that in itself is a risk. Even if it is a small one.

just added http://1209k.com/bitcasino/

Announced here: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/s1dn3/my_verifiable_bitcoin_casino/

There was not a suggestion your site is not awesome to play I just had not had the chance to research your site further at the time. I have fixed that now .

Congrats on the great site and thanks for the extra info, site listing updating.

Hi Mem,

I'm the owner of StrikeSapphire and also a standing member of the forum. We've been running since July, 2011.

To clarify, as our accounts are denominated in USD once Bitcoins are deposited, our minimum bets are: $0.01 on Roulette, $0.02/0.04 in Poker, $0.05 in most slots and video poker games, and $0.10 in Craps.

Also, as far as mathematical verification -- if you mean full-blown auditing and certification as done by eCOGRA, or similar, then to my knowledge there is no currently operating Bitcoin casino which has gone through this (very expensive) process yet. However, we're the only casino we know of to publish every single hand of cards dealt, every roulette spin and craps roll, daily. It's available at https://strikesapphire.com/reports/ .

We've also made more in-depth data available to Jacobson Gaming, who (though not a full audit) has confirmed the results to be fair and random. See this thread at Casinomeister for a lot more info:

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/46964-possible-issue-blr-tech-casinos-craps-software-8.html

Moreover, we have lots of happy players around the forums who you can ask about our service. Our total return to player, since opening (including bonuses and freerolls) is a whopping 99.6% !

So, I hope you'll consider modifying our entry in the list to reflect that we *are* an awesome place to play... and I left one thing out: You should note that we're not open to players in the US. We get lots of complaints about it, but while we're based in Costa Rica, we comply with American law.

watch out for referral links

Agreed and should the owner contact me and resolve the ~12-15 outstanding payments I am owed, fix the game and if we see 1-2 weeks of no complaints then it should be removed from the scam list and returned to the main list.

Think of it as me putting an "Out of Order !" sign on a vending machine so the next person hoping to get a nice cold coke doesnt get ripped off.

Criteria is listed below, if you have a better category title for "other" games than other atm Im open to suggestions.

Normal List:
* mathematically proven.
* PVP
* other (can be anything provided you do not have payout issues or disputes of cheating).

to be considered a possible scam:

* Payout issues - yes even one.
* Questions raised about randomness that have not been sufficiently disproved.

Even though unconfirmed, it would be a bad idea to direct newbies to these sites until we can confirm.

to be considered a scam:

* Multiple payout issues.
* Game proven to cheat.

You dont pay ?, f**k you.
Someone bets 5btc and does not get paid but another user gets paid on their 0.05 btc bet ? f**k you.

Id rather err on the side of caution when refering people instead of erring on the side of not hurting potential scam artists feelings.

if betcoin.eu is unattended and failing to pay out periodically due to lack of administration then it is a scam as far as the end user is concerned. Certainly not by malicious intent, but a scam none the less and end users should be warned.

i think the same about bitcointoss... sure there's no admin around but i've been paid the two the small bets i've won. seems harsh if there's just some error on the site to call it a scam if the admin's away.

I'm not quite sure what kind of criteria you are using. Your choices are possible scam or mathematically proven?

For example http://betcoin.eu has been around a while. I imagine maybe the operator got bored and just let it run on it's own. Who knows, maybe he'll be back in this forum again (I think it's been a while since he signed on). But is it a possible scam? It's possible. Likely? Who knows. I guess that get's at my question about the criteria. I know exactly how to make a program that works exactly like http://betcoin.eu but can give fake payouts to me every so often. That doesn't make http://betcoin.eu a scam though. But proven? I think only a few games here can be demonstrated to be cheat proof. Bitcoin-Kamikaze.com, https://bitjack21.com/, and mine are the few that I can think of off the top of my head that fit such category.

*I'm biased* but "dream island lottery" is probably an unknown. They are missing many important points. How the winner is picked in a fair way for example. They also seem to say to just send BTC without any mention of ewallets or anything.

added bitjack (confirmed)
added backcoin (confirmed)

added dream island lottery (pending)

over 48h now and now and no response from betcoin.eu - it will be shifted to POSSIBLE SCAMS in another 48h.

I see there are a lot of ponzi and pyramid games running around, I feel they should not be part of a newbie list as by their nature they are scams - thoughts ?

thanks for sites and min bets all list quickly updated, now I should be in bed.

I see you also show the min bet.  For BetsOfBitco.in the minimum bet is 0.1 BTC.

Seals is very newbie friendly. Freerolls (prize awarded but no charge to play) every hour on the hour and cheap tournament runs on every half hour usually with 10-20 players.

Today at 4pm ET is a 100BTC guaranteed prize pool tournament too btw.

https://strikesapphire.com/?afc=2hi19WO713

lol...every single site listed is older and smaller than BTCSportsBet.com. If you are going to make a list like this, at least do a little research. It has been around since Jan 2011 and handles thousands of BTC a month - everyone has been paid of course.