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Topic: Merit against spam: reward spam reporters & punish spammers (Read 611 times)

legendary
Activity: 1582
Merit: 1059
nutildah-III / NFT2021-04-01
- It would be appreciated by those good-willed Newbies and Juniors who are actually trying to do something useful for the forum, even without necessarily posting rocket science or Nobel Prize in Literature quality, to get a little bit higher in rank. You just can't expect people who are new to crypto, to post HQ topics and replies but at least they can earn some Merits while they are growing and learning. The reward would be nice but not disproportional, because if they wish to grow in rank, they will actually need to report 500 posts which is A LOT. So they will be helping to keep the forums tidy whilst being discouraged to post spam for which they risk to lose Merit again.
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- And to those goldseekers who don't care about interesting topics, involvement or participation, and who came here only to get bounty signature money we now could say: you are most welcome to this forum and can stay a Newbie forever, but if you want to get a higher rank, you'll have to get your hands dirty and work for the forum by reporting spam.

Since the last post in this thread which I wrote about two years ago, not a lot has changed. It's because of a few recent threads in the Meta boards, that I decided to necrobump this thread.

I'd especially like to remind the suggestions I quoted above which apply especially to low-ranked members: if on one side, JetCash talks about more and more Newbies who are begging (even via PM) for Merit, and on the other, members are complaining about the increasing level of spam, why can't we think of a way of stimulating members to report spam?

I think I really tried to make a lot of possible suggestions in my OP back then, but they were apparently not enough too actually get enough support. In that case, feel free to suggest other ways of increasing spam reporting.
sr. member
Activity: 1148
Merit: 307
Most likely he is working on it. One merit for 500 good report isn't big deal for forum. I don't think new people will encourage to make report only for single merit.
Now imagine this:
-bots create 10,000 accounts
-bots start spamming "great project" with 10,000 accounts
-1000 bots start reporting the other 9000 accounts
-1000 bots turn Jr. Member and continue spamming with signature
-Mods run away screaming

I was about to post this same idea, but then decided to first read if anyone had already thought about that - and here you are (damn, it could have been me to get those 8 merit - Lol)
As a matter of principle I think there is a true value in the OP idea, this should be recognized, but the difficulty of enabling such a mechanism in the real world would range from the extremely difficult to the impossible - I'm afraid.
jr. member
Activity: 98
Merit: 2
So in conclusion, if getting rid of ALL spam is not the plan, please remind me why I should continue to report ANY spam.
The forum is never going to be an utopia,as there happens to be no utopia world/organisation,but that doesn't mean we wouldn't do our best to make it come close to that,so making reports and clearing up garbage to at least a reasonable level is quite acceptable..
No system or rules can be put in place that'll totally end spam on the forum for good
legendary
Activity: 1554
Merit: 2037
So in conclusion, if getting rid of ALL spam is not the plan, please remind me why I should continue to report ANY spam.

It is a never ending battle, and it will continue to be so long as someone somewhere can eek out a profit by spamming the shit out of this forum.

The reason you and anyone else who enjoys being here or has gotten anything of benefit out of being here; is just that. The forum has the tools (or at least some tools) for us to help fight spam and clean this place up. I use them because I get a lot out of this forum and enjoy coming here. If I'm not willing to actively participate in reporting, then I'd feel shitty earning anything from this site and coming here whenever I have a problem. I do both quite frequently. It's just a part of being a member of this fairly dysfunctional semi functional community group of people, and I don't think there needs to be any reward involved just awareness that it helps.

Here's what I see happening either people continue reporting and look at it like a side quest in a video game, just something you do along the way to whatever you where here to do in the first place. When that stops or the number of members dwindles to levels where it doesn't make a difference, the forum gets over run people leave, or theymos goes nuclear on the trash and we see where the chips/signatures/ico's/advertising land.

so what else can we do other than convert all our BTC into BCH and leave).

ROFL

Would that be ABC or SV, the world desperately needs to know  Tongue
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
So in conclusion, if getting rid of ALL spam is not the plan, please remind me why I should continue to report ANY spam.

We'll never get rid of ALL spam. We keep reporting because at this time it's the best we can do to make the forum cleaner, even if a little bit. We can also use merits for some positive incentive. If theymos comes up with other tools for us to use we'll do that too (sounds a bit brown-nosy but he is the dictator of the forum so what else can we do other than convert all our BTC into BCH and leave).
hero member
Activity: 1442
Merit: 629
Vires in Numeris
Most likely he is working on it. One merit for 500 good report isn't big deal for forum. I don't think new people will encourage to make report only for single merit.
Now imagine this:
-bots create 10,000 accounts
-bots start spamming "great project" with 10,000 accounts
-1000 bots start reporting the other 9000 accounts
-1000 bots turn Jr. Member and continue spamming with signature
-Mods run away screaming
And this has been discussed every month this year nearly...
I myself has also suggested this in April and realized later that this is not a good idea...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/idea-a-merit-after-reporting-10-or-20-copypasters-3275350
The thing is, that those people who are not about to abuse systems, don't even think that someone is willing to abuse the system... But later you realize that there are a lot of users who are just here to abuse this forum...
legendary
Activity: 1582
Merit: 1059
nutildah-III / NFT2021-04-01
This would only be a temporary phenomenon, until all spam and all spammers are out forever.
The more spamming is going in ANN threads. All the bounty hunters are not spammers but all the ANN threads bumpers are spammers. Therefore, you can't remove spammers at all, ever.

OK.

So in conclusion, if getting rid of ALL spam is not the plan, please remind me why I should continue to report ANY spam.
sr. member
Activity: 308
Merit: 280
This would only be a temporary phenomenon, until all spam and all spammers are out forever.
The more spamming is going in ANN threads. All the bounty hunters are not spammers but all the ANN threads bumpers are spammers. Therefore, you can't remove spammers at all, ever.
legendary
Activity: 1582
Merit: 1059
nutildah-III / NFT2021-04-01
Now imagine this:
-bots create 10,000 accounts
-bots start spamming "great project" with 10,000 accounts
-1000 bots start reporting the other 9000 accounts
-1000 bots turn Jr. Member and continue spamming with signature
-Mods run away screaming
For now, helping one another to report spam post and the plagiarist users would be a great form of help for the forum. This could not be easily done with few users to attain a good discussions for the forum. I can be a help of this too OP do not worry tine will come that the reporting habit will make a way cleansing the forum.

Indeed everyone should report, and rewarding reporters and punishing spammers would be the best way, I think, to clean up all that spam.

Of course there would be A LOT of reports. But that's because there are A LOT of spammers on this forum. This would only be a temporary phenomenon, until all spam and all spammers are out forever.

They are here, spamming for bounties, well then, as I said in the OP, attack them where it hurts: take away their Merits so they cannot participate in bounties (as long as they keep spamming).
full member
Activity: 924
Merit: 221
Now imagine this:
-bots create 10,000 accounts
-bots start spamming "great project" with 10,000 accounts
-1000 bots start reporting the other 9000 accounts
-1000 bots turn Jr. Member and continue spamming with signature
-Mods run away screaming
Is it really possible that bots could make into this forum? I do not understand what is the purpose of captcha if bots in the forum could still make it to access in the forum. Indeed it will be really difficult for the admin to take on this bots one by one considering a huge numbers of bots in the forum. If really this does excess then OP's post about reporting will be useless. It is not tha easy though to report users that are spamming in tge forum. Anyway, I do believe that admin are acting on this already so it will be just a matter of time that these bots will going to dissolve.

For now, helping one another to report spam post and the plagiarist users would be a great form of help for the forum. This could not be easily done with few users to attain a good discussions for the forum. I can be a help of this too OP do not worry tine will come that the reporting habit will make a way cleansing the forum.
member
Activity: 245
Merit: 20
The main thing here is not to overdo it, as the reporters themselves can turn into spammers. Cheesy Roll Eyes
member
Activity: 448
Merit: 60
imagine me
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You speak spamer, is this post below yours?
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Those posts were from the old days.

I do have bounty posts, if you also consider it as a spam.

One merit for 500 good report isn't big deal for forum. I don't think new people will encourage to make report only for single merit.
Now imagine this:
-bots create 10,000 accounts
-bots start spamming "great project" with 10,000 accounts
-1000 bots start reporting the other 9000 accounts
-1000 bots turn Jr. Member and continue spamming with signature
-Mods run away screaming
My God - The Horror!!!
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Imagine the designated mods on altcoin board, they would be like:

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legendary
Activity: 2128
Merit: 1775
Please also tell me what a spamer is.
The meaning of Spam:
I will explore the notion of spammers and examples,
Actors are spammers, in other words spam spreaders are called spamming, such as blog spam, instant spam, spam wikis, spam web search engines, etc.
meaning forum spam, spam comments are usually comments that are nonsense / nonsense, or there is no connection with the topic, of course there are dangers and losses caused by spam.

My dictionary doesn't recognize it.

Oxford English dictionary in 1998,
enter the word spam as a new vocabulary that has the meaning: "Message meaningless or inappropriate sent to the Internet on a number of newsgroups or users."

Or do you just like cutting of the heads of people who stick their necks out?

Aware or not the rules for warning methods are already in the forum.
It's not me who cuts the head and neck, the performers themselves do it themselves.

Oh and don't forget to report my posts to the mods!

Sorry I'm not gayy who likes to suck dick.
Mod experts in assessing, do not have to bother to go up the stairs with less clear goals.
sr. member
Activity: 728
Merit: 265
I guess the best way to punish spammers is to prevent them from posting again on the same board where they have been reported as "Spam" for couple of times, the time span should be more than a day or for worst is to prevent that user again from posting on that board.

If merit is the ultimate reward on reporting the report status to all mods will likely be a stampede, you know, the hunger pangs of individuals to merit.
full member
Activity: 812
Merit: 124
There are a ton of people who report posts, catch scammers, expose scam ICO projects and they do not recieve any merit, or very less. Yet if you take a look at the admins merits recieved you will see they exchange massive ammounts of merits for basically shitposting. This is a sad reality and if you don;t feel your work is appreciated you should stop doing it.
legendary
Activity: 3234
Merit: 1375
Slava Ukraini!
First of all, such system would be abused easily as you can see from LoyceV example that he posted. Bad guys would be able to obtain merit in easy way and later sell it on black market or feed their own alts.
Secondly, merit is needed to reward quality posts only. If you want merit you need to make good posts, contribute and etc. I don't think that additional ways to get Merit is needed. Especially when theymos said that special badges will be given to most active reporters. Few most activer reporters like Welsh or Flying Helfish was already appointed as moderators. And I think that these users who are reporting spam aren't looking how to benefit from it. They just want to help mods and have cleaner forum. They expect to get Merit or other benefit for this activity.
hero member
Activity: 1596
Merit: 534
Most likely he is working on it. One merit for 500 good report isn't big deal for forum. I don't think new people will encourage to make report only for single merit.
Now imagine this:
-bots create 10,000 accounts
-bots start spamming "great project" with 10,000 accounts
-1000 bots start reporting the other 9000 accounts
-1000 bots turn Jr. Member and continue spamming with signature
-Mods run away screaming

My God - The Horror!!!

You mods seriously have your hands full with... lots of bot shit.
Everywhere I go its always bots nowadays. It's like there is no real efficient way to deal with it.


My simple suggestion would be to have Newbie - Jr. Member rank take more merit, like 5. With just 1, it seems like too much power and too easy to achieve.
legendary
Activity: 1582
Merit: 1059
nutildah-III / NFT2021-04-01
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You speak spamer, is this post below yours?
(...)
Have you included one of the people who didn't do a spamer?
All there are important rules to read: [Topic: FAQ: Everything you need to know about forum 'activity, account ranks and merit] all spammers are lost.


Wow dude, that's the first time someone reminded me of those posts! Shocked

Oh wait, it's not! I've responded to this before, but you didn't really bother to actually read the threads or even the OP, did you? Reading is exhausting, isn't it, so I'll quote my post for you.

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Hmmm yes. That's spectacular investigative journalism, man. Did it occur to you (even for a second) that replying to these nonsense posts with complete sarcasm was exactly the purpose? Roll Eyes

Surely you did notice that, back then, I couldn't even participate in signature bounties, because I was still a Newbie. Cool Eventually I quit the sarcasm and started reporting these posts. Mostly not because it was spam, but because people like you didn't understand my replies were meant to be sarcastic.

Oh but please go on with your list. Surprise us.

You are probably living in one of those countries where sarcasm hasn't been imported yet, so I forgive you. Please also tell me what a spamer is. My dictionary doesn't recognize it.

So, do you actually have something useful to add to my proposition for getting rid of spam? Or do you just like cutting of the heads of people who stick their necks out?

Oh and don't forget to report my posts to the mods!

(DISCLAIMER I've hidden a bit of sarcasm in this post)
legendary
Activity: 2128
Merit: 1775

If you want to get Merits fast, write useful posts. That's what Merit was meant for in the first place.

Of course all bitcointalk members / goals and hope for the best and the results of posts that are also useful, the results are Merit.
Admin / Mod from the beginning has done it with a system of forum rules and away from spammers, of course that was discussed.

You speak spamer, is this post below yours?

18k Smiley
Yes.
Whatever you do... don't fall asleep... Cuz when you wake up, the markets are blood-red (again)...
Original question, OP. Thx for that.
Oooh I'd wish. But no. Why would it?
KMD.
Have you included one of the people who didn't do a spamer?
All there are important rules to read: [Topic: FAQ: Everything you need to know about forum 'activity, account ranks and merit] all spammers are lost.
legendary
Activity: 2100
Merit: 1167
MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
Reporter badge already has proposed by admin. Most likely he is working on it. One merit for 500 good report isn't big deal for forum. I don't think new people will encourage to make report only for single merit. Those can make 500 good report they can make one quality post and will receive more than one merit. So merit is not main fact for that. Those are reporting now they will continue even there is no reward. Actually we are reporting what we don't like really. Obviously its good for forum.

On the other hand detect spam post will very hard for spambie. So they will report wrong post and mod will too busy. It will be more better if we can motivate peoples for make good post. Even here is merit system peoples still doing spam so we can't stop spammer by the way. Just we can try to motivate them.


But who wants a reporter badge ? seriously the psychology of that is just not great.

I face serious scammers and scamming projects face on. Spammers and sig chasers are often probably desperate and poor individuals/kids who i do not feel good about reporting at all. Or if they are bots you will never stop them with reporting because they don't need any requirement to shill post with others fake conversations for the icos coding them out.

I would rather have myself a promoter badge  or something to indicate I am giving merits to worthy people from the junior boards I would introduce. Or rather just one board that is clearly clearly needed an alt discussion junior board. Senior alt board ( current one would require 5 or 10 merit to post on)

the alt discussion board is the one that has been destroyed... bitcoin discussion is still usable really.

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