Topic: Merit & new rank requirements - page 199. (Read 167726 times)

Genuine users wont post "nice project" or any two random words message

Like this https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.30006038

That's the whole purpose of the merit system: giving you a tool to do it.

Fact is, you can't.
And what's more, those "scammers" are much likely already inside the system.

Yeah, in theory you post "quality" messages, you'll get rewarded.

In reality people do not send a lot of merit, slowing down by at least 100x the ranking up, for any reason - there are few merit sources here and they get a refill once a month.
Other people will judge your posts and for any reason will not send you merit even if you'll explain why the grass is green and the wind is never seen...
It won't stop in any way the spam.
Merit won't induce me to browse this forum and partecipate in any discussion I just don't want to partecipate.
And that won't stop legendary that just want to cheat, not to cheat.

How will you differentiate between genuine users and scammers doing the same thing (sending invitations) ?

I think closing the acceptance of new members is a logical solution. One day a month there must be a new membership and the date of this date should not be announced in advance. Every month must be a random day.

I don't mean any offence to either the merit recipient or the merit givers. But I believe this post is an example of the unexpected consequences of the merit system as implemented:

The post of suchmoon has received a rather significant amount of merits, which, I dare to say, reflect agreement with the opinion, rather than the quality of the post.

Again, this is not to critique the comment of suchmoon. I hole-heartedly agree with it. Also, everybody has their own reasons why they give their sMerits to somebody.

But I also don't believe the comment provided can be regarded as a "high-quality" post, in the original sense of what the sMerit system is expected to encourage.

If the merits are then being used to award simply for stating an opinion one is agreement with, then over time this will lead to the messages becoming biased towards the "majority opinion", and will not have much relevance with the quality of the post per se. (Again, I don't mean to imply that the post above is bad quality. But I also fail to see that it would be of such high quality deserving all the merits it received)

Unfortunatly I also can't offer up a remedy at this point in time, as with any such system it will always be possible to award an opinion expressed in a message rather than the quality of the message.

People are obviously not understanding the merit system. This is intended for people to stop posting generic comments, spam, one line comments or useless opinions just to rank up. There's nothing wrong with one line comments, there are multiple times that is much better to be concise and straight forward and you can still have merit for an opinion like that. That's why the name "merit" you have to earn it. You have to participative, more collaborative, more useful, help each other and grow as a community. Merit is not a dead failure, is a system that will make this community grow as a whole with content and users that make a valuable forum.

You getting angry with more "advance members" because they were lucky to register their accounts long ago and be able to achieve the rank they currently are easier, is the same as if you would get angry of people grabbing bitcoin at $10. Of course it was easier to have 100 BTC back then, is much harder now with more people interested in it. The same goes with a higher rank in the forum, the more people are interested in it, the more scarce and valuable it becomes. Simple golden rule of supply and demand. Time is the most valuable measure of opportunity you can have.

In that case it would be easier to spot them

Good grief, if everyone posting in this thread put as much effort in lengthy posts with this much forthought and detail in other sections of the forum everyone here would have 1000 merit.

Invite system will fail as there are scammers already in. They will keep inviting their alts.

Yes, i have seen him held up as an example a few times now.. he is doing very well merit wise, but lets be clear he is very much an outlier and an anomaly which no other low rank users are even close to matching. Him being held us as an example of what should be the norm is disingenuous as almost all will never match it. That being said he is doing very well, intentionally or unintentionally.

Yes, you practically can send 50 smerit to one person, but i saw lot's of people who were doing that got red trust mark right after that because such a generosity will immediately fall under the review!

the merit probably came from alt account people wont merit those type of post if they dont own the account or probably they are trading merit. you should report people abusing the system so they will get a negative trust and wont get accepted to campaigns.

That may be true. There's twitter to spam wide and large. And facebook. That place is a huge advertisement banner.

But I know that now I'm stuck at senior member. I won't get merit because it's held like Gollum holds the One.
You may say I will get merit if I post quality text.
Except for the fact there is a lot of shitposts everywhere with a lot of merit.

And as far as I can see, only high ranked people are enthusiastic about this merit. I wonder why.

If the problem was the shitposters why not act on that? Peraphs closing the forum to new users, banning all the shitposters? And then adding an invite system maybe? Or something else?

how much maximum merit you can send to other people is it possible to send all of the your merit available to a single person.

You have to spend merits on posts of others only. What will anyone achieve by keeping it in the account ?

I can review and read of terms and conditions of new terms for getting activity usually on rank to making join and part of campaign,I can see and read that have called farming account and spammers and merit system is usefull to stop this huge of people doing this shitspost or rush post resulting spam to get acrivity count.Like me as of being member i dont have a choice instead to being follow this greatly updating from theymos for safest of all refined.

I don't understand why I need 100 to rank up. I need 90. 90!! How?? Yes write high-quality posts I hear you but if noone reads your post then nothing happens and your good quality post gets buried among the rest in a busy thread like this one for example.

What if only members like me read your good quality post? We cannot give any merits, simply put there just are not enough merits to give people to rank up.

There should be a rule where you have to spend your merit points on other people's posts. Otherwise this just won't work.

Who the hell welcomed you this thread with your logic?

+6 sM loaned to you, now go away.