Topic: Merit & new rank requirements - page 233. (Read 167717 times)

This is such a good line that I had to quote it so that it becomes also part of my posting history
And BTW this formula is true for me also in so many other fields of my life... - LoBL (Lots of Bitter Laughts)

The merit system is a promising idea.  But it will only work if we develop a strong cultural expectation that merit will only be awarded for meritorious posts.  Requests for merit must be declared extreme rudeness, a forum faux pas.  Such a thing is fit only for social opprobrium, derision, sneers, and shunning.

In most cultures, fishing for compliments is viewed as something between boorish and unthinkable.  Asking for merit is worse, because it may accrue monetary value due to signature campaigns.  It is like begging a professor for a top grade, instead of doing work worthy of earning a top grade.

By contrast, those who have something worthwhile to say will take pride in earning merit the normal way:  By making posts which others find valuable.  Whereas those who have nothing worthwhile to say, as such have nothing to add to the forum.

For my part:  Nobody who ever asks me for merit will ever get any from me—period.

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P.S., all the whiners complaining about the merit system ipso facto thus demonstrate that they are incapable of writing meritorious posts, and therefore worthless to the forum.  Make good posts, and people will notice.  Or shut up.

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Edit:  Added the paragraph about people taking pride in earning merit the normal way.

I think that you are going a bit much in your criticism; however, I do think that a fair and repeated point that comes out in your post is that some kind of initial distribution of merit based on activity level or even prorata would have been a bite even-handed.  But even given the validity of such criticism and the merit of such proposal to possibly fix the initial distribution of merit in the forum, I doubt that any of this goes so far as to reasonably imply that Theymos or any administrator or even any high ranking member would intentionally change the system in order to exacerbate unfairness, as you seem to be suggesting such kinds of bad faith.

Here's a thought. Wouldn't a quality post stick out in a shit thread more so than in a quality thread, thus upping the odds for a less-than-quality poster on up to earn coveted +1 sM, in those cases garnering sM from shitty posters not operating on full thrusters or worst --> their [cranial] core breach is imminent.


Excellent suggestion, bud!!! Hey, maybe Roger Ver could start a new forum where all the quality posters on this forum could flock to. Hell, Roger already owns bitcoin.com so I would suggest that the URL of the proposed forum could be https://forum.bitcoin.com/. What's your thoughts on that, coinsniperX?

Meanwhile, I'm just gonna leave this here:

I see theymoss didn't even give any chance for members who was waiting rank change today)) I think it's strange, all member are good for forum, not only hero. And if you implemented your new system so suddenly you should give at least another one rank change by old rules, I think would be fair. And It's not a secret that no-one likes this new system except members with highest rank, who don't care about it) And I don't care too. But it may be that very soon we will have "fork" of this forum with more fair rules and all people and startups will move there. Really don't understand you theymoss.

Why do you think it would be necessary to go "hunting for threads" to get merit?

Looks like even most vocal complainers are receiving merit points so you would probably have to hunt for particularly shitty threads if you wanted to NOT get merit.

I've given my opinion on this in 2 or 3 posts on this thread already.

But I'll also add that when an admin is coming up with rules that can cause such a paradigm shift they need to strike a balance so as not to negatively affect the genuine users of the forum. This new system actually shows the dictator styled leadership of the forum.

Anyone who respects a forum should have common sense enough to post standard quality posts without being told, even if there's no reward system in place. In this case the post counts and activities just serve as incentives to participate and contribute meaningfully to this forum.

Many users here are too damn lazy to do research, go through websites, read whitepapers, check out roadmaps and learn about whatever they are commenting about before hitting their keyboards.

Instead of opening room for more moderators and finding a way to reward them to encourage them to keep this forum clean, instead we have his new shit system stuffed down our throats.

Well...I refuse to chew or swallow it.

I'd rather stay stuck on Member for life if the forum refuses to reverse the system, than go out of my way hunting for threads I think I can benefit smerits from by so called 'quality posts'.

Long live BitCoinTalk!!!

I'm so sorry for late giving out my opinion, Shouldn't a New Member self-proclaimed their good quality of post to be merited by someone, rather than jumping across the forum back to back to get some merit? Like linking their posts history to accumulate some merit point by somewhere thread, local.

I couldn't afford to waste my time reading the entire 98 page and read those 1957 posts, and if by somehow this question already been answered link me there you could be my time saver. anywhere any thread that you know this question is been answered.

has there been any list prepared about the sources as of yet?

In my eyes  , unless I've been drinking  , that's an excellent post  , hence rewarding +1 sM. 

On a side note, albeit related to this thread, who was the wiseguy mod who deleted my post here depicting some random S&M dude?  Obviously, whoever it was has no idea as to how much effort went into that though-provocative post. 

PS: This post doesn't deserve any sM so don't even think about reward me one or several or any amount in between, but if you do outta spite, this --> 

Your sentiment is correct that he may have had good intentions... hahahhahaha... but probably not.. I know you did not use the words "probably not", but anyhow, at least you seem to see that potential side of the situation.

Generally, I like to give folks the benefit of the doubt (whether it is in this forum or in real life or otherwise), especially when there is some ambiguity., but sometimes it can be quite difficult to give any benefit of the doubt when nearly brand new accounts in this forum are seeming to expect a reward for something and they have not done anything (maybe they are amazing persons in real life, but from their activity there might be no way for us to know that) or they post in such a way that doesn't appear to have made any efforts to either clarify their point(s) or to research a bit into the matter that they are presenting or to provide an adequate context in order that the reader (or responder) does not have to research the matter in order to understand.

merit system is very popular in this forum
everybody competes to make tread with good quality to get merit (not if it is a bad thing / good) especially rank jr.member, you can see in Sub Meta all discuss and make merit reviews

And with the merit system future life as well...

I think he means that he still doesn't understand the system as he clearly doesn't understand that time is still a factor.  Activity level is determined by time/posts.  Merit is up to others to give you merit.

However, maybe he was just asking for merit 

What are you asking for? merit? You registered less than two weeks ago, and you have two post.  The one above, and another post in which you comment in a bitcoin bubble thread.

Why don't you go out into the forum and involve yourself in various substantive Bitcoin (or crypto) topics that are interesting to you, and if you have meaningful contributions to any of the threads that you read, then you will likely earn merits in the coming months.  

If you are merely asking for merits, without any kind of substance to your post, and you think that is the way to go forward, you seem to have the wrong mindset.



Edit:      Three hours after my original post, I clicked on the above-linked post, and I see that GumboTrader deleted it.  I think that this is another sign of "issues" because I had already quoted the post (and another member did too).  Anyhow, when we are relatively new to the forum, we are going to make mistakes.  That is almost a given, and even I make mistakes (some BIGGER than others). 

Personally, I think that it is better NOT to compound mistakes such as deleting posts that have been already quoted because it is likely better to leave the mistakes or respond to the mistake or to edit the mistake rather than to delete the whole post.. but maybe that is just me?    We know that in this forum, members do have the power to delete their earlier posts, and they can exercise their deletion discretion as they wish.

And current life

For such requests you can get a ban. Forum rules, buddy 

I'm glad the merit system is here, it was long overdue. Over last few months I was getting engaged in a countless number of conversations where people with Sr. member up to Hero member tags had absolutely no idea what on earth they were talking about - and none of these conversations were highly technical, usual discussions of card settings, profitable coin search, PoS stacking setup etc, all the usual. It kept me wondering how did these guys actually manage to obtain their ranks.

^ this
Giving merit to someone helping you is not a problem, it's as the system was intended.
When you use a promise of merit to try making your topic more attractive, things start to become problematic, however.

Am pretty sure you can Merit someone for helping you with public information. You just can't say beforehand "will give out 50 merit if someone can help me" etc.