I have a simple though regarding merit in a friendly approach I could say if you don't like merit then go away.
One of the main reasons for introducing merit, was to get rid of posts in broken english. Now, go away please.
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One of the main reasons for introducing merit, was to get rid of posts in broken english. Now, go away please.
I have a simple though regarding merit in a friendly approach I could say if you don't like merit then go away.
I think signature campaign will also change its rules somehow to align with the merit system and the campaign manager will become more strict about the posts of each participants so i guess if everyone sticks still into what they have been doing the same all the time it might cost them to lose in participation or even receive negative trust.
Well it's up them anyways whether to get stuck in their place or advance and get more of what they can have. But we cannot be sure if this will happen forever. The admins are doing their job in maintaining this forum and the rules and system are changing now. Maybe sooner or later that kind of behavior would lead such member to their downfall here in forum.
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Current Merit system makes only ranking growth hard, it won't affect to total number of posts and quality will be more or less the same as soon as everyone will see that Merits are hard to obtain anyways.
Well it's up them anyways whether to get stuck in their place or advance and get more of what they can have. But we cannot be sure if this will happen forever. The admins are doing their job in maintaining this forum and the rules and system are changing now. Maybe sooner or later that kind of behavior would lead such member to their downfall here in forum.
My own opinion that Merit system won't solve fundamental problem of too many empty posts. Everyone will continue to post the same number of posts, as signature campaigns remain, the only effect that many won't increase their rank and that is.
The only solution to clean the forum is to make some kind of auto moderation, everyone could give positive/negative points to a post. If post has many negative points it gets auto deleted. The other possibility that users with many negative points can't post for some time (like it is already done for new account till you make at least 30 posts).
Current Merit system makes only ranking growth hard, it won't affect to total number of posts and quality will be more or less the same as soon as everyone will see that Merits are hard to obtain anyways.
The only solution to clean the forum is to make some kind of auto moderation, everyone could give positive/negative points to a post. If post has many negative points it gets auto deleted. The other possibility that users with many negative points can't post for some time (like it is already done for new account till you make at least 30 posts).
Current Merit system makes only ranking growth hard, it won't affect to total number of posts and quality will be more or less the same as soon as everyone will see that Merits are hard to obtain anyways.
Everyone surprise about the merit system,they implement it to each member to improved their post in the forum.To avoid spammers and shitposting that the member only want to earn and dont care about how they can help in bitcointalk.Merit system encourage me to learn more and study to make a constructive and ideal post.
Yes and that is the main purpose of this new merit system to make all members will post more constructive. So far i see the effectiveness of merit it will lessen the shit post and spammers, most of the members are now trying to do their best and put a lot of effort to create quality post. That's what admin should consider carefully on how to keep merit system's positive effects last as long as possible. Merit system is good and might be god, but it need to adjust over time to keep it's spamming-controled effects
Everyone surprise about the merit system,they implement it to each member to improved their post in the forum.To avoid spammers and shitposting that the member only want to earn and dont care about how they can help in bitcointalk.Merit system encourage me to learn more and study to make a constructive and ideal post.
Yes and that is the main purpose of this new merit system to make all members will post more constructive. So far i see the effectiveness of merit it will lessen the shit post and spammers, most of the members are now trying to do their best and put a lot of effort to create quality post. One Week Later:
- Merit broke my life
- Merit - right to consensus
- Members Need to be Better Informed About Merit
- Merit donation thread
- How to get merit points for free!
- Merit!!!
- Can someone explain why this post is worth 96 merits
- 'Merit' System is a SLAP to the term 'Decentralisation'
You forgot some more threads:
1) Why merit is good for this forum
2) Junior member will be benefited most with the merit system
3) Merit is the best thing that happened to the forum
All those posts repeating same thing just for some merits.
Everyone surprise about the merit system,they implement it to each member to improved their post in the forum.To avoid spammers and shitposting that the member only want to earn and dont care about how they can help in bitcointalk.Merit system encourage me to learn more and study to make a constructive and ideal post.
I know it's a bit quick to draw any conclusions. However, in the altcoin section where I reside the most, next to no merit is being given or recieved. Is it the same picture in other sections? And if so, how do we raise more awareness about it?
Simple suggestion for you. For now, post in sections which are getting most merits. We will see this being distributed evenly in all sections with time.
I know it's a bit quick to draw any conclusions. However, in the altcoin section where I reside the most, next to no merit is being given or recieved. Is it the same picture in other sections? And if so, how do we raise more awareness about it?
I think we are all still in the development stage, so everything that exists today is still very possible to change. For me the merit system has provided a significant change, now we can see a much better forum and the spammers have been reduced so it is clearly visible benefits. Without reducing the sense of trust then I am optimistic that the future merit system can give a much better impact.
I think current Merit implementation is not ideal, it doesn't solve the main problem - unquality posts, people can still write tons of non relevant posts.
May be admins could consider changing a logic of Merit points tuning them to kind of Karma points (or whatever you can call it).
The main idea you can give/recieve both negative and positive points.
Ability to make new post would depend on these Karma points. For writing a shit post user could recieve a negative Karma, that would influence the frequency of submiting a new post. For good post there could be given a positive Karma thus raising the possible post number/frequency. That would stop shit posting very effectively as you simple can't post for example more than once a day with negative Karma.
Every user would be given by a system once a week X number of Karma points, thus even if you have slightly negative balance over the time you can still post.
May be admins could consider changing a logic of Merit points tuning them to kind of Karma points (or whatever you can call it).
The main idea you can give/recieve both negative and positive points.
Ability to make new post would depend on these Karma points. For writing a shit post user could recieve a negative Karma, that would influence the frequency of submiting a new post. For good post there could be given a positive Karma thus raising the possible post number/frequency. That would stop shit posting very effectively as you simple can't post for example more than once a day with negative Karma.
Every user would be given by a system once a week X number of Karma points, thus even if you have slightly negative balance over the time you can still post.
And exactly how would you avoid people giving bad karma just because they disagree with something? Karma would be an even bigger popularity contest than merit. However, I do agree that the system as it is now is not ideal.
I think current Merit implementation is not ideal, it doesn't solve the main problem - unquality posts, people can still write tons of non relevant posts.
May be admins could consider changing a logic of Merit points tuning them to kind of Karma points (or whatever you can call it).
The main idea you can give/recieve both negative and positive points.
Ability to make new post would depend on these Karma points. For writing a shit post user could recieve a negative Karma, that would influence the frequency of submiting a new post. For good post there could be given a positive Karma thus raising the possible post number/frequency. That would stop shit posting very effectively as you simple can't post for example more than once a day with negative Karma.
Every user would be given by a system once a week X number of Karma points, thus even if you have slightly negative balance over the time you can still post.
May be admins could consider changing a logic of Merit points tuning them to kind of Karma points (or whatever you can call it).
The main idea you can give/recieve both negative and positive points.
Ability to make new post would depend on these Karma points. For writing a shit post user could recieve a negative Karma, that would influence the frequency of submiting a new post. For good post there could be given a positive Karma thus raising the possible post number/frequency. That would stop shit posting very effectively as you simple can't post for example more than once a day with negative Karma.
Every user would be given by a system once a week X number of Karma points, thus even if you have slightly negative balance over the time you can still post.
Once the hundreds of thousands of shitposters finally leave the forum, it will be so much easier to identify and award a good post - won't be digging through as much garbage.
I doubt that will ever stop. When a forum gets to the size this one is, it becomes almost impossible to stop people from shitposting unless there is heavy moderation and posts do not go live until they have been reviewed by an admin. I have seen so many useless posts even from hero members on this forum all because they are trying to get the post count up for thier sig campaigns Yep I know I will be hated on for saying this but sadly its the truth.
I know it's a bit quick to draw any conclusions. However, in the altcoin section where I reside the most, next to no merit is being given or recieved. Is it the same picture in other sections? And if so, how do we raise more awareness about it?
That's because most posts made over there are all trash. Where are the trolls of old? At least those guys were trying to make a real debate about important matters in crypto. These days it's all just mindless posts from 6th graders. Some of them don't even speak (or type) English well.
I think most people, especially the ones who have been around for some time, pretty much agree that the altcoin section has turned from bad to shit. However, what we cannot ignore is that cryptocurrencies solving real life problems are altcoins. Cryptocurrencies going mainstream and thereby increasing the value of all our investments, will be projects solving real life problems. Decentralization is awesome, but it does not solve poverty nor any other life threatening problems. It is just more... handy.. to keep your privacy, and to move the power from banks to the individual.
Altcoins have a 65% market domination in terms of value, and this number is likely to get even bigger. The altcoin section on BTC needs to reflect this truth. It doesn't by someone (not you) suggesting to go to another subforum for merits. The action needs to happen where it's relevant.
There are tons of unsorted threads and posts in the Altcoin Section, as a regular member, it's a waste of time just to find a quality post there.
[r] What we need are Merit Sources that are designated to grant merits to those boards (one who can withstand reading shitposts).
People will read topics in the boards and threads that they have interest, chances that any constructive or helpful reply that was posted in an uninteresting thread to receive a merit is low because most of the replies there are most likely posted by non-readers.
Members with sMerits will have to read a bunch of nonsense just to find a good post. [repeat r]
Meanwhile, In the Meta Board:
Before Merit:
One Week Later:
[r] What we need are Merit Sources that are designated to grant merits to those boards (one who can withstand reading shitposts).
People will read topics in the boards and threads that they have interest, chances that any constructive or helpful reply that was posted in an uninteresting thread to receive a merit is low because most of the replies there are most likely posted by non-readers.
Members with sMerits will have to read a bunch of nonsense just to find a good post. [repeat r]
Meanwhile, In the Meta Board:
Before Merit:
- [SMAS] Signature Managers against Spam (light version)
- Stake your Bitcoin address here
- Hacked my account
- SR. ACCOUNT LOCKED..PLEASE HELP ME
- TIL Activity does not work on precisely 2 week intervals + interval timings
- Forum ranks/positions/badges (What do those shiny coins under my name mean?)
One Week Later:
- Merit broke my life
- Merit - right to consensus
- Members Need to be Better Informed About Merit
- Merit donation thread
- How to get merit points for free!
- Merit!!!
- Can someone explain why this post is worth 96 merits
- 'Merit' System is a SLAP to the term 'Decentralisation'
Yeah, i mentioned somewhere else about the fact that merit has actually done the exact reverse of what it was supposed to do.(It has created more spam). And all 'Quality' posts have been shoved from the top spots...go figure..
There are tons of unsorted threads and posts in the Altcoin Section, as a regular member, it's a waste of time just to find a quality post there.
[r] What we need are Merit Sources that are designated to grant merits to those boards (one who can withstand reading shitposts).
People will read topics in the boards and threads that they have interest, chances that any constructive or helpful reply that was posted in an uninteresting thread to receive a merit is low because most of the replies there are most likely posted by non-readers.
Members with sMerits will have to read a bunch of nonsense just to find a good post. [repeat r]
Meanwhile, In the Meta Board:
Before Merit:
One Week Later:
[r] What we need are Merit Sources that are designated to grant merits to those boards (one who can withstand reading shitposts).
People will read topics in the boards and threads that they have interest, chances that any constructive or helpful reply that was posted in an uninteresting thread to receive a merit is low because most of the replies there are most likely posted by non-readers.
Members with sMerits will have to read a bunch of nonsense just to find a good post. [repeat r]
Meanwhile, In the Meta Board:
Before Merit:
- [SMAS] Signature Managers against Spam (light version)
- Stake your Bitcoin address here
- Hacked my account
- SR. ACCOUNT LOCKED..PLEASE HELP ME
- TIL Activity does not work on precisely 2 week intervals + interval timings
- Forum ranks/positions/badges (What do those shiny coins under my name mean?)
One Week Later:
- Merit broke my life
- Merit - right to consensus
- Members Need to be Better Informed About Merit
- Merit donation thread
- How to get merit points for free!
- Merit!!!
- Can someone explain why this post is worth 96 merits
- 'Merit' System is a SLAP to the term 'Decentralisation'
I know it's a bit quick to draw any conclusions. However, in the altcoin section where I reside the most, next to no merit is being given or recieved. Is it the same picture in other sections? And if so, how do we raise more awareness about it?
That's because most posts made over there are all trash. Where are the trolls of old? At least those guys were trying to make a real debate about important matters in crypto. These days it's all just mindless posts from 6th graders. Some of them don't even speak (or type) English well.
I am a thread surfer and I see that there is no matter in any concrete board for Merit, the point is in comments. But as I red in some merit discussion threads this Merits have giving "on leg and right", I mean no matter of the post's quality in some cases. On local boards already appeared suggestions about merit selling and I suppose in sooner time it will become a mainstream like with likes on FB or other social networks when someone asks "please, merit my post 
".
This new merit system becomes a subject for abuse by some members and its a sad thing to note knowing that there are decent posters who are striving everyday to produce quality posts just to get merited. Yet this abusers were making a business out of it. Anyway, this scenario is common in all aspect of life. ".I will encourage you to explore the forum. Join discussions in other sections of the forum and not restrict yourself to altcoins only. How then can you tell people about bitcointalk.org if you are only in altcoins?
How can you convince folks to do that when i have seen Hero/Legndary members say 'Altcoins aint my thing' ?
How long has it been since they have contributed a 'quality' post in those forums?
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It also seems to me that hardly any merit is given to less senior members, at least I haven’t received any. I really try not spam with my posts and to give well reasoned opinions in the best English that I am capable of. However, it seems that none of this is helping when it comes to gaining merit. I feel that this is a system that discriminates against new users as they will have to fight for the attention of senior users that can award you with merit. Of course, I do understand that the forum needs some form of protection against spam, but I am not sure if this is the best solution.
I liked this post of yours
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.29295744
and I gave you a merit for it. It's a shame that the Frog Pond swamps sensible posts like this.
I am a thread surfer and I see that there is no matter in any concrete board for Merit, the point is in comments. But as I red in some merit discussion threads this Merits have giving "on leg and right", I mean no matter of the post's quality in some cases. On local boards already appeared suggestions about merit selling and I suppose in sooner time it will become a mainstream like with likes on FB or other social networks when someone asks "please, merit my post ".
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My simple look about Merit, it is a beautiful thing for Legend, Hero member and Mod because Merit make them more powerful, and Merit is a nightmare for Member and lower rank because it's really hard now now to reach level up.
The altcoin section, from what I've seen, has some of the most degenerate shitposters known to man--very close to the gambling section, and I'm not sure who'd take home the trophy if they wrestled.
There are good posts in the Altcoin section, but they're very hard to find amongst millions of useless posts.I've merited at least three.
Once the hundreds of thousands of shitposters finally leave the forum, it will be so much easier to identify and award a good post - won't be digging through as much garbage.
There will be no reason for them to be here before too long, if they can’t rank up then no signature campaign & subsequent pay for them, I presume they’ll leave then.
(I’m aware that I’m in a sig campaign but pretty sure my post quality is half decent).
It also seems to me that hardly any merit is given to less senior members, at least I haven’t received any. I really try not spam with my posts and to give well reasoned opinions in the best English that I am capable of. However, it seems that none of this is helping when it comes to gaining merit. I feel that this is a system that discriminates against new users as they will have to fight for the attention of senior users that can award you with merit. Of course, I do understand that the forum needs some form of protection against spam, but I am not sure if this is the best solution.
The altcoin section, from what I've seen, has some of the most degenerate shitposters known to man--very close to the gambling section, and I'm not sure who'd take home the trophy if they wrestled.
This is precisely why you need to enforce the Merit system there. Rewarding quality posters and commenters would force users to improve their writing quality and make the Altcoin section less of a "shitposting" space .
Members can be seen trying to improve their posts hoping that they can receive merit. A day after merit system's debut, everyone reacted accordingly, there are people who supported the system and of course there are people who oppose it. Everyone are discussing about the system and some are even making infographics. Merits we're thrown left and right. Few days past people tried to find a loophole to gain merits (trading merits, buying accounts, etc.). And posts are getting redundant, merits are still being circulated. Almost a week has passed and almost all the merits are being gifted to [ANN] threads. I don't think if anyone's feeling this but, receiving merit is getting harder day by day. I don't see this as a negative thing. Instead, i see this as a challenge to improve my self as well as the forum and that everyone needs to accept it.
Once the hundreds of thousands of shitposters finally leave the forum, it will be so much easier to identify and award a good post - won't be digging through as much garbage.
Precisely my observation as well
Had posted about this a couple of days back. There seems to be an asymmetry. May be due to the fact that there's heavy post flooding over there and quality posts often get lost in the crowd.
Well, I guess the best option is to stay active in sub-forums such as this one.
Had posted about this a couple of days back. There seems to be an asymmetry. May be due to the fact that there's heavy post flooding over there and quality posts often get lost in the crowd.
Well, I guess the best option is to stay active in sub-forums such as this one.
Is it the same picture in other sections? And if so, how do we raise more awareness about it?
If you posted threads like these in other boards you'd start to raise more awareness about the merit system. You should start a thread that lists merit-worthy posts or threads so people can start spending and others can begin receiving. Of course the threads you highlight need to be more than ICO announcement threads, all of those are rubbish!
If you want your sub-community to get involved, you should ask them to get involved!
My merits have been earned in the original Merit thread in the Meta forum. Those are a fraction of my posts, and still count for 100% of merits recieved.,
It's ironic that the commencement of the merit system has created more spam in the Meta board from people talking endlessly, and repeatedly about merit. But good on you for getting something out of it.
Merit system is a really good system to encourage people to do meaningful discussion within the community.
We should be discussing the pros and cons of projects we are supporting instead of too much shilling and fud.
Would love to have some of those merits from you guys! 
Have not gotten any yet.
Well, keep trying.We should be discussing the pros and cons of projects we are supporting instead of too much shilling and fud.
Would love to have some of those merits from you guys! Have not gotten any yet.
The altcoin section, from what I've seen, has some of the most degenerate shitposters known to man--very close to the gambling section, and I'm not sure who'd take home the trophy if they wrestled.
I still don't know why merit points can't be earned naturally in the local boards, where many users have much, much greater proficiency with whatever language their board uses. If your vocabulary and knowledge of how to use English is seriously limited, you're going to have a very difficult time getting people to sprinkle some merit points on your posts. Best to write some pure gold in a language that you know.
Having said that, I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of users are just plain dumb in any language. And lazy, too.
I know it's a bit quick to draw any conclusions. However, in the altcoin section where I reside the most, next to no merit is being given or recieved. Is it the same picture in other sections? And if so, how do we raise more awareness about it?
Geez - in just a few days you have racked up over a dozen merit. What are you complaining about? :/
My merits have been earned in the original Merit thread in the Meta forum. Those are a fraction of my posts, and still count for 100% of merits recieved. I am grateful for the those recieved, and the intention of this thread is not to put focus on myself, but to put focus on the lack of merits given in general in the altcoin section. Not everyone is as fortunate, skilled, well hung and handsome as me.
Merit system is a really good system to encourage people to do meaningful discussion within the community.
We should be discussing the pros and cons of projects we are supporting instead of too much shilling and fud.
Would love to have some of those merits from you guys!
Have not gotten any yet.
We should be discussing the pros and cons of projects we are supporting instead of too much shilling and fud.
Would love to have some of those merits from you guys! Have not gotten any yet.
I know it's a bit quick to draw any conclusions. However, in the altcoin section where I reside the most, next to no merit is being given or recieved. Is it the same picture in other sections? And if so, how do we raise more awareness about it?
Geez - in just a few days you have racked up over a dozen merit. What are you complaining about? :/
I will encourage you to explore the forum. Join discussions in other sections of the forum and not restrict yourself to altcoins only. How then can you tell people about bitcointalk.org if you are only in altcoins?
Yeah, I think it has yet to percolate to the altcoin sections. Hopefully it does, but perhaps an upside to this slow start is the potential decrease of empty coin shilling.
I know it's a bit quick to draw any conclusions. However, in the altcoin section where I reside the most, next to no merit is being given or recieved. Is it the same picture in other sections? And if so, how do we raise more awareness about it?
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