‘Merciful’ Church Forgives HIV-Infected Catholic Priest Who Raped 30 Children - page 2.

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Quote from: StefanReed on May 09, 2017, 02:32:15 PM

This is not an excuse for this pastor. How all these people can be forgiven. The bastard ruined the lives of so many children. I believe that people like him should not be forgiven and to be executed. The Pope I was very disappointed.

Here are the latest developments:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3799005/Catholic-Church-ACQUITS-Mexican-priest-admitted-raping-30-young-girls-knew-infected-HIV.html

I agree that this cleric must be punished, and probably castrated or emasculated. But now, lets think about the methods to be taken, to prevent a repetition of similar incidents in the future. Perhaps children should not be allowed to visit Catholic priests without an accompanying adult.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 08, 2017, 09:00:37 PM

Quote from: JerryWinski on May 08, 2017, 03:47:45 PM

The biggest joke is the parents of the 30 children who do nothing. If it was my daughter you would find yourself dead in a pool of your own blood if you even tried to stop me. If I could get my hands on this guy I would tie his ankles to my rear bumper and drag him around town for a few hours. During Sunday mass.

Fuck religion.

Don't blame the parents or the children. Most of the children were either orphans or from broken families. The church was supposed to look after them. But in the end they got HIV from the clergy.

Holy fuck even worse! So now I gotta drag the entire clergy behind my car, around town, on a Sunday afternoon.. Shit I'm gonna have to top up with high octane gasoline for more horsepower. Gotta pull all those bloody parts ya know. Tongue

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Did anyone RTFA? Even the sensationalist link mentions that the diocese doesn't have a priest by that name.

The abuse by the church has been horrible, but there's no need to make it up.

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Quote from: Prem.Soorajpaul on May 09, 2017, 12:28:54 PM

Quote from: merchantofzeny on May 09, 2017, 10:34:51 AM

Unlikely, at least not mentioning it on public. That's basically telling everyone "Oh look, one of our pedophile priests infected these kids and now they'll have to take meds for life, which your humble servant the Church is willing to provide as atonement for our sins of tolerating pedophilia among ranks,".

This can be done without much media attention. The kids can be moved to some remote rural healthcare center run by the Catholic church. The ARVs are getting cheaper now. I am sure that the church will not have to spend a fortune to treat these kids.

This is not an excuse for this pastor. How all these people can be forgiven. The bastard ruined the lives of so many children. I believe that people like him should not be forgiven and to be executed. The Pope I was very disappointed.

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Quote from: merchantofzeny on May 09, 2017, 10:34:51 AM

Unlikely, at least not mentioning it on public. That's basically telling everyone "Oh look, one of our pedophile priests infected these kids and now they'll have to take meds for life, which your humble servant the Church is willing to provide as atonement for our sins of tolerating pedophilia among ranks,".

This can be done without much media attention. The kids can be moved to some remote rural healthcare center run by the Catholic church. The ARVs are getting cheaper now. I am sure that the church will not have to spend a fortune to treat these kids.

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Quote from: ikilledcobain on May 09, 2017, 11:08:56 AM

First of all, the Catholic Church isn't the government in Mexico. It doesn't have any legal jurisdiction.

Second of all, there's no record of said priest in that diocese: http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/does-the-mexican-priest-who-allegedly-abused-minors-even-exist-95510/

Terrible for me to contemplate that the Pope could do so. After that, he is not my authority. If a person is willing to forgive for such crimes he is complicit. If tomorrow this or another priest will repeat such a crime to judge it at the Pope as the instigator of the crime.

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Is this even real? If yes... disgusting monster priest and an even more disgusting Vatican. I've only heard cases like this spoken in hushed tones but they really outdid themselves here. And what is the Mexican government doing? Rape is still a criminal offense.

Yes, its absolutely appalling. We all knew, that Mexico is struggling with systematic corruption, but the fact that its leading institution on matters of morals and faith is no better than liberal cultists elsewhere in the world speaks volume on how much it regressed. Not only does Catholic Church ignore laws of host country, it also explicitly goes against holy gospel it swore to upkeep and protect. Shameful.

Only bright side I can see in all of this is, that more people will learn about the incident and hold both "priest" and church of golden bullion accountable. No man or institution shall stand above laws of nature.

Does Mexico have a secular constitution? I thought it was a bit less conservative than my country coz I heard abortion and divorce are legal there. I would understand if the Church is really given powers that this abuse might just be accepted if not, why are they not even trying to prosecute that, that thing?!

Every country should make it illegal for the Church, and any religious institution at that, to just shuffle around their erring clergy.

Wrong line of questioning. Anything is possible in Mexico con la mordida.

http://mexicomatters.net/retirementmexico/04_bribeslamordidainmexico.php

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Quote from: Okurkabinladin on May 08, 2017, 02:10:02 PM

Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on May 08, 2017, 02:03:59 PM

Is this even real? If yes... disgusting monster priest and an even more disgusting Vatican. I've only heard cases like this spoken in hushed tones but they really outdid themselves here. And what is the Mexican government doing? Rape is still a criminal offense.

Yes, its absolutely appalling. We all knew, that Mexico is struggling with systematic corruption, but the fact that its leading institution on matters of morals and faith is no better than liberal cultists elsewhere in the world speaks volume on how much it regressed. Not only does Catholic Church ignore laws of host country, it also explicitly goes against holy gospel it swore to upkeep and protect. Shameful.

Only bright side I can see in all of this is, that more people will learn about the incident and hold both "priest" and church of golden bullion accountable. No man or institution shall stand above laws of nature.

Does Mexico have a secular constitution? I thought it was a bit less conservative than my country coz I heard abortion and divorce are legal there. I would understand if the Church is really given powers that this abuse might just be accepted if not, why are they not even trying to prosecute that, that thing?!

Every country should make it illegal for the Church, and any religious institution at that, to just shuffle around their erring clergy.

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Quote from: kirch on May 08, 2017, 12:25:06 PM

A Catholic priest infected with HIV raped 30 girl children aged between 5 and 10, and has been acquitted by the church after he admitted to the heinous crime.

Jose Garcia Ataulfo, was cleared of any wrong-doing and won't face any criminal charges. This decision comes in the light of an announcement by Pope Francis that the church would aim to be “more merciful” by reducing penalties for paedophile priests. Just how will they do this? Relocate them to a different church in order to offer them support rather than punishing them.

In this case, the Vatican even declared that "the matter is closed" when the mother of one of the victims sought an audience with the Pope in Rome to discuss the case. Only two out of the 30 rape victims have come forward to denounce the acquittal.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1839134/catholic-church-acquits-hiv-positive-priest-who-admitted-raping-30-young-mexican-girls-and-cops-are-refusing-to-investigate/

The problem with this story is ....

I can see being forgiving. But this guy's bosses in his Vatican operation aren't the ones who should be deciding. The likes of you and me should be. Maybe on a jury, maybe as individuals.

The other problem with this story is they don't state how much the payoffs were.

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First of all, the Catholic Church isn't the government in Mexico. It doesn't have any legal jurisdiction.

Second of all, there's no record of said priest in that diocese: http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/does-the-mexican-priest-who-allegedly-abused-minors-even-exist-95510/

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 09, 2017, 03:19:39 AM

Quote from: Xester on May 09, 2017, 03:10:06 AM

The Roman Catholic Church teaches mercy and forgiveness and that is why the Pope cannot condemned the priest but give them mercy and second chance. It is not wrong to give mercy to the ones who have done wrong but the error of the Roman Catholic is that they have given welfare and counselling to the rape victims so they can overcome their trauma and they can face the world again.

The rape victims need welfare and counselling. But before that they need the anti-retrovirals to slow down the progress of HIV. Will the Vatican fund their medical treatment? According to some sources, the Catholic church is the richest organization in the earth, with assets worth some $30 trillion (10% of the world's net wealth).

Unlikely, at least not mentioning it on public. That's basically telling everyone "Oh look, one of our pedophile priests infected these kids and now they'll have to take meds for life, which your humble servant the Church is willing to provide as atonement for our sins of tolerating pedophilia among ranks,".

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Quote from: Okurkabinladin on May 08, 2017, 03:44:27 PM

Quote from: mindrust on May 08, 2017, 03:14:32 PM

Quote from: Okurkabinladin on May 08, 2017, 01:13:05 PM

The Bible prescribes the death penalty for the following activities, among others:

   Murder
   Adultery
   Bestiality
   Rape of a virgin

Source: Deuteronomy 22:22-27

Fuck bible.

We live in 2017, not medieval ages and you are still talking about death penalty, as expected from a bible following barbarian.

You don't kill criminals, you throw them into jail forever till they are dead. That's how you handle them. No electric chair, no drugs, no hanging... Jail. We are not an African tribe, lighten up.

Bible written by Humans, it made sense for its time but not now. Time has changed. Bible is outdated. (the others also) We have internet now, you can find any information you want. Update yourself to our age or die as a bigot.

Do you realize you sound just like an average Muslim btw?

Fuck bible? Fuck you.

This is your liberal left world with Catholic Church being one of its many victims, that we live in. Not mine. People of the Book regardless if they call themselves Christians, Muslims or Jews will restore natural order. You, "progressive" cultists are already dying out all over the world. You claim to worship "human rights" but in practice you worship death.

Restoration of capital punishment is not in order, because people should enjoy it. It is in order, because it works. Because all men are equal in birth and death with none standing above God. Your broken moral compass grants more rights to criminals and pathologically insane, than to their victims. Secular progressives at work in United Kingdom:

Liberalism is only good as long as it's not used against you. RIP Western Europe.

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Quote from: Xester on May 09, 2017, 03:10:06 AM

The Roman Catholic Church teaches mercy and forgiveness and that is why the Pope cannot condemned the priest but give them mercy and second chance. It is not wrong to give mercy to the ones who have done wrong but the error of the Roman Catholic is that they have given welfare and counselling to the rape victims so they can overcome their trauma and they can face the world again.

The rape victims need welfare and counselling. But before that they need the anti-retrovirals to slow down the progress of HIV. Will the Vatican fund their medical treatment? According to some sources, the Catholic church is the richest organization in the earth, with assets worth some $30 trillion (10% of the world's net wealth).

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Quote from: kirch on May 08, 2017, 12:25:06 PM

A Catholic priest infected with HIV raped 30 girl children aged between 5 and 10, and has been acquitted by the church after he admitted to the heinous crime.

Jose Garcia Ataulfo, was cleared of any wrong-doing and won't face any criminal charges. This decision comes in the light of an announcement by Pope Francis that the church would aim to be “more merciful” by reducing penalties for paedophile priests. Just how will they do this? Relocate them to a different church in order to offer them support rather than punishing them.

In this case, the Vatican even declared that "the matter is closed" when the mother of one of the victims sought an audience with the Pope in Rome to discuss the case. Only two out of the 30 rape victims have come forward to denounce the acquittal.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1839134/catholic-church-acquits-hiv-positive-priest-who-admitted-raping-30-young-mexican-girls-and-cops-are-refusing-to-investigate/

The Roman Catholic Church teaches mercy and forgiveness and that is why the Pope cannot condemned the priest but give them mercy and second chance. It is not wrong to give mercy to the ones who have done wrong but the error of the Roman Catholic is that they have given welfare and counselling to the rape victims so they can overcome their trauma and they can face the world again.

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It is really sad and at the same time shameful that these monsters with human face instead of be condemned in an exemplary way so that in the future same incidents being avoided unfortunately they are mercifully treated and church pays to give them medication. Unfortunately, neither courts nor governments do anything particularly in small and poor countries because they are paid by the church.

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Quote from: JerryWinski on May 08, 2017, 03:47:45 PM

The biggest joke is the parents of the 30 children who do nothing. If it was my daughter you would find yourself dead in a pool of your own blood if you even tried to stop me. If I could get my hands on this guy I would tie his ankles to my rear bumper and drag him around town for a few hours. During Sunday mass.

Fuck religion.

Don't blame the parents or the children. Most of the children were either orphans or from broken families. The church was supposed to look after them. But in the end they got HIV from the clergy.

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Poor priest. Got HIV from the kids.

Just the same, anyone doing this even once should be executed.

This shows that the church is not a church you would want to be part of.

Cool

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Mindrust,

I am neither Arab, nor muslim.

Now, indeed leave. Go defend "human rights" of rapists somewhere else.

The Bible, common sense and parental love are all in line on this. Child rape is mortal sin worthy of capital punishment. Only heathen and sick will defend its perpetrator against justice and only his victim has authority to forgive the beast. Its not your call and the fallen priest will face judgement. Eitheir in this life or after it.

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Quote from: mindrust on May 08, 2017, 03:50:52 PM

Quote from: zend7 on May 08, 2017, 03:38:57 PM

Quote from: mindrust on May 08, 2017, 03:28:10 PM

Quote from: zend7 on May 08, 2017, 03:22:51 PM

Quote from: mindrust on May 08, 2017, 03:14:32 PM

Quote from: Okurkabinladin on May 08, 2017, 01:13:05 PM

The Bible prescribes the death penalty for the following activities, among others:

   Murder
   Adultery
   Bestiality
   Rape of a virgin

Source: Deuteronomy 22:22-27

Fuck bible.

We live in 2017, not medieval ages and you are still talking about death penalty, as expected from a bible following barbarian.

You don't kill criminals, you throw them into jail forever till they are dead. That's how you handle them. No electric chair, no drugs, no hanging... Jail. We are not an African tribe, lighten up.

Bible written by Humans, it made sense for its time but not now. Time has changed. Bible is outdated. (the others also) We have internet now, you can find any information you want. Update yourself to our age or die as a bigot.

Do you realize you sound just like an average Muslim btw?

I think that death penalty is needed in these cases. Just make a few examples and you will see that no more pedophile priests will try to do these extremely nasty acts. These kind of persons do not deserve to live, in fact I don't understand the FBI or CIA or the governments which keeps these human trash alive in their prisons.

Why don't go join to ISIS? You can make yourself a living there. Because that's exactly the same reasoning with their belief.

If someone raped somebody? Cut his dick off.
Someone stole something? Cut his stealing hand off.
Someone murdered? Hang (behead most likely) him at the city center.

Is this what you want?

Maybe they are extreme punishments the ones you are saying, but they are effective. Since you put up all punishments from Saudi Arabia let me reply you with some statistics from this country which many people believe is abusing human rights and maybe they are but :

There are about 6 killings in a year in Saudi Arabia, this number is clearly higher in a single day in some European countries and especially in the USA. (It is looking effective that they hang the killer for 3 days in the city center, only 6 kills in a year)

There are no rapes reported in Saudi Arabia from many years.

P.S: I am a Christian but honestly I like their justice system. Because it is effective, clearly in my country Italy we don't have it yet.

No rapes in SA?

It seems you have no problems with marrying <10 kids. You don't consider this as a rape?

You have no problems with having 4 wives?

I am sick all of you. I'm out. Sickfucks. I don't want to never ever see this thread again. Have s shit day.

Relax and try to understand what I write. I agree with their justice system but I do not agree with their way of life, I do not agree with polygamy and marrying a girl since when she is 9 years old. That is what I am against, I think we Western Developed countries should borrow their justice system and add it to our liberal way of life. You can live like you want but know that if you do some errors big punishments are waiting for you. That would be good for our countries.

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Quote from: zend7 on May 08, 2017, 03:38:57 PM

Quote from: mindrust on May 08, 2017, 03:28:10 PM

Quote from: zend7 on May 08, 2017, 03:22:51 PM

Quote from: mindrust on May 08, 2017, 03:14:32 PM

Quote from: Okurkabinladin on May 08, 2017, 01:13:05 PM

The Bible prescribes the death penalty for the following activities, among others:

   Murder
   Adultery
   Bestiality
   Rape of a virgin

Source: Deuteronomy 22:22-27

Fuck bible.

We live in 2017, not medieval ages and you are still talking about death penalty, as expected from a bible following barbarian.

You don't kill criminals, you throw them into jail forever till they are dead. That's how you handle them. No electric chair, no drugs, no hanging... Jail. We are not an African tribe, lighten up.

Bible written by Humans, it made sense for its time but not now. Time has changed. Bible is outdated. (the others also) We have internet now, you can find any information you want. Update yourself to our age or die as a bigot.

Do you realize you sound just like an average Muslim btw?

I think that death penalty is needed in these cases. Just make a few examples and you will see that no more pedophile priests will try to do these extremely nasty acts. These kind of persons do not deserve to live, in fact I don't understand the FBI or CIA or the governments which keeps these human trash alive in their prisons.

Why don't go join to ISIS? You can make yourself a living there. Because that's exactly the same reasoning with their belief.

If someone raped somebody? Cut his dick off.
Someone stole something? Cut his stealing hand off.
Someone murdered? Hang (behead most likely) him at the city center.

Is this what you want?

Maybe they are extreme punishments the ones you are saying, but they are effective. Since you put up all punishments from Saudi Arabia let me reply you with some statistics from this country which many people believe is abusing human rights and maybe they are but :

There are about 6 killings in a year in Saudi Arabia, this number is clearly higher in a single day in some European countries and especially in the USA. (It is looking effective that they hang the killer for 3 days in the city center, only 6 kills in a year)

There are no rapes reported in Saudi Arabia from many years.

P.S: I am a Christian but honestly I like their justice system. Because it is effective, clearly in my country Italy we don't have it yet.

No rapes in SA?

It seems you have no problems with marrying <10 kids. You don't consider this as a rape?

You have no problems with having 4 wives?

I am sick all of you. I'm out. Sickfucks. I don't want to never ever see this thread again. Have s shit day.

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