Topic: Merit requirement should be proportional to activity (Read 704 times)

Your ideas look good, but it should be adjusted a little bit.
Something like this one, increasing merits required for each rank, higher than required merits at the beginning of merit system.
It means users have to earn at least 1, 2 or 3 merits by themselves from their constructive threads or from merit selling ( ) in order to maintain their ranks.
If they are unable to do this, they will be automatically demoted, like Junior Members in September this year.

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If the suggestion will be really implemented, we will definitely witness a massive wave of demotion from higher ranked users, from Full Members to Ledgendary.
We might see a shocking events in the forum, one of the biggest shocks since the start of bitcointalk forum, including the implementation of merit system, and this one (if occur).

That's a good idea.

Also offer:

Jr.member - 1 stake
Jr.member ( 5 earned merits) = Member = 2 stakes
Member ( 10+ earned merits) = Full member = 4 stakes
Full member ( 15+ earned merits) = Sr.member = 6 stakes
Sr.member ( 20+ earned merits ) = Hero member = 8 stakes
Hero ( 25+ earned merits) = Legendary = 10 stakes
Legendary ( 30+ earned merits) = 12 stakes

If you could know, a BM manager on this forum can face much problems like spamming as bounties board is on of the most spammed from all of them and most number of bots operate there. We have faced situations where people just ruined the campaign with multiple bots.

Still I like your suggestion about increasing the stakes earned to the members who have earn extra merits than airdropped once. As per your suggested distribution of stakes I have managed to put some figures in best proportion to each rank and merits earned.

This is the list of stakes to be awarded according to the earned merits.

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Jr.member - 1 stake

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Jr.member ( 5 earned merits)- 1.5 stakes

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Member- 2 stakes

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Member ( 10+ merits earned) - 3 stakes

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Full member- 4 stakes

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Full member ( 15+ earned merits) - 5 stakes

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Sr.member - 6 stakes

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Sr.member ( 20+ earned merits )- 7 stakes

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Hero member - 8 stakes

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Hero ( 25+ earned merits)- 10 stakes

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Legendary- 10 stakes

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Legendary ( 30+ earned merits) - 12 stakes

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Your suggestions in readjusting this stake rewards would surely be appreciated. I am trying to make the process more awarding for the deserved members also it will attract some high merited users to the campaigns.

Honestly, I haven't seen its equal enough, and maybe you passed this :

and that is mostly (or entirely) done by the newbie.

I've also seen a little change from some of the newbies by trying to make more goodquality posts spread in all sections of the board (although some were caught due to plagiarism from other sites or members). Meanwhile...

They are dominating altcoin ANN boards which only support posts for shitcoins and it won't change anything in this world.

This forum is so wide, and I don't see a lot of Members rank^ in every section of it.  Only full of newbie posts that some people think are boring.

That'd be great considering the amount of earned merit required should be proportional to the Rank applying for i.e.
100 for Legendary
70 for Hero
50 for Snr Member
30 for Full Member
20 for Member
10 for Jr. Member... Since that'd also be equivalent to x10 of no. of stakes most managers assign to each rank according to the OP.

Totally agree with this suggestion. It would level the playing ground for all members of this forum who want to participate in bounties at-least merit wise. Very many underlook certain ranks and think it's only Newbies and Jr. Members who do shitposting since they constitute the biggest number of those trying to do bounties, but honestly I have seen full Members and Senior Members who have never attained even a single merit since the system was put in place(all they have is Airdropped merit). All they post is only garbage to fulfill their weekly post count for signatures.

Maybe the top forum admins would just make it a rule that bounty managers must follow certain criteria when awarding stakes, those that don't do so shall be considered to encourage spamming and risk their bounty thread being deleted by mods if reported.

I think the idea is to require at least that much earned merit (not airdrop) to be able to wear a signature. I kinda like that. I'd make it a requirement per time period, e.g. 1 merit per 3 months or so, to further devalue farmed accounts.

So you want to distinguish between Merit based on the source it came from? I don't think that will ever happen: all Merit should be equal.

As much as I want to get enough merit to become Hero/Legendary, I disagree with this suggestion. This is the problem for bounty managers, not forum's staffs. If I'm not mistaken, @theymos did consider to separate rank and signature limitation. This separation might be a better solution since Legendary shitposters cannot get benefit from their legacy rank anymore.

I don't like the idea of further discrimination towards newbie and jr. member. Why? Because there are shitposters in every rank and you will drive away good newbies.

But you cannot deny they are bringing problem and where you read that forum rules do not allow to take part in bounty with multiple account?
It is just frowned. Do you have any idea that how much effort is required to caught all these abuser and all this is a voluntary work.

Instead I will say if it takes 25 merit to Jr.Member then instead of going back to spamming in first one and try to achieve 25 in second one look  stupids. It will be better for forum and user that user will try for next 25 Merit to become Member. In current situation many user are suspected that they  purchased
1 merit.



I am not sure what are the exact challenges BM faces in this forum but I can suggest you have stake tier based on merit like this .

1 stake for Jr. member but 1.5 stake for Jr.Member with more than 5 merits.
2 stake for Member but 3 stake for  Member who earned 10 Merits(means somebody become member by earning 10+ merit or  user who was already member at merit system implementation now having 20+ merit will have more stakes than other members)

You can go on creating this chart for all ranks.
BPIP tool can help you to understand that how much merit a user has earned and how much merit was airdropped to user when you click on user profile and you will see the chart of merit of that user that explain current and merit received. Current Merit - Merit received will give you the value of airdropped merit.






Closing your eyes  is also not going to help you. If you re allowing bounties here then you need to formulate rules for them too.



On top of it, Some got that one merit for whining . If you see B&H closely, Every week somebody open a whining/how to get merit thread. Unfortunately they get successful too in getting that one merit. 

Is it just my impression or the Merit system wasn't put in place to reward more stakes to bounty hunters with more merit?
Probably I'm missing something here...

The moment we change the rules to fit the bounty/airdrops/whatever we probably should simply close the shop.

It is still too early to judge the utility of the merit system, so it is wrong to modify it without a study of the consequences.
Perhaps making the upgrade harder, "especially for lower-ranks" makes the forum similar to sections such as Serious discussion.
The goal is not to prevent members from ranking-up but to encourage them to create more meaningful posts.
Adding solutions such as deMerit would be enough to solve that problem.

Yes plus, make it retroactive like the last time.
5-10 merits are the way to go.
Actually, if one jmember is banned it requires only1 merit to rank up again with a  new account. If we increase this level to 5 it will be harder to rank up abuse, buy/exchange merit and the spam will decrease.

In theory, yes, but we all know full well that most altcoin bounty campaigns will accept anyone - shit posters, plagiarizers, alt accounts, etc. The bounty managers do not care enough to check. Just like the bounty participants, they only care about being paid, and not at all about whether or not they make half the forum unusable in the process. Hell, some of the bounty managers enroll their own alts in their own bounty.



Again yes, but these bounties aren't usually the ones responsible for the majority of shitposting and spam.

Agreed,

I'm only wondering if one day the forum will apply like this:
need first 1 merit from others for Newbie to be Jr., wear the signature and post the image.
need first 1 merit from others for Member to wear the signature.
need first 2 merit from others for FM, Sr. to wear the signature.
need first 3 merit from others for Hero, Legend to wear the signature.

It does seem to undiscriminate against only newbies, fair and be spread evenly. And sorry, I don't doubt their our(Member rank & ^) quality one another. I just think this will give their our the opportunity for a while to prove that they we proper their our rank.


They won't do that if they remember that achieving their rank is very difficult.

I totally agree on this statement, it would be great if you suggest a better distribution of stakes for all ranks. I can apply it in some of my upcoming campings I guess.
Surely, the stakes are not maintained as per the difficulty of a level to reach as per merit requirements. And the same is applied by many bounties from a much long time.

This would only mean that the forum was meant for signature campaign which is absolutely wrong

Besides its illegal for an individual to enter a bounty with multiple account if caught would be penalized so that case is solved.

And if you check it the real bounties that pays in bitcoin accepts only high ranking members so there is a benefit to rise in your rank

And besides some individuals would focus on first getting the merits then after they must have gotten merit required to rise to there desired rank then then fall back to spamming just to match there activities to the rank.

Agreed. The move to require 1 merit was a long time coming - I suspect it will be several months more before he even considers a further change. The Meta board has been filled with requests for more moderators for months, with no sign of any progress.

I do think it's more likely he would increase the merit required to display a signature than he would decrease requirements for other ranks and remove half the airdropped merit though.

I am not sure whether theymos like to disable signature for Jr. Member or increase Merit requirement to 25 from 1 from Jr.Member.

so reducing Merit requirement for each rank is one of suggestion. Whether Merit requirement increase or decrease, it ratio of Activity vs Rank should be constant for all rank.

You beat me to it with that post. I agree, and would add the point that most new and junior members are unlikely to contribute and boost the image of the campaign product. I know there are exceptions, but in such cases, it won't take them long to become members. The need to acquire knowledge to become a member will benefit both the forum, and the signature sponsors.